Actually, I've been on this list since before 2000, but remain in lurk mode a great deal. As for me I've seen the Orb put on well in excess of 10 shows starting in June 1990 and most recently on the Cydonia tour, and can safely say the last one i thought was phenomenal was at Glastonbury 1993. The best were the ones at Brixton Academy in the very early nineties, where Thrash was not only present, but also probably largely in charge. I just think that while Kris can be extremely antagonistic, the fact that he comes here ought to tell you something - perhaps he can be engaged. I cannot imagine another list where a crucial member of the band from their most creative period would remain a persistentlyuntapped resource. No, I'm not a thrash groupie, and I don't want to antagonise this board, but I just find it all a bit odd.