May 2002 - Orb - mailman.xmission.com

ORB LIVE 2002 - confirmed dates (so far)
by Smiley 14 May '02

14 May '02

afternoon folks...some new live / dj dates are below: JULY 27 - Saturday FINLAND - Koneisto/Machinery Festival ** ORB LIVE ** JULY 28 - Sunday FINLAND - Koneisto/Machinery Festival Alex DJ @ Festival - Chill out set on the beachfront stage....3pm - 6pm! AUGUST 3 - Saturday LONDON - Essential Festival - Hackney ...i don't know if the last one is a dj date or a live set, but would assume it's a dj date, although there's not yet any confirmation on the www.essentialfestival.co.uk site. cheers, --- Smiley __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Re: crashies in collector's marketing.
by Keef 14 May '02

14 May '02

> Lucky you. Thanks. > > So how many other people did you spam? Didn't spam anyone. Maybe veggie-burgered someone, or maybe veggie buggered someone, but didn't spam anyone. Spam's greasy and gives you gas, and god knows what it's made of, so I never touch the stuff. > > And don't you feel great taking advantage of those > who clearly don't > know any better? Actually all I'm really concerned with is bills and making them. Didn't really think anything of it, other than, hey my rent's paid, and perhaps I can go see my friends in France in a couple of months. Maybe I'll let my other two copies of Orbscure and Aubrey go in the next crunch if the market holds up for how much I need. I like them so I'll probably keep one of each cuz I do listen to them. In case you hadn't noticed, I'm just trying to get my keep. Taking advantage? I'd've been cool if they'd just sat there for a while ... but they didn't. I thought, well let's see if they go for this, because after all the online market is a lot weirder than the face to face record swap market is. > $125 for Orbscure Trax? $50 for > Toxygene? Yep. I averaged numbers on ebay the last four times I saw each item went up and that's what they came out to be. I did consider what these same things sold for at OM in the Village, but they didn't really change the figures. But that's where those numbers came from. I figure they're quite topical as well. (Want to know where I found them? I bought a lot of 10,000 CD's wholesale to sell around the time Orbscure came out, and four of each were in there. Except for one of the Orbscures ... it was handed to me by a promo guy when I left a Stereolab show a few months later.) If you were > able to get those prices, bully for you, but that > doesn't make them any > less out of line or justify crowing about it in > front of the people who > know better. Well, I fail to see the out-of-lineness. My position is, "here it is, ya want it? This is what you have to give me for it." Ain't nothing at *all* wrong with that, unless you really want it and you can't give me this for it, but that wouldn't be my affair, would it? Crowing? Nah. Informing. Why should I crow about it? Ya win some, ya lose some. I just happened to win in this case, which is good because it *is* my living. I figure the buyers won because they got what they wanted. Record prices go up and down like the stock market. Perhaps there's a warehouse somewhere with hundreds of these items, plenty to go around, and if so, if they surface, the collector's market price goes down. Also consider the fact that they all went to Japan, where the prices I was asking is the price of 2 or 3 CD's ... maybe 4 ... there and there's far less of a chance they'll just run into these things like I seem to have a knack for. And that I paid about $25 in shipping apiece only charging them $5 to ship, because, hey I'm a nice guy. While I'm at it, I should point out that what I got isn't terribly reflective of their actual worth. It was worth that much to the guy that bought it but not to me, else I wouldn't have sold them. In other words these things are only worth what I convince someone to pay for them at that moment in time. Next week those people who bought the stuff may be kicking themselves, but of course, it's much too late then. > Feh. > > Chris > (and yes, it *is* spam when you advertise a link to > your nearly 1,900 > items, less than 1% of which are topical, *and* > don't even bother to > link to the "O"'s) Well, you're a bright boy, and I figured you'd have thought I'd have wanted you to look around a bit as well, not just at the Or's. The Gruesome Twosome 12" is still out there, fairly cheap, cuz no one knows what it is (probably because it isn't all that great). So's the Material 12", but that doesn't go for nearly as much now that a stereo version is digitised commonly in all countries. And the Numan album is out there (although I hadn't researched that price yet so it's probably out in the clouds just in case someone really really wants it). If you watch it it might go way down soon enough. Space is still out there. So's Fire and Water, but that's probably tangential to you. And there's bugger all comps out there that have the odd Orb or Sun Electric track (most of the Instincts are out there). There's plenty for Orbies to be interested in, and I adjust prices all the time. You gotta keep revisiting me to get the deal on the next batch, and I don't know any seller who doesn't work that way. So it boils down to that I informed the way I did, and you wouldn't have done it the same way, and now you're upset? Reality never worked the sour grapes way for me. Besides I like my grapes sour. The more they pucker your face, the better. So ya think this was advertising? Perhaps you've not seen Picadilly or Times Square. cheers. Keef. ===== my record collection is up for sale. Lots of rarities. Lots of surprises. keefycub.gemm.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com

