I found the removable ladder could slide along the edge of the boat where it was deployed, especially if someone was using it while the boat was underway. I found it tended to rock around a little as someone used it. It also required a little care to make sure it was properly configured when it was deployed. With the fixed ladder, there is no question. I note I still have my removable ladder if anyone wants it. I'll say the quality is good. David GrahBishop California Message: 6Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 16:09:03 -0500 From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder Message-ID: <CAP9=bJX0R-afn11HO0ejp15vW=v1Jqt87c=sgsD1Tq6oKULBDQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" David Grah Thanks for the pdf. unfortunately I can not get it to print for me. I have given some thought to the over the gunwales mounting ladder. As I sail with a mate 50% of the time the ladder could remain stowed unless needed. I would deploy it when single handling. You mentioned it not being secure can you elaborate on that a little? ? George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 3:31 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave
I was trained, when I was a volunteer on Harbor Patrol, to always stop the boat, to hove to with a sailboat, when boarding anyone from the water on a ladder to the boat. That training reinforced what I had learned at sailing schools at Wooden Boat Center in Maine and Wooden Boat Foundation at Port Townsend on Puget Sound. Much safer than having a boarding ladder slide because the boat is underway or undersail. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: David Grah via montgomery_boats Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 11:08 AM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com Cc: For and About Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder I found the removable ladder could slide along the edge of the boat where it was deployed, especially if someone was using it while the boat was underway. I found it tended to rock around a little as someone used it. It also required a little care to make sure it was properly configured when it was deployed. With the fixed ladder, there is no question. I note I still have my removable ladder if anyone wants it. I'll say the quality is good. David GrahBishop California Message: 6Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 16:09:03 -0500 From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder Message-ID: <CAP9=bJX0R-afn11HO0ejp15vW=v1Jqt87c=sgsD1Tq6oKULBDQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" David Grah Thanks for the pdf. unfortunately I can not get it to print for me. I have given some thought to the over the gunwales mounting ladder. As I sail with a mate 50% of the time the ladder could remain stowed unless needed. I would deploy it when single handling. You mentioned it not being secure can you elaborate on that a little? ? George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 3:31 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave
Brad Thanks for the pictures that clears up a lot . The stand offs look good and I think I will add cane tips on mine so they will not mar the transom. Jerry thanks for the comments on securing the ladder just by two holes in the transom flange and the approx. dimensions. I guess I was unduly concerned about the teak flats wanting to float. I know what you mean about aging (86) and weight. I am on a calorie counting regime with a goal of reaching 195 lb.by splash time mid May. I should make it as I was 198.2 this morning maybe 190 I can hope can't I😎 I can start working on this even thou the weather is not cooperating (Snowing right now) Again thanks to the collective Wrinkle Boat Sailors who have contributed to this link. George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I was trained, when I was a volunteer on Harbor Patrol, to always stop the boat, to hove to with a sailboat, when boarding anyone from the water on a ladder to the boat. That training reinforced what I had learned at sailing schools at Wooden Boat Center in Maine and Wooden Boat Foundation at Port Townsend on Puget Sound. Much safer than having a boarding ladder slide because the boat is underway or undersail. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: David Grah via montgomery_boats Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 11:08 AM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com Cc: For and About Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder
I found the removable ladder could slide along the edge of the boat where it was deployed, especially if someone was using it while the boat was underway. I found it tended to rock around a little as someone used it. It also required a little care to make sure it was properly configured when it was deployed. With the fixed ladder, there is no question. I note I still have my removable ladder if anyone wants it. I'll say the quality is good. David GrahBishop California
Message: 6Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 16:09:03 -0500 From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder Message-ID: <CAP9=bJX0R-afn11HO0ejp15vW=v1Jqt87c=sgsD1Tq6oKULBDQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
David Grah
Thanks for the pdf. unfortunately I can not get it to print for me.
I have given some thought to the over the gunwales mounting ladder. As I sail with a mate 50% of the time the ladder could remain stowed unless needed. I would deploy it when single handling. You mentioned it not being secure can you elaborate on that a little?
?
