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11 Nov '02

I get this list through Digest so I don't sit here tracking it's progress all day. But I have picked up on some strangeness toward Trash. Now considering he is a founding member of the Orb I don't think anyone can deny him his opportunity to communicate with fans of his music even if he isn't still in the band. I am of the opinion that he is an integral part of the list and would be sorely missed for his witty and intelligent input. I'd like to think that I am not sharing a list with people who are 365days of the years thinking about the ORB in some sort of cocoon of self righteousness and self belief that denies un-selfish input. You know who you are, so stop asking for people to leave the list and just BE NICE. am I bad? BC23

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copyleft
by Alan Evil 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

As a collage artist myself I extend an open invitation to anyone to remix anything I've ever recorded. I've had several people I didn't know remix my stuff and I just think it's so cool to hear something based on my tracks that is nothing like what I recorded. I recorded a fairly traditional samba called "Skin Like Honey" (http://artists.mp3s.com/artist_song/875/875919.html) and it was remixed by a hip hop guy named SouL, my live synth extravaganza "Mania" was twisted up by Highdropod, and an even better example of complete twist up is my singer/songwriter song "Fix of You" (http://artists.mp3s.com/artist_song/671/671469.html) that was remixed by Mumra (http://artists.mp3s.com/artist_song/763/763858.html) into a dark trip hop piece. All great fun. Anyway, if you hear any of my stuff* and want to slice and dice it, I'll gladly send you the raw tracks for your mutalating pleasure. The only thing I ask is that you credit me as the artist being remixed. It would be nice if you'd slip me some money if you make any but I'll just take the exposure if you're a cheap bastard. ;) I understand that some artists get their panties in a wad when their albums are sampled but there are also artists that get upset when someone makes a radically different cover of any song they like. I heard some jazz bitch on NPR get totally bent out of shape over a remix that was done of her singing a Jobim song. It was a really cool mix and it was commissioned by the label. She felt the remixer (I can't remember who but it was a big name) had "ruined" the melody line. My problem with that is that no remix changes the existence of the original. It and every other version is still out there to hear. I bet some Hank Williams fans were irate that Red Hot Chili Peppers covered "Real Men Don't Kill Coyotes" (that was back when RHCP were good). Some felt that Devo's version of "Satisfaction" was an abomination. I really shouldn't reply to these e-mails in the morning with my coffee. Jesus. Oh yeah, actually on topic: Does anyone have any collections of samples from classic Orb songs? I don't think I'd actually do a remix of something so old but it would be neat to throw slices into my live sets. Though if I were to get my hands on the sounds from Blue Room... :) Hey, I did it to Papua New Guinea, so. Keep on scrollin' on, Alan Evil Institute for Psychic Reform Change your Mind www.psychicreform.com *In case you're worried about it, I can't afford to pay mp3.com so I will receive pay for play credit. The only way I make money from them is through album sales. www.mp3.com/ifpr; http://ifpr.iuma.com; http://www.acidplanet.com/artist.asp?AID=75480&T=6238

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Nibiru - Pissed off or honoured? - long FAREWELL rant!
by Bbbrooo＠aol.com 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