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Re: [Orb] Fireman ( McCartney & Youth..)
by Jason Hicks 14 May '02

14 May '02

I've got the Liverpool Sound Collage CD, definitely falls in the novelty category, but some nice dubs by Youth make it worthwhile for any Orb-related completist freak (u know who u r!). Btw Paul is on vocals on several of the tracks "got to be free now. . ." Jason (who bought a Toxygene 12" on Ebay for $10 including shipping last year and has never paid more than $40 for an Orb related item) np: Inside the NBA ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Kelly Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 5:44 PM To: orb(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Orb] Fireman ( McCartney & Youth..) quote the posters: "..........i'm still not sure what mcartney actually does on the cds. it's so unlike anything else he has done i have trouble accepting he is really involved in the project." & "I've always wondered that as well...I like the record, but I can't imagine Sir Paul being involved in any way..." from www.Allmusic.com http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=B8ad5vwbta9lk http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A5zrc284r05ja http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A2ckmu3xjan4k http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Atqjc7i72g71r McCartney played about 15 minutes of Fireman music before going on stage during his recent tour. _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orbGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

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RE: RE: [Orb] Re: Orb digest, Vol 1 #163 - 5 msgs
by Don Gagen 14 May '02

14 May '02

Okay "Bro", it's my turn to call it how I see it. People like me? People who work, and have money??? You keep making these broad, narrow-minded generalizations. I'm not sure what you're point is, other than you just don't like paying market value for anything. It's simple supply and demand. The demand is high, while the supply is low. Basically your saying that everyone else shouldn't buy the album you want to buy, so you can buy it for less money? If you want to blame anyone, blame the record companies for not pressing enough copies to satisfy the demand. DJ Forkboy > -----Original Message----- > From: Ovation15(a)aol.com [mailto:Ovation15@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 4:01 PM > To: orb(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: RE: [Orb] Re: Orb digest, Vol 1 #163 - 5 msgs > > > youre right i cant call them all kids but they are rich and > have credit cards with no limits, and those people and people > like you willing to feed off them are the reason all this > music is absurdly priced. sorry bro just calling like i see > it . . . DJ TV > > In a message dated Mon, 13 May 2002 1:05:32 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, Don Gagen <DGagen(a)EnsembleStudios.com> writes: > > >Well, I also paid $8, for a copy of the Aubrey Mixes on CD, > $15 on LP, US CD > >versions of PD & LFC for $3. That's just a fraction of what > their worth. I > >would say that $125 for Orbscure Trax is steep, but I picked > up about 5 > >copies when it came out. Those were hard enough to get a > hold of, and I'm > >in the US (the only place it was released). Imagine what > Orb fans in other > >countries are willing to pay. The great thing about the > internet is that it > >opens the collectible market up to the entire world. People > pay as much as > >the market is willing to bear. To say that the only people > buying are "rich > >kids" with credit cards is a broad generalization. > > > >By the way I'm still looking for a few things that I will > pay good money > >for, or make some nice trades. > > > >Don > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ovation15(a)aol.com [mailto:Ovation15@aol.com] > >> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 5:09 AM > >> To: orb(a)mailman.xmission.com > >> Subject: Re: [Orb] Re: Orb digest, Vol 1 #163 - 5 msgs > >> > >> > >> > >> yea there are rich kids on the internet with their credit > >> cards willing to pay whatever price for orb items. the same > >> thing happened with rare sublime items. on ebay rare sublime > >> CDs and such go for insane prices it makes me cringe when i > >> see people pay $140 for a CD i payed $8 for. prices for rare > >> out of print music has gotten out of control but > >> whatayagonnado; anyway congrats on your successful sales. > >> > >> DJ TV > >> > >> In a message dated Sun, 12 May 2002 9:39:28 PM Eastern > >> Daylight Time, Keef <keefycub(a)yahoo.com> writes: > >> > >> >Funnily enough all the Orb stuff went almost > >> >immediately, like within a day or two of sending you > >> >guys that original message. > >> > > >> >Oh well. I asked what I thought I could get for them, > >> >and guess what? I got it immediately. :-) > >> > > >> >Keef. > >> > > >> >> Yeah...like the prices; which tend to be anywhere > >> >> from 3-5 times the > >> >> going rate, at least on the Orb stuff. > >> >> > >> >> Pass. But thanks for spamming us. :P > >> >> > >> >> Chris > >> >-------------------- > >> >> Yeah, $125 for the Aubrey Mixes CD is a bit steep... > >> >> > >> >> l8rs, > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Nick ;-) > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Orb mailing list > Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb >

