arent we the little expert now... :-) i wouldnt speculate if i was you its a bit silly i cant remember what the track was but whatever track it was it was mine - and let me clarify i wrote it.. no one else was there... ah ben watkins might have been there no hold on a minute i wrote it with ben but he done fuck all... yeah thats right... then what happened is they nicked it and changed it all around im not saying they didnt give me a credit its just that i didnt give them permission to use it im gonna put something on the internet so i dont have to answer these stoopid things anymore toxygene rocks ???@£$%%!! clean your ears out mate hooo hooo the last bit im gonna have to answer on the web page because i cant be bothered to go into it.. regards __ kwis )) (( c[_] scuse the epenthesis ***************************** On 8 Dec 2004, at 19:16, Tim C wrote: And - I guess Weston wouldn't have had much to sue over since he did get credit! Apparently the song in question is "Montagne D'Or." LX: "Andy actually appears as a writer on 'Montagne D'Or,' but Kris couldn't get his head around the idea that it had derived from another track and that the other people involved should get a credit. In the end we gave him a writing credit, because he was in the studio when pedal-steel guitarist B.J. Cole was putting his licks down!" c) Toxygene rocks, along with pretty much every Orb track. If this really is the Thrash that was involved with the Orb, he should be proud to have been a part of it, as well as regret leaving "Baldy" and crew. However, project contribution that ended ten years ago does NOT give one license to be a brainless twat and expect to get away with it. "You can't throw me to the lions, I'm Charlton Heston!" - Lard