ugh ken you SUCK ASS so much... :-)) WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO TELL ANYONE WOMAN WHAT TO DO WITH HER BODY? who the fuck do you think you are ? you feel perfectly ok butting into peoples lives and destroying them ? does your conscience not at least whine slightly in the background listen harder ken.. have you heard of liberty ken ? i know its in short supply over there presently but try and remember what the founding fathers of your country commited genocide for.. by the way your first point was that you want to kill someone and your second point was you think someone else shouldnt be allowed to kill a foetus why is life so precious because it is not formed? but you dont mind killing a fully grown person who has had many years to be hammered down into the gutter by your system.... i have no idea what partial birth abortion means over there.. i can only cringe and guess but i think we should focus on how we can increase the intelligence and empathy of the human race by beating the living fuck out those right wing facists lets get an army together and burn them... oh shit im a facist now... BOLLOCKS lets all hold hands and drink coke a recent quote from some american guy friend about the invasion of Afghanistan heard by greg out in the US "i think they all deserve amusement parks and mcdonalds' there it is summed up in one line these people are so indoctrinated with their fake ass pseudo culture what a dismissive comment like swatting a fly again. they take the largest military machine in the world to a small defenceless country and blow the fuck out of it we are 'freeing' them terrorists ? how many terrorists can there be ? how many tents and rocks can you blow the fuck out of with state of the art equipment... and dont mention that of course apart from controlling the worlds greatest prize the economy doesnt suffer from the huge military expenditure they think that is what everyone wants because they are so happy in their ignorance... everyone must want a happy mindless country embroiled in a desperate fight for money wage slaves pushing an economy wheel round for an elite 5% and then going to the polls and voting them in again every time unaware of how they are getting shafted in their sleep.. i feel pity for them and there is nothing left to do but educate them on the facts my main problem though is with their foreign policy as far as im concerned they can imprison the whole god damn country and burn em then the whole country can turn gay and have an abortion.. what im worried about is other countries who are suffering as a result of this great glob of consumption hurtling ever faster and faster toward certain doom.. the left and the right are both sadly lacking... the main problem with them both is that they go along with the idea that one should vote for corporate mouthpieces there needs to be radical change to avoid climate problems and nuclear war atm... please do it guys! think about it... abortion and gay marriage arent the fucking issues the issues are out there in the world - what the US is doing... go look at israel palestine iraq and look a bit closer now lets discuss one of the most importants points - ISRAEL actually i should start on tony blair hes closer.... :-)) __ kwis )) (( c[_] scuse the epenthesis ***************************** On 10 Dec 2004, at 02:57, Ken Erxleben wrote: yup - i fully support the death penalty for the same reasons and many more and i'm 94.2% against abortion ......weeeee!!!!!! i believe in allowing abortions under certain circumstances....rape being the most obvs i also think that after a certain period you surely should not be allowed to no matter what partial birth abortion is SICK if any of you are ok with that you too have a truly sick mind hey now peeps! "what am i supposed to do about all of my blind spoon fed liberal whiny friends????" ;) touche well....the politics are surely off topic.....but in the months that i've been on this list - i've never seen it so lively lol! i'm biting my tongue now......i've already read SO much that i just can't get into when we're *working* on getting away from this topic lol!