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re: Fireman / re: Dictionaraoke
by Alan Evil 14 May '02

14 May '02

Fireman: I have an album from several years back called the Fireman. Everyone said it was McCartney but there are no credits. We were all convinced it was Linda yipping in the background of some songs. It caused some hardcore "electronica sucks" friends of mine to open their ears a little. While I'm on this, another similar item was a Hendrix remix album that came out. There was even a 2cd version of it. I think it was called If Six Were Nine. Anyone want to trade for a good copy of that record? Dictionaraoke: I heard this on NPR today. It's too funny for mortal ears. Don't touch it. http://dictionaraoke.mirrors.gweep.net/ Are you married, Rachel? Institute for Psychic Reform Change your Mind www.ifpr.homestead.com

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Re: Orb digest, Vol 1 #165 - 9 msgs
by Alan Evil 14 May '02

14 May '02

>Subject: Re: RE: [Orb] Re: Orb digest, Vol 1 #163 - 5 msgs >Reply-To: orb(a)mailman.xmission.com > youre right i cant call them all kids but they are rich and have credit cards with no limits, and those people and people >like you willing to feed off them are the reason all this music is absurdly priced. sorry bro just calling like i see it . . . DJ TV Lighten up you moron. There are ghosts who flit from store to store to find goodies. There are people who go to yard sales and flea markets to find treasures. There are other people that get lucky once or twice and then are pissed they weren't lucky all the time. People by valuable stuff for nothing all the time. The smart ones turn around and sell it when they can really collect. Try to buy a pre-CBS Fender guitar. You can't afford one. That's because collectors want them and there are only a limited number in existance. There are probably more pre-CBS Fender guitars in the world than any of the Orb records this dude sold. None of them brought $100,000 though, did they? Some people save for years to buy a certain item, and some can just lay down a wad for the fuck of it. Keep searching and you'll find the stuff you want for nothing. But if you sulk because someone sold it for "too much" then you'll rot like a sad little leftover. Institute for Psychic Reform Change your Mind www.ifpr.homestead.com

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Fireman ( McCartney & Youth..)
by Dan Kelly 14 May '02

14 May '02

quote the posters: "..........i'm still not sure what mcartney actually does on the cds. it's so unlike anything else he has done i have trouble accepting he is really involved in the project." & "I've always wondered that as well...I like the record, but I can't imagine Sir Paul being involved in any way..." from www.Allmusic.com http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=B8ad5vwbta9lk http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A5zrc284r05ja http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A2ckmu3xjan4k http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Atqjc7i72g71r McCartney played about 15 minutes of Fireman music before going on stage during his recent tour.

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Re: Orb digest, Vol 1 #163 - 5 msgs
by Keef 14 May '02

14 May '02

Funnily enough all the Orb stuff went almost immediately, like within a day or two of sending you guys that original message. Oh well. I asked what I thought I could get for them, and guess what? I got it immediately. :-) Keef. > Yeah...like the prices; which tend to be anywhere > from 3-5 times the > going rate, at least on the Orb stuff. > > Pass. But thanks for spamming us. :P > > Chris -------------------- > Yeah, $125 for the Aubrey Mixes CD is a bit steep... > > l8rs, > > > Nick ;-) ===== my record collection is up for sale. Lots of rarities. Lots of surprises. keefycub.gemm.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com

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Re: [Orb] Fireman ( McCartney & Youth..)
by Bbbrooo＠aol.com 14 May '02

14 May '02

I'm intrigued, is this music any good?

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Fireman ( McCartney & Youth..)
by Dan Kelly 13 May '02

13 May '02

Bbbrooo(a)aol.com asked: (re: Fireman} "I'm intrigued, is this music any good?" chilled, ambient, very nice - should appeal to Orb fans. get the "Rushes" cd; also a nice dub on the Liverpool Sound Collage cd. the "Strawberries Oceans Ships Forest" cd is several variations of the same track. dan

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