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Re: [Orb] Re: FARENHEIT 911
by P J Kane 02 Jul '04

02 Jul '04

<< Don't you mean Ray Bradbury? >> doh! yes -- some old white-haired sci-fi author. Bradbury differs from Clarke in that Bradbury doesn't have the thick british accent when you see him on TV..... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org

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Re: [Orb] FARENHEIT 911
by gel-sol＠gel-sol.com 02 Jul '04

02 Jul '04

is Francois Truffaut the frog in Close Encounters? Yer Pal, Gel-Sol www.gel-sol.com >>brian at lists.frickster.net wrote: >>I thought the movie was WAY too slow. Kind of like Space Odyssey... >>Dragged on forever, and the acting was really, really bad. Like a >> terrible 80s b-movie. > > It is a Francois Truffaut film and they all tend to follow that pattern, > but I personally love them like that. As for the story itself, obviously > it's far fetched, but I think it's a fascinating notion nonetheless. I'm > sure I've heard records where dialogue is sampled from the film. > > For anyone unaware, the story is about a future world where books are > banned and 'firemen' no longer put out fires but find and burn any illegal > books owned by citizens instead. The name itself is taken from the > temperature required to burn the books. > > I find Moore's theft of the name a little corny, though when you consider > the big fight which happened on this site about whether we should be > listening to dissenting voices, then perhaps it's not so unsuitable. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Orb mailing list > Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb >

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FARENHEIT 911
by Simon Howat 02 Jul '04

02 Jul '04

>brian at lists.frickster.net wrote: >I thought the movie was WAY too slow. Kind of like Space Odyssey... >Dragged on forever, and the acting was really, really bad. Like a > terrible 80s b-movie. It is a Francois Truffaut film and they all tend to follow that pattern, but I personally love them like that. As for the story itself, obviously it's far fetched, but I think it's a fascinating notion nonetheless. I'm sure I've heard records where dialogue is sampled from the film. For anyone unaware, the story is about a future world where books are banned and 'firemen' no longer put out fires but find and burn any illegal books owned by citizens instead. The name itself is taken from the temperature required to burn the books. I find Moore's theft of the name a little corny, though when you consider the big fight which happened on this site about whether we should be listening to dissenting voices, then perhaps it's not so unsuitable.

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Re: [Orb] Re: FARENHEIT 911
by P J Kane 02 Jul '04

02 Jul '04

<< Has anyone seen the film or read the book of "Farehneit 451"? Both are brilliant IMO >> didn't know there was a movie, but the books great. saw ont eh news the other day that Arcthur C Clarke, who wrote Farenheit 451, asked M. Moore to change the name of his movie.... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org

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Re: FARENHEIT 911
by Simon Howat 02 Jul '04

02 Jul '04

Has anyone seen the film or read the book of "Farehneit 451"? Both are brilliant IMO

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re: OT screw you twig boy!
by Alan Evil 02 Jul '04

02 Jul '04

BWAHAHAHAHA! Up until Rush Limbaugh really got popular it was really pretty easy to sit and have a heated yet civil and intelligent discourse about politics. The people on the right new about the platforms, ideals, and vision of the future of the lefts and vice versa. But starting with Regan's second run for President and the beginning of the take-over of the Republican party by the fundamentalist Christians and the introduction of hate radio, most noteably Limbaugh, the act of actually discussing politics or engaging one another has been tossed out. Now it's "You're with us or against us," "good or evil," "black or white," "don't talk to me because you're wrong," "tax and spend liberal," "I'm not listening! I'm not listening! NYA NYA NYA NYA." Now the biggest piggie of them all, Mr. DICK Cheney tells a Senator, on the FLOOR of the Senate, to go fuck himself. And he brags about how it made him feel better. Absolutely shameful. This is, after all, the party that claims to have returned dignity to the Whitehouse (the only people that believe this are the same ones that listen to Rush Limbaugh, nodding "you're right" as they listen). Now it's the fucking JOCKS and FRAT BOYS that run things. Worse yet it's super rich jocks and frat boys that believe they're bringing on THE RAPTURE by their policies. People for whom time is meaningless: "The reason we went to war a year ago is for these reasons we're saying now, not the ones we said a year ago, so it's ok. You don't agree? YOU'RE A TERRORIST!!!" This is exactly how it started with Hitler. Except Hitler didn't have to get his brother to rig an election or make sure that the new computer voting machines with no paper trail are made by a man who has said he will "do whatever it takes" to get Bush elected. "Night of Broken Glass" = "9/11." "Poland" = "Iraq." "Gas chambers" = "US Prison Industrial complex." I can't wait until we invade France. These people believe it's a good idea to teach creationism in our schools. Why don't we also teach fucking voodoo as science while we're at it? THEY'RE FUCKING MORONS, PEOPLE! Remember, cunning and spiteful does not equal intelligence. And while I'm at it, Reagan was a piece of shit. Fuck all this "great man" bullshit. He was a piece of fucking garbage. Fuck him and his wife. ____________________ www.psychicreform.com or http://www.ifpr.homestead.com until we get things working ____________________ A man without self-doubt is a monster. --Garrison Keillor 25% of the world's prison population is in U.S. prisons.