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 3:31 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave
George- 86? Wow, you're REALLY old, I'm only 77. I've got you beat on weight, tho- I now weigh 250, which I find disgusting. I used to do running and canoe races at 185-190. Anyway, we're still alive, which is better than the alternative, up to a point. -----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 5:29 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Cc: David Grah Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder Brad Thanks for the pictures that clears up a lot . The stand offs look good and I think I will add cane tips on mine so they will not mar the transom. Jerry thanks for the comments on securing the ladder just by two holes in the transom flange and the approx. dimensions. I guess I was unduly concerned about the teak flats wanting to float. I know what you mean about aging (86) and weight. I am on a calorie counting regime with a goal of reaching 195 lb.by splash time mid May. I should make it as I was 198.2 this morning maybe 190 I can hope can't I😎 I can start working on this even thou the weather is not cooperating (Snowing right now) Again thanks to the collective Wrinkle Boat Sailors who have contributed to this link. George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I was trained, when I was a volunteer on Harbor Patrol, to always stop the boat, to hove to with a sailboat, when boarding anyone from the water on a ladder to the boat. That training reinforced what I had learned at sailing schools at Wooden Boat Center in Maine and Wooden Boat Foundation at Port Townsend on Puget Sound. Much safer than having a boarding ladder slide because the boat is underway or undersail. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: David Grah via montgomery_boats Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 11:08 AM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com Cc: For and About Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder
I found the removable ladder could slide along the edge of the boat where it was deployed, especially if someone was using it while the boat was underway. I found it tended to rock around a little as someone used it. It also required a little care to make sure it was properly configured when it was deployed. With the fixed ladder, there is no question. I note I still have my removable ladder if anyone wants it. I'll say the quality is good. David GrahBishop California
Message: 6Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 16:09:03 -0500 From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder Message-ID: <CAP9=bJX0R-afn11HO0ejp15vW=v1Jqt87c=sgsD1Tq6oKULBDQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
David Grah
Thanks for the pdf. unfortunately I can not get it to print for me.
I have given some thought to the over the gunwales mounting ladder. As I sail with a mate 50% of the time the ladder could remain stowed unless needed. I would deploy it when single handling. You mentioned it not being secure can you elaborate on that a little?
?
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 3:31 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave
Jerry My goal is to keep sailing till I am 90 (2022) and then see how my health is before swallowing the anchor.😈 After that it will be armchair sailing E- Books & U -Tube George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 7:46 PM, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
George- 86? Wow, you're REALLY old, I'm only 77. I've got you beat on weight, tho- I now weigh 250, which I find disgusting. I used to do running and canoe races at 185-190. Anyway, we're still alive, which is better than the alternative, up to a point.
-----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 5:29 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Cc: David Grah
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder
Brad
Thanks for the pictures that clears up a lot . The stand offs look good and I think I will add cane tips on mine so they will not mar the transom.
Jerry thanks for the comments on securing the ladder just by two holes in the transom flange and the approx. dimensions. I guess I was unduly concerned about the teak flats wanting to float. I know what you mean about aging (86) and weight. I am on a calorie counting regime with a goal of reaching 195 lb.by splash time mid May. I should make it as I was 198.2 this morning maybe 190 I can hope can't I😎
I can start working on this even thou the weather is not cooperating (Snowing right now)
Again thanks to the collective Wrinkle Boat Sailors who have contributed to this link.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I was trained, when I was a volunteer on Harbor Patrol, to always stop
the boat, to hove to with a sailboat, when boarding anyone from the water on a ladder to the boat. That training reinforced what I had learned at sailing schools at Wooden Boat Center in Maine and Wooden Boat Foundation at Port Townsend on Puget Sound. Much safer than having a boarding ladder slide because the boat is underway or undersail. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: David Grah via montgomery_boats Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 11:08 AM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com Cc: For and About Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder
I found the removable ladder could slide along the edge of the boat where it was deployed, especially if someone was using it while the boat was underway. I found it tended to rock around a little as someone used it. It also required a little care to make sure it was properly configured when it was deployed. With the fixed ladder, there is no question. I note I still have my removable ladder if anyone wants it. I'll say the quality is good. David GrahBishop California
Message: 6Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 16:09:03 -0500 From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder Message-ID: <CAP9=bJX0R-afn11HO0ejp15vW=v1Jqt87c=sgsD1Tq6oKULBDQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
David Grah
Thanks for the pdf. unfortunately I can not get it to print for me.
I have given some thought to the over the gunwales mounting ladder. As I sail with a mate 50% of the time the ladder could remain stowed unless needed. I would deploy it when single handling. You mentioned it not being secure can you elaborate on that a little?
?
