> or me to embrace.  I think you put it aptly, the Orblivion gigs sound very abrasive/choppy, almost like a war scene (not that I would know what that is like, never been in a war.)  The ups and downs, along with the sequencing and sample make for an almost chaotic setting.  That said, I still enjoy them very much - just believe they are a step down from the earlier gigs.  I don't find the Cydonia era material much different than the Orblivion.  Yes things flow a bit better but they are still somewhat choppy and noisy to me. 
 
 
Interesting perspective - I thought the Orblivion show I saw was kind of bland, though it did have the most elaborate visuals of the shows I saw by far.  Certainly not warlike (the Terrarvm show was much more like being shelled - though I too haven't actually done that!).  As I understand things, the earlier Orblivion shows were pretty album-like, with much better mutation later in the tour (the guy I got the Orbscure Trax CD from commented that versions on it are more like how they were when he saw the later-in-tour show).

Cydonia - I liked the ups and downs/choppiness.  I think your perspective would be different "if you'd been there" (and I mean _been_ there).

T