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Re: [Orb] Re: OT: FARENHEIT 911
by babylon＠egenius.org 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

> > > > Michael Moore says "I am an Independent, not a member of the Democratic party" > > > > well check this link for his Active Democratic Party membership paperwork: > > > > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0628041moore2.html > > What's wrong with that? I've registered as a democrat before a primary > election in the past so that I can vote in the primary as a democrat. > Then I switch it back to undeclared. I could see MM doing the same. Whats wrong with that is that he stands up on television and declares that he is not a democrat... but he is a registered democrat.. > > I'm pretty sure MM isn't declaring F911 to be a documentary. Assuming > it is so is where most people go wrong. > No he does call it a documentary... and in fact some of the ads for it I have seen on television call it such..... This is the same as Bowling for Columbine, which won the best documentary Oscar.... but was clearly not a documentary... To me Michael more is a fucking liar..... but so are almost every politician in this country and every other country.... Democrat, Republican, Green, I don't care... politicians are liars... representing their own best interest. People should spend time learning, talking, and debating, and come to their own opinions... Sadly that is not possible in America anymore, the majority of Americans are moderates in the middle on most issues... but that just makes the Zealots on both ends of the spectrum louder.... and no conversation goes more then 3 sentences before the name calling begins. BTW - 2 Liberal editorial writers in the Washington Post lambasted F9/11 today. Saying that it preached to the choir with obviously false conspiracies, instead of leading a real dialog trying to get to the truth behind Iraq.. Also funny that a poll discussed on NBC, ABC, and CNN... (I did not catch whose poll it was)... showed that of the people who said that they were voting for Kerry, 71% said they were voting against Bush (and would vote for anyone against Bush), and only 19% said they liked Kerry. Of course that may be enough.

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re: ot F911
by Alan Evil 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

Reading the links to the "Michael Moore is lying, here's the proof" websites, they remind me of the way Creationists claim the 1000 or so pages of the Bible are more trustworthy than the millions of pages of scientific enquiry that disprove it. What I enjoyed the most were the "read the whole quote" sections which then did not include the original quote. What's up with that? I receive mailings from the Christian Coalition, the Project for a New American Century, and spend a lot of time listening to and reading the far right's output of materials. People that support the President as unquestioned and unimpeachable GREAT LEADER never bother to look at the opposing arguments. As with the Christian fundamentalists they emulate, it is considered sinful to even attempt an understanding of the contrary position. This would require them to think. It would also require them to read sources (as if the Right bothers with such useless decorations as footnotes or scholarship of any type), do research, compare and contrast (as if the Right can see anything other than black and white). To actually go see a movie that calls into question the honesty and integrity of a Bush using information that is public and footage of these people themselves would be to stain themselves in the eyes of the almighty dollar. Best to keep your eyes down and nose to the grindstone so that the blessings of the GREAT LEADER might trickle down upon you. At least half of Americans are idiots. Sadly, some of them are on this list. ____________________ www.psychicreform.com or http://www.ifpr.homestead.com until we get things working ____________________ A man without self-doubt is a monster. --Garrison Keillor 25% of the world's prison population is in the United States.

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RE: [Orb] re: ot F911
by Joshua Long 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

>>"It's just a fucking movie!!" Yes, it is a movie..... >>"So are you saying that politicians never distort the truth for their own personal agenda???" of course they do, it's their fucking job, just look at D. Feintein for an example.... >>"Sadly, some of them are on this list." I've been on this list for over 11 years, and this is the first time I can recall someone calling others idiots for their political views, which is sad...(excluding Thrash) >>"The thing with GWBush ,IMO, is that you can tell he's an idiot just by looking at him." That statement I will most whole heartedly agree with..... Look people, I was just stateing my opinion of Moore ("a fat socialist, flatulence spewing piece of shit"). To me that is what he is. I saw "Bowling" and at first glance I thought it was pretty good but something in the back of my mind was nagging at me, so I checked into it. And those links that I posted are what I found. But the thing about Moore is that his movies are not "comedies" they are so called "documentaries," to be understood as truth, and they are far from it. What I have liked most about this list is that we come from all over the world to let our feelings known about one certain subject, and that is THE ORB. And what makes this list great, and has kept me here for so long is that we can openly express our opinions about other subjects, i.e. F911 or (sarcasim on) Thrash for that matter (sarcasim off). One thing i can not stand, and I will not stand, is others lambasting others they know nothing about...Otto Matic, I have a satement for you. Don't try portraying you pathetic egotistical short-commings on me, for it will not work. You are an ASS Joshua "the religous fanatical sheep"

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OT statistics
by Alan Evil 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

Did you know that 98% of statistics are made up on the spot? Heh heh. ____________________ www.psychicreform.com or http://www.ifpr.homestead.com until we get things working ____________________ A man without self-doubt is a monster. --Garrison Keillor

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