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 3:31 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave
You can do it George..! Last year I sold a new 15 to a guy that was 91. I installed an extra vertical stanchion on the cockpit wall so he could step from the slip (Marina Del Rey) into the Cockpit easily. Installed roller furling and the concern about falling over board a Stern pulpit and I installed a folding swim ladder off a Catalina 22. It’s TALL I admit but it folds down far enough to get your feet on the bottom rung. Rock solid. A rope ladder won’t work George. You will only push the bottom Step under the boat the you have no strength to pick yourself UP. Be well Bob 949-307-5699 Cell Sent from my iPad
On Apr 5, 2018, at 6:00 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry
My goal is to keep sailing till I am 90 (2022) and then see how my health is before swallowing the anchor.😈 After that it will be armchair sailing E- Books & U -Tube
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 7:46 PM, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
George- 86? Wow, you're REALLY old, I'm only 77. I've got you beat on weight, tho- I now weigh 250, which I find disgusting. I used to do running and canoe races at 185-190. Anyway, we're still alive, which is better than the alternative, up to a point.
-----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 5:29 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Cc: David Grah
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder
Brad
Thanks for the pictures that clears up a lot . The stand offs look good and I think I will add cane tips on mine so they will not mar the transom.
Jerry thanks for the comments on securing the ladder just by two holes in the transom flange and the approx. dimensions. I guess I was unduly concerned about the teak flats wanting to float. I know what you mean about aging (86) and weight. I am on a calorie counting regime with a goal of reaching 195 lb.by splash time mid May. I should make it as I was 198.2 this morning maybe 190 I can hope can't I😎
I can start working on this even thou the weather is not cooperating (Snowing right now)
Again thanks to the collective Wrinkle Boat Sailors who have contributed to this link.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I was trained, when I was a volunteer on Harbor Patrol, to always stop
the boat, to hove to with a sailboat, when boarding anyone from the water on a ladder to the boat. That training reinforced what I had learned at sailing schools at Wooden Boat Center in Maine and Wooden Boat Foundation at Port Townsend on Puget Sound. Much safer than having a boarding ladder slide because the boat is underway or undersail. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: David Grah via montgomery_boats Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 11:08 AM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com Cc: For and About Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder
I found the removable ladder could slide along the edge of the boat where it was deployed, especially if someone was using it while the boat was underway. I found it tended to rock around a little as someone used it. It also required a little care to make sure it was properly configured when it was deployed. With the fixed ladder, there is no question. I note I still have my removable ladder if anyone wants it. I'll say the quality is good. David GrahBishop California
Message: 6Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 16:09:03 -0500 From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder Message-ID: <CAP9=bJX0R-afn11HO0ejp15vW=v1Jqt87c=sgsD1Tq6oKULBDQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
David Grah
Thanks for the pdf. unfortunately I can not get it to print for me.
I have given some thought to the over the gunwales mounting ladder. As I sail with a mate 50% of the time the ladder could remain stowed unless needed. I would deploy it when single handling. You mentioned it not being secure can you elaborate on that a little?
?
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 3:31 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave
Bob I installed roller furling 2 years ago. I do not have a stern pulpit but I do have an attachment point on the bulkhead into the boat that I can attach my safety line to that is attached to my flotation device with automatic inflation. The boat wont get away from me as one did once but that's another story. All I need to do now is get back in the boat without the help of the USCG. 🤐 I have read treads regarding rope ladders and there tendency to go under the boat. I am willing to try it and see how it goes. Hard to beat at a price not to exceed $20 and not having to mess with the mounting. I do agree that a fixed ladder is best, Had one on my Pearson 23 and it worked great. George George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 8:30 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
You can do it George..! Last year I sold a new 15 to a guy that was 91. I installed an extra vertical stanchion on the cockpit wall so he could step from the slip (Marina Del Rey) into the Cockpit easily. Installed roller furling and the concern about falling over board a Stern pulpit and I installed a folding swim ladder off a Catalina 22. It’s TALL I admit but it folds down far enough to get your feet on the bottom rung. Rock solid.
A rope ladder won’t work George. You will only push the bottom Step under the boat the you have no strength to pick yourself UP.
Be well Bob 949-307-5699 Cell
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 5, 2018, at 6:00 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry
My goal is to keep sailing till I am 90 (2022) and then see how my health is before swallowing the anchor.😈 After that it will be armchair sailing E- Books & U -Tube
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 7:46 PM, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
George- 86? Wow, you're REALLY old, I'm only 77. I've got you beat on weight, tho- I now weigh 250, which I find disgusting. I used to do running and canoe races at 185-190. Anyway, we're still alive, which is better than the alternative, up to a point.
