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by Alan 15 Mar '03

15 Mar '03

I saw the Sun Ra Arkestra tonight. Fucking amazing. I wonder how much that kind of jazz influenced our boys. www.psychicreform.com Who let that monkey in here!?! Dada is dead. Watch your overcoat.

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Re: Boycott?
by Adam J Weitzman 15 Mar '03

15 Mar '03

Interesting discussion. > This is a tough one. Badorb was obviously horribly mismanaged. > How much of that is the band's fault? Though Badorb was > essentially started by the Orb how much did Alex & Co. actually > have to do with it? They were the public face of it. They promoted it. They sold records and T-shirts at shows. That said, I'm certain that they were not the ones taking the orders and putting the records in the boxes. But they do bear some responsibility, and since I was not aware of any other contact point besides them, well, that's the route I've taken. I know there are people on this list that have contacts with the band (and possibly their management), and that's why I came back here after a long absence, to see if one of you would get in touch with them for me and see what's up. > $56 seems like small potatoes... (It was actually UKP 56, which comes out to about US$90.) > I would suggest sending actual physical mail to the Orb's > management listing your grievances and showing any receipts > for unfilled orders you have. I can give that a shot. Anyone have that address? > have you tried contacting anyone at Deviant? I emailed them yesterday. I'll let you know when I get a response. > I had been I don't think boycotting an artist is a very > productive idea. All LX is trying to do is make a living doing > what he loves, he tried something new and it didn't work out. > I for one was happy to take part in the experiment, even if it > ultimately failed. All I was trying to do was help LX make a living doing something he loves (and I love), by pouring my money into his enterprise. I put up with lots of delays along the way, but I accepted that. It's OK that it didn't work out, but it's not OK that he essentially defrauded me out of $90, and it appears that he doesn't feel any responsibility to return it to me. Christine even told me she was in the process of setting up an account to handle refunds, and then left me hanging. I'm sorry, but I can't let them off the hook for that. Starting a record label and selling records over the Internet does not qualify as an "experiment." That's an extremely charitable way of looking at it, but the fact is that when you start taking other people's money and don't provide the goods, that's not experimenting, that's fraud, plain and simple. I have been very happy to support many other bands' online efforts (Prince, They Might Be Giants, Curve, Einsturzende Neubauten, and more), and in every other case I have been treated well, and have been given everything I paid for. What made the Orb incapable of following through, or at the very least, refunding my money? > Good friends I stick with through thick and thin. Lovers, > I am devoted. I cannot boycott The Orb. I love the Orb too. But all indications are that they don't love me. I've been with this band since the beginning. I was on this mailing list when it started. I own over 50 Orb recordings. I've gone to see them in concert. I bought every Bob, two t-shirts, all the MP3s, and the Bless You comp. And this is how I got repaid. LX skips out, and I'm holding the bag. I'll be honest, I'm not surprised at the response from this list. After all, how often do you hear your favorite artist called a cheat? But that's exactly what has happened. Pretending otherwise (calling it a "failed experiment," for instance) is failing to look at the reality of the situation. I recognize that most of you got everything you ordered, and some of you even got extras (anyone have an extra Bob14?), but since it's clear I'm not the only person who lost money here, I don't see how you can defend their behavior. All would be forgiven if they repay me, and others who participated in this endeavor and are still owed money. I'm not one to hold a grudge. I would even accept comparable value in future releases in exchange. But I will follow through on my boycott if it doesn't happen. I've managed to avoid buying the Kompassion EP so far. It's tough, though, and very sad. If any of you have any other ideas, I'm all ears. -- Adam J Weitzman - voxpop arbitrageur

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Royksopp live:
by Gavin Miller 15 Mar '03

15 Mar '03

hi all, After being talked into it, I went to see Royksopp at the Metro in Chicago last night, and I'm glad I went. I highly reccomend seeing them if you have the opportunity to do so. They were very energetic, dancey and put on a good live show. For a few songs they had a 3rd guy come out and play bass, while the other 2 did the technology stuff. The set lasted close to 90 minutes with 2 encores... BUT the reason I mention this here is there IS an Orb connection; the man operating their light show is Dave, the same guy from the Orb's 2001 shows. He didn't recognise me at first without the dreadlocks, but after identifying myself, we ended up talking for a little bit, and told me that the Orb are hoping to come back stateside and tour, mostlikely in the fall. He said that this time they want to hit all the places they couldn't last time, so you Texas listees migh be in luck this time. Unfortunately the show ran long, and it was a work night, so I couldn't stay around for a "pint" at the Smartbar... Oh well, if you do go, stop by the booth and say something like "I haven't seen a light show this good since The Orb" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com

