This is amazing... When I subscribed to an Orb mailing list, the last thing that I expected to encounter was a flame war started by healthcare disagreements, followed by a flame war directed at someone that was a MEMBER OF The Orb!!!! We all have something in common. Something inside of our collective brain is *different* than most people. What percentage of people in this world could listen to Orbvs Terrarvm and appreciate the beauty and complexity? Not too many. However, few people on this list could comprehend NOT appreciating an album of that caliber. The US may be divided by the red vs blue mentality, but this list should be able to realize that both red and blue are a part of the same spectrum. They may be opposite ends of the spectrum, but they are both an integral part of the whole. I began listening to The Orb in '95 (When Terrarvm was released). At that time it started out being a great CD for acid trips, but my appreciation for it has lasted long after my acid binges have ceased. When Tim mentioned that this album brought The Orb up to the standards of Zappa and Beethoven he made a good point. I listen to Zappa and Beethoven far more often than I listen to anything even remotely similar to The Orb, yet for some reason The Orb continues to be a permanent fixture on my playlists. Why? Because a great deal of time and effort went into the creation of every track, and it shows (on some tracks more than others, but...) The point of all this bull shit that I've been writing is that The Orb is a truly wonderful thing. The Orb has consisted of a handful of different people, each adding their own spice to the mix, and there is very little Orb material that I do not enjoy. Please, lets make this community a little less... competitive? argumentative? annoying? I'm not sure what needs to be done, but I know that the first step is to keep things on-topic. I understand that the healthcare thing was just someone that was looking for a little assistance/ammunition for an essay or something, but let this be an example of how a light-hearted off-topic post can ruin a community. Think about the poor suckers that are seeing this as their ONLY representation of this group. We are all adults, we are all intelligent, lets prove it with our actions. David