Ok ok now youre showing off.. Naww its logic audio I have been updating the system via the net Im now suspicious of the network capabilities And the other stuff it installs with osx Im thinking of reinstalling a bare bones osx And see if that does anything... This is completely new to me of course... Im gonna try the updated version of logic.... It is sucking today Yesterday it stayed on all day Part from three crashes Theres nothing in it really Logic / toast / cdxtract bout three plugins Its doing my head in I just went back to work on it Lasted ten minutes then fucked up again Very frustrating cos I was getting somewhere on the two tracks.. Just found the awesome vocal sample for the stones at last Bugga... -- )) (( c[_] bLiP www.justablip.co.uk (don't bother going there)