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badorb problems....possible explanation?
by Corbett De Rush 14 Mar '03

14 Mar '03

Hi all I came to the badorb party rather late(Nov 02'). There were no bob vinyls left for sale and only a few togs. Not wanting to go through life without a momento of it's existence I e mailed Christine to see what all I could get. She gave me an inventory and I ordered, but had to send her a money order for payment(45ukp). I got my some stuff(togs and aubrey cd's) 2 weeks or so later and my mugs showed up 1 week after that. I had a problem in that a few of the mugs were broken and emailed Christine to see what could be done. She got back to me a few days later and said she would re ship the broken ones. She shipped all 6 and none got broken this time so I was happy. Now in February I got a letter from a bank in Englang that had some cryptic(I guess I don't understand financial brit speak) reason for why they were sending me back my money order un cashed. It seems the bank had no idea who Badorb were so they did not know who's account to credit. I assume that this is the bank that Deviant deals with so I suspect that no part of Badorb exists anymore. If Christine is not returning your emails it is probably because she is unemployed now(and thats too badd because she was great to deal with). As possible further proof that Badorb is finished: within the last month or two I have seen togs and mug sets selling on ebay after never seeing them before. This was after I got my stuff but before I got my money order back. It really sucks that some people have been ripped off but given what has happened with me I don't think that anyone is doing it intentionally. Boycott Deviant for being inept perhaps, but Lx I don't think so. That's me 2.5 cents anyways. p.s. while I felt terrible about getting stuff for free I will use the money to purchase orb products only. Oh and my favorite mix cd is Aubrey's excursions part 1 C_orb _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Orb live DVD - Lokerse Feesten Belgium
by Felix Atagong 14 Mar '03

14 Mar '03

Hereafter is my review from last year again and it contains a limited track listing of the gig in question: LX did a gig in Belgium yesterday and to be honest, I'm still baffled by it. He started with a rather anarchist version of a mile long lump of lard that took me about 5 minutes to recognise and added some new tunes afterwards. Anyway, I couldn't place them and to be honest they just seemed to be based upon simple techno beats without a lot of inventiveness. But then he decided to take a trip through memory lane and dig inside The 0rb's back catalogue: molten love (I think, it was from Orblivion anyway), blue room, perpetual dawn, fourth dimension (or at least something similar with some Gregorian monks singing), outlands, assassin, little fluffy clouds, star 6 & 7 8 9, a huge ever-growing pulsating brain etc... and ending with 111 that I have always found one of the lesser Cydonia tracks anyway. CORRECTION: it was not 111 but Thursday's keeper (FA 2003) Nothing from daleth of elphame, although I hoped for red worm and cool harbour... but I have to confess, sometimes it was difficult to recognise the tracks due to The Orb's well studied massacre technique of interceding samples and tunes. Most of the time The Orb was a duo but on a couple of tunes a percussionist sat on the floor doing his thing (molten love?) and an extra bass/guitar player added some riffs here and there (blue room). LX seemed to enjoy himself and I even caught him smiling once or twice on the huge video screen (this means someone must have a tape)! So if anybody of Gardonia ever reads this: thank you LX and friends! A fluffy old dinosaur myself I couldn't stop wondering how much the BPM's have sped up throughout the ages and if I may utter one point of criticism this is well it. Nearly every track was larded with a deafening beat, the crowd seemed to enjoy it, I mostly enjoyed it, but it is a pity that even for LX ambient moods has become a dirty word. Loving U was degraded to five minutes of techno pounding (orbital dance mix and faster). If my memory is correct this was the track that LX once had to ask Jim Cauty to leave the beats off (or was it the other way 'round?). Also Blue Room was limited to 'girl wailing on a beat' and I surely would have appreciated some of the ambient parts of that tune (perhaps not all 45 minutes of it)... But when LX is magnificent, he is magnificent in a gifted way and apart from my rambling in the previous paragraph this must have been the best concert I saw this year. If Badorb ever decides to issue an Orb Live 2002 they can, without doubt, take this gig. Felix

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RE: [Orb] Orb live DVD - Lokerse Feesten Belgium
by Don Gagen 14 Mar '03

