Good discussion!
and i contend that no human being can tell, on a high end MP3.
I contend that you are wrong. Go to a high end stereo/speaker shop and bring in the same album in a compressed and uncompressed format. I guarantee the people working there (if their worth their salt) will be able to tell the difference. Same with vinyl and CD......people *can* tell the difference. The range of frequencies the you get with vinyl is greater than CD. Like I said before, I'm no sonic expert or I would throw in a bunch of numbers to prove this.....
<< I can absolutely tell the difference between vinyl and CD >>
because you have different playback devices. you are comparing apples to oranges and >saying, "This apple is the better orange."
I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at here? Playback? I'm talking about the wave form, not what it's played on.
ah, there's the rub: clean environment would mean comparable playback equipment. maybe i just need to buy a better MP3 player, then i can hear the limitations?
Hmmm...just train your ears to listen and you will hear the limitations. I don't own an mp3 player (well, I have winamp on my computer) so I'm not sure what the differences are between companies or if one company makes an mp3 player that sounds better than another. I'll admit that I've heard some pretty damn good mp3s...it makes me wish that I could get my hands on the original source all the more. Again, some people use and love mp3. It is great for storing large amounts of audio to carry around. It's convenient. However, I don't like lossy formats and try not to use them whenever possible. That's just me, though. It's my opinion... and you know the saying about opinions.... Just remember: "...it's important to understand that all MP3 files, no matter how well-encoded, have discarded some of the information that was stored in the original, uncompressed signal." quoted from: http://www.mp3-converter.com/mp3codec/lossiness.htm Got to google and type in lossy or lossless compression and do some reading. FWIW, nobody on my planet likes mp3s....... -matt _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1