Hypothetical Question: (sorry I have always had krap spelling + chitty nonexistant aol online spell check). Yes, mr Z you are probably correct - even though I made no money on this, he will probably be pissed. I do feel that Thrash has benefited from this though, via enquiries from listeners. I looked to purchase this track then (and now) and the only time I found it was long after most of the CDR's had been given away (it's on "voyage into paradise" www.liquidsounddesign.com = still selling). I did purchased "voyage", as I do with 90% of the music I hear and like. Still feel that MP3's do not have the quality that CD's have, so purchase CD's anyway. I'm sure many others do this. If you look at Thash's excellent website you will see that he too has music from recently released musicians (Thomas F?). {By the way Thrash I was unable to open up "Alice in Wonderland". I have visions of Alice, a sexy caterpiller and father william, and hoped to sample the talking book). I have decided to compensate Thrash for the theft, I will make a donation to him. It will be dependant on the number of copies(including downloads) given away and the % time his track takes up in the whole album. Thrash: Please send me a P.O. Mailing Box Number (offlist) and you can relay the results to the list? Please do so within the next few days as I will be off for a while - stop that cheering at the back of the class. I am off on a little adventure: "imax@theorb world tour". Before I go I just wanted to say how much I enjoy this list. A bunch of sometimes sane, sometimes wierd people worldwide, with a mutual interest in let us say "music with a difference". Anyway, as I said before I heard Thrash's track and Alex's groovetech show and was inspired enough to go out and buy a software mixing programme. After alot of messing about and much to the dismay of my wife, my plagiarism has resulted in fan mail from Hungary, invitations for my "band" to play in Buffalo, to see that people had uploaded the stuff I edited onto the web as a "collaborator with Alex Paterson" (where did they get that from?), I have had invites from fans (!) (hi justina & friends) to join them to see a solar eclipse in Australia, to see komodo dragons (hi pete and buds), beers in Fulham (hi Rhonda & Nigel), to organise a virtual worldwide moon-landing (moonlight orbbery), received erbal relaxation, etc, etc,..... basically way more fun than my boring day job. Anyway, what I want to say is that, if someone as untalented as I, can do this, so can you. I suggest that everyone that plays an instrument, dj's, mixes, etc: GO FOR IT!. Don't put it off, create that new sound and I promise you you will not be disappointed. You may not become a star, but you will probably have more fun anyway.... So long, see you in the new year & thanks for all the music. cheers, bill brooks (bbroo) P.S. Thrash fundraiser: If you missed it last year, I noticed that you can still download "2001 - a space orbyssey" from: ftp://moresounds.dyndns.org/orb/ ..The best way is to search for: "LX Paterson - Bill Brooks Teatime Remixes", at SOULSEEK (www.slsk.org) Don't forget every download puts money into Thrash's pocket.. Plus: BUY ALL THRASH'S NEW RELEASES - I PROMISE THAT YOU WILL BE INSPIRED (quote from satisfied customer - bbroo) *****next stop: Live "imax@theorb Maui wowy party" (recorded in quadraphonic for YOUR listening pleasure!***hold*********** then exhale****feeling well relaxed now, bye****************

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copyright ranting
by Alan Evil 10 Nov '02

10 Nov '02

I would think a good remix would be the highest form of flattery, just like the performance of a cover song is a high form of flattery, or imitation or whatever. In this age of electronic music I would say the electronic artist creating a remix in their bedroom is about equal to a bar band covering a song in a bar. Now there are some artists that might be in that bar and get super pissed because they're not getting royalties from the band (who, if they're like me, are glad they get free drinks because what little money they've made at the door won't cover the fliers, rehearsal space, guitar strings and such that led up to that show). But I think most artists would have a good laugh and buy the band a round of drinks. I remember wishing that one of the guys from Devo would show up when I was covering "Mongoloid"... but that was a different era. I guess the Orb are a bunch of buggers for "stealing" from other people's songs. It's quite likely that more copies of Ultraworld were sold than Minnie Riperton's album with "Loving You" on it. I bet Minnie was pissed. In case you don't fathom the sarcasm there, the Orb song lead directly to the release of Minnie Riperton's Greatest Hits. That song had been out of print for over ten years when Ultraworld came out. I know, I tried to find it. (A little side note, I did find it on an "Italian Import" (read bootleg) but not on any legit releases. I think it was also available on a 45rpm single.) Personally, I think most music industry people and even a lot of musicians have got their heads so far up their asses about remixes, filesharing, sampling, and the like that they can't see how all of these make the world a better place for all of them and us. Oh, and who ever sent that Bugging You swf, you're my hero. And the last bit of ranting I've got to do is to say, if you don't want "off topic" posts you should stick to visiting websites or read NME or something. Any list that sticks to something as dull as one band isn't worth a shit. The delete button is quick and painless. At least the recent bunch of "off topic" posts have been funny and witty and informative as opposed to fifty fucking posts a day asking "Where's my BOB XX?!?" THAT was a waste of fucking time. But you didn't hear me bitching about it, did you? No, you didn't. I need a beer and the fucking stores don't sell it here for another half hour. GODDAMNIT I hate Baptists. All my love, Alan Evil Institute for Psychic Reform Change your Mind www.psychicreform.com

