First of all I find it very odd to be getting a lecture on sensitivity from you of all people. I almost feel honored to have offended you so. It was definitely tasteless, but I’ve always been an equal opportunity offender. Kind of like the Affirmative Action of dark humor and insults… I hate being politically correct… Why is it ok make jokes at one persons expense and not another? It wouldn’t have mattered what side she was on to me. I believe in her cause, but not her idealistic naiveté. I only hope that her death serves a purpose. The US State Department is currently investigating her death and they aren’t accepting that it was an “accident”. That’s a start. The whole thing was captured on film. If they can’t prosecute with that smoking gun then all is truly lost. My dark humor is about the only way I can handle this fucked up world we live in. Maybe I’m too cynical but, I’ve come to the conclusion that people basically enjoy killing each other. It’s been that way since the beginning of time. People don’t like each other because the worship the wrong god, have the wrong color skin, are too poor, too wealthy, drive SUVs and eat hamburgers… Peaceful leaders might as well paint a target on their head. Jesus, Gandhi, MLK… I don’t like it, but there’s not much I can do than keep myself informed from all angles and be politically active. I’m definitely not going to become a human shield so some sadistic bastard can run me over with a bulldozer. It’s sad, but I don’t think it will ever change. As far as the America goes it really sickens me to see how fat and ignorant so many of us are. When I was in Paris a few months ago I couldn’t believe how thin everyone was. I could have almost counted the overweight people on hand and I was there for a week riding the subway and walking several miles a day. The only real exception was the tourists that I saw. I can’t say the same for London, but it was still better than what I see at local mall in the states. It’s gotten so bad in the US that almost every grocery store and mall has a complimentary motorized “handi-cart” which far too often is not occupied by some who really needs it. Rather, it’s someone who’s created a self inflicted handicap by eating their way to morbid obesity. Most people I encounter know more about who’s banging who on their favorite sitcom than they do with regard to what’s going on in the world. You can barely carry on a decent conversation without focusing on pop culture. However I will make no apology for buying cheap gas and eating hamburgers. That’s just the way it is here and if I lived elsewhere I’d have to adapt to whatever was available. I can handle some expensive gas with a side of fish & chips too. "There is no greater joy than soaring high on the wings of your dreams, except maybe the joy of watching a dreamer who has nowhere to land but in the ocean of reality." DONALD D GAGEN MAILTO:DGAGEN@ENSEMBLESTUDIOS.COM ENSEMBLE STUDIOS http://www.ensemblestudios.com -----Original Message----- From: doh [OT] [mailto:thrash@btclick.com] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 12:54 PM To: 'What were the skies like when you were young?' Subject: RE: [Orb] Re: OUTRAGE OVER PALESTINIAN SITUATION WHAT????? what kind of mindless, ignorant , insensitive cow shit is that? (ERR FORGET THOSE POSTS AFTER THE BEERS) Oh, you’re not American by any chance are you? Oh yes – you don’t give a fuck about the world You’ve proven that already No need to rub it in my friend That’ shit makes me so mad If I saw you now I would schlap you Don’t ever EVER fucking make a joke like that When someone who wanted nothing but peace With a true genuine heart got killed for FUCK ALL By a bunch of thugs But YEAH ITS FUCKING OK COS YOU GOT YER FUCKING HAMBURGERS AND NOW THE OIL PRICES HAVE GONE DOWN I CAN GET FROM FUCKMING NEW YORK TO FLORIDA IN MY FUCKING SMV FOUR WHEEL BULLSHITTHA THAT GUZZLES DOWN NEW OIL LIMITS RAISED (!) BY MR BUSH (POSSIBLY IN TIME FOR IRAQ INVASION??) YEAH CONSUME BUY DIE SING IT TO THE GRAVE CONSUME BUY DIE WE SHALL NOT PAY ATTENTION CONSUME BUY DIE [!-JטStäbŁîP-!] 28 Tooting High Street, London, SW17 9PB United KIngdom Tel: +44 (0)208 682 4545 Mobile: +44 7985 680 544 Web: www.justablip.co.uk <http://www.justablip.co.uk> Maybe you could take a grass roots approach and try something like standing in front of a bulldozer. Wait... Bad idea... "There is no greater joy than soaring high on the wings of your dreams, except maybe the joy of watching a dreamer who has nowhere to land but in the ocean of reality." DONALD D GAGEN MAILTO:DGAGEN@ENSEMBLESTUDIOS.COM <MAILTO:DGAGEN@ENSEMBLESTUDIOS.COM> ENSEMBLE STUDIOS http://www.ensemblestudios.com <http://www.ensemblestudios.com> -----Original Message----- From: Bbbrooo@aol.com [mailto:Bbbrooo@aol.com <mailto:Bbbrooo@aol.com> ] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 12:22 PM To: orb@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Orb] Re: OUTRAGE OVER PALESTINIAN SITUATION ......Party political speech for the Peace in the Middle East (remix) Party, Maybe I'm naive but I believe that that the main hope for relative world peace is for the US (and the very Great Britain) to actively take control of the Israeli/Palestinian Peace Talks. Then take some UNBIASED forceful action (No, not invade, but sanctions, grants, support, etc), but what I am asking is how do we get our governments to do this? Anyone? 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