i do a bit of cheap hosting, but it would depend on your needs. I'm running IIS and have email via argosoft's mail server pro, plus run a few sql services. I'd be curious what other hosting co's charge for that kind of thing. If you're just hosting a basic site, I'd be more than happy to put you up on my server for next to nothing (it would depend on what kind of services one would want.) and no open relays for me... as for that hacker guy, he gets whatever he deserves. i'm seriously doubting he's losing his job although I'd be interested in seeing any replies from him on that subject. I wouldn't feel the least bit bad about reporting what he did (or didn't do), hell he laid claim to it. see whatcha' get? Original Message ----------------------- You're right, guys... If you claim to be a hax0r, then prepared to be treated like one. Incidentally, I too host with Dreamhost. They are a fuckin' open relay. Spam just proliferates through the bastards. Anyone have any good alternatives for Dreamhost, who offer similarly priced and option-filled packages, but who don't fuckin' spam me to high heaven? I get 50 emails a day, over 30 of which are spam, unless someone pisses of Kris, then I get like 100 emails a day *giggle*