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Buggin' You
by M JH 10 Nov '02

10 Nov '02

I thought perhaps an amusing interlude amidst certain shame: http://media.smilepop.com/smilepop/flash/10_2002/sept02-smilepop-bugseren2.…

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Re: [Orb] Nibiru - Would you be pissed off or honoured?
by Zeisscontarex＠aol.com 10 Nov '02

10 Nov '02

I think you're missing the point here. In a message dated 11/10/2002 12:15:15 PM GMT Standard Time, womble(a)arach.net.au writes: > Like you can talk about correct spelling, Mr "Poety". > Kwook > www.kwookyworld.com > Two? Why not three? LDB <A HREF="http://moltenarts.sphosting.com">http://moltenarts.sphosting.com</A>

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Re: [Orb] Nibiru - Would you be pissed off or honoured?
by Zeisscontarex＠aol.com 10 Nov '02

10 Nov '02

In a message dated 11/10/2002 12:46:03 AM GMT Standard Time, Bbbrooo(a)aol.com writes: > P.S. Hyperthetical question: > If say, someone didn't know it was your track, but so loved one of your > remixes (requiem, floating leaf/sea dub say) they decided to try > mixing/editing for the very first time. The results where so good they > burn't this track with others onto a CDR and gave hundreds away, for free. > Then certain listeners so enjoyed this they put it on the net for download. > Would you be pissed off, honoroured or what? Put yourself in HIS situation and then see what you think, chances are you'd be pretty fucked off - I know I would be if some complete stranger found some of my original creative work then distributed it around without my permission - no matter what his intentions were, good or bad. Seems to me that this 'hyperthetical' (sic) question sounds as if its not just hypothetical. Lee <A HREF="http://moltenarts.sphosting.com">http://moltenarts.sphosting.com</A>

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Nibiru - Would you be pissed off or honoured?
by Bbbrooo＠aol.com 09 Nov '02

09 Nov '02

>>>>I'm interested in what mixing/editing/recording equipment you currently use or recommend? Also how the whole remix system works - generally do you remix up a killer track and approach the original artist, or is it usual for them to approach you? In either case how does the loot get distributed fairly?>>>>>> I know you are busy, but am still interested, many thanks. P.S. Hyperthetical question: If say, someone didn't know it was your track, but so loved one of your remixes (requiem, floating leaf/sea dub say) they decided to try mixing/editing for the very first time. The results where so good they burn't this track with others onto a CDR and gave hundreds away, for free. Then certain listeners so enjoyed this they put it on the net for download. Would you be pissed off, honoroured or what? cheers bill (bbroo)

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Re: nibiru's true identity!
by Bbbrooo＠aol.com 09 Nov '02

09 Nov '02

Hey, no big deal. We get a lot of wierdos on this list and anyone could pretend to be "thrash". I'm sure as the real thrash you wouldn't want imitators cashing in on your good name. Here is what I suggest (and it is dependant on Rachael's help?), How about you write suitable messages on postits to all your adoring fans. Place this over delicate information on your British passport (first page), then scan and e-mail it to Rachael for inclusion on her web site. If you are not who you say you are you will probably get very abusive and give some weak excuse. If you do, all your fans will appreciate you, and bow-down and worship the very dog sh** that drops off your shoes (You are in London after all).

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(no subject)
by Corbett De Rush 09 Nov '02

09 Nov '02

thrash,thrash please don't go. I don't know what I would do if I couldn't read your semi-abusive,semi-coherent rants on a daily basis. I think you make this list at a little bit more interesting to say the least. And I so enjoy trying to figure what exactly is being said in your posts(I know get a life already). When is your website going to be ready? You got a name for it yet? How about Krissy's Soft Side(me tung firmly in cheek)of Revenge of the Turd(huh? huh? what do you think?). Anyway I'm done blowing up your balloon you know how I feel. :)Hey if you make no money ober der why not come to Canada and make no money here. Sure it get's cold but the greenery and fungus is oh soooo tasty and you would be that much closer to your american adoring fans/mortal enimies. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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