-----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 5:29 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Cc: David Grah
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder
Brad
Thanks for the pictures that clears up a lot . The stand offs look good and I think I will add cane tips on mine so they will not mar the transom.
Jerry thanks for the comments on securing the ladder just by two holes in the transom flange and the approx. dimensions. I guess I was unduly concerned about the teak flats wanting to float. I know what you mean about aging (86) and weight. I am on a calorie counting regime with a goal of reaching 195 lb.by splash time mid May. I should make it as I was 198.2 this morning maybe 190 I can hope can't I😎
I can start working on this even thou the weather is not cooperating (Snowing right now)
Again thanks to the collective Wrinkle Boat Sailors who have contributed to this link.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I was trained, when I was a volunteer on Harbor Patrol, to always stop
the boat, to hove to with a sailboat, when boarding anyone from the water on a ladder to the boat. That training reinforced what I had learned at sailing schools at Wooden Boat Center in Maine and Wooden Boat Foundation at Port Townsend on Puget Sound. Much safer than having a boarding ladder slide because the boat is underway or undersail. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: David Grah via montgomery_boats Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 11:08 AM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com Cc: For and About Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder
I found the removable ladder could slide along the edge of the boat where it was deployed, especially if someone was using it while the boat was underway. I found it tended to rock around a little as someone used it. It also required a little care to make sure it was properly configured when it was deployed. With the fixed ladder, there is no question. I note I still have my removable ladder if anyone wants it. I'll say the quality is good. David GrahBishop California
Message: 6Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 16:09:03 -0500 From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder Message-ID: <CAP9=bJX0R-afn11HO0ejp15vW=v1Jqt87c=sgsD1Tq6oKULBDQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
David Grah
Thanks for the pdf. unfortunately I can not get it to print for me.
I have given some thought to the over the gunwales mounting ladder. As I sail with a mate 50% of the time the ladder could remain stowed unless needed. I would deploy it when single handling. You mentioned it not being secure can you elaborate on that a little?
?
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 3:31 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave
George Email sent with photos.... Bob Sent from my iPad
On Apr 5, 2018, at 6:48 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Bob
I installed roller furling 2 years ago. I do not have a stern pulpit but I do have an attachment point on the bulkhead into the boat that I can attach my safety line to that is attached to my flotation device with automatic inflation. The boat wont get away from me as one did once but that's another story. All I need to do now is get back in the boat without the help of the USCG. 🤐
I have read treads regarding rope ladders and there tendency to go under the boat. I am willing to try it and see how it goes. Hard to beat at a price not to exceed $20 and not having to mess with the mounting. I do agree that a fixed ladder is best, Had one on my Pearson 23 and it worked great.
George
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 8:30 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
You can do it George..! Last year I sold a new 15 to a guy that was 91. I installed an extra vertical stanchion on the cockpit wall so he could step from the slip (Marina Del Rey) into the Cockpit easily. Installed roller furling and the concern about falling over board a Stern pulpit and I installed a folding swim ladder off a Catalina 22. It’s TALL I admit but it folds down far enough to get your feet on the bottom rung. Rock solid.
A rope ladder won’t work George. You will only push the bottom Step under the boat the you have no strength to pick yourself UP.
Be well Bob 949-307-5699 Cell
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 5, 2018, at 6:00 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry
My goal is to keep sailing till I am 90 (2022) and then see how my health is before swallowing the anchor.😈 After that it will be armchair sailing E- Books & U -Tube
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 7:46 PM, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
George- 86? Wow, you're REALLY old, I'm only 77. I've got you beat on weight, tho- I now weigh 250, which I find disgusting. I used to do running and canoe races at 185-190. Anyway, we're still alive, which is better than the alternative, up to a point.
-----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 5:29 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Cc: David Grah
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder
Brad
Thanks for the pictures that clears up a lot . The stand offs look good and I think I will add cane tips on mine so they will not mar the transom.
Jerry thanks for the comments on securing the ladder just by two holes in the transom flange and the approx. dimensions. I guess I was unduly concerned about the teak flats wanting to float. I know what you mean about aging (86) and weight. I am on a calorie counting regime with a goal of reaching 195 lb.by splash time mid May. I should