14 Mar '03

I saw that too. I really hope the release in region free PAL, and NTSC. "There is no greater joy than soaring high on the wings of your dreams, except maybe the joy of watching a dreamer who has nowhere to land but in the ocean of reality." DONALD D GAGEN MAILTO:DGAGEN@ENSEMBLESTUDIOS.COM ENSEMBLE STUDIOS http://www.ensemblestudios.com -----Original Message----- From: Felix Atagong [mailto:atagong@tiscali.be] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 4:11 AM To: Bro Orbgasm Subject: [Orb] Orb live DVD - Lokerse Feesten Belgium The Orb website has just announced the release of a Live DVD, filmed in Belgium. On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 I wrote in a review of The Orb gig at Lokerse Feesten: "LX seemed to enjoy himself and I even caught him smiling once or twice on the huge video screen (this means someone must have a tape)!" and also: "But when LX is magnificent, he is magnificent in a gifted way and apart from my rambling in the previous paragraph this must have been the best concert I saw this year. If Badorb ever decides to issue an Orb Live 2002 they can, without doubt, take this gig." Does he read this NG or what? Reg Felix _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb

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orbisnowhere / bicycles and tricylces ?
by Joe Topjian 14 Mar '03

14 Mar '03

On the Back to Mine sleeve, Alex mentioned orbisnowhere, but then on theorb.com we have Bicycles and Tricycles. So was orbisnowhere just a tentative name or is it something else besides B&T? If Alex decided to print it in Back to Mine, then change the name, that must have happened fairly quicky? --- Joe Topjian email: joe(a)portsys.net web: http://terrarum.net/joe

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Orb live DVD - Lokerse Feesten Belgium
by Felix Atagong 14 Mar '03

14 Mar '03

The Orb website has just announced the release of a Live DVD, filmed in Belgium. On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 I wrote in a review of The Orb gig at Lokerse Feesten: "LX seemed to enjoy himself and I even caught him smiling once or twice on the huge video screen (this means someone must have a tape)!" and also: "But when LX is magnificent, he is magnificent in a gifted way and apart from my rambling in the previous paragraph this must have been the best concert I saw this year. If Badorb ever decides to issue an Orb Live 2002 they can, without doubt, take this gig." Does he read this NG or what? Reg Felix

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boycott who?
by dan the man 13 Mar '03

13 Mar '03

As for boycotting the Orb, consider this: Artists as people are often difficult to deal with - Picasso, Beethoven etc. Many of them are just straight-up assholes in every way. I don't know if I'd enjoy throwing back a few beers with Alex Patterson, and you know what? I don't care. It's a common but dreadful mistake to look at artists and art as one thing. This couldn't be further from the truth. Picasso was a monster to any woman that loved him, but that doesn't mean that he can't paint. And if you don't think Beethoven could throw down some tracks, then you need your head examined. Yeah, so you lost some money. Ever go to see the Orb live? I can tell you, there's never a guarantee that they'll show, especially in New York. Would I be mad if they didn't? You bet. Would I throw all my CDs out the window because of it? Hardly! The music is still top-notch. Think about it - you could've bought a whole crate of Backstreet Boys Cds, and they would've been delivered straight to your door, but you would've lost the money anyway, if you follow my logic. I'd rather waste money on the Orb than "spend" it on all the drivel floating around out there nowadays. "But it wasn't YOU they ripped off, was it?" you'd say. Well, in fact, they ripped me off to. But when the money is all gone, and I'm old and decrepit and lying on my hospital bed staring at some horrible Monet poster, just waiting to die, do you know what I'll be hearing in my head as the Morphine drip sets me off again? I'll tell you: "What were the skies like when you were young?" There's no boycotting that feeling. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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RE: [Orb] Boycott? (Re: Badorb refunds)
by JASON HICKS 13 Mar '03

13 Mar '03

I was never ripped off by badorb, and even if I had been I don't think boycotting an artist is a very productive idea. All LX is trying to do is make a living doing what he loves, he tried something new and it didn't work out. I for one was happy to take part in the experiment, even if it ultimately failed. Remember, "an orb is for life" Jason >From: "Mark Schieldrop" <mark(a)schieldrop.net> >Reply-To: orb(a)mailman.xmission.com >To: <orb(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: RE: [Orb] Boycott? (Re: Badorb refunds) >Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:43:27 -0500 > > > > If not, I think that we should boycott the band. Think about it: If a > > friend of yours was ripping people off, would you continue to be that > > person's friend? If a business you knew was taking money from your > > friends and not providing the services or products > > advertised, would you > > continue to support it? Why is Dr. Alex any different? Why > > should we let > > the Orb take advantage of their fans and get away with it? I > > don't think > > we should. > >Good friends I stick with through thick and thin. Lovers, I am devoted. >I cannot boycott The Orb. > > >_______________________________________________ >Orb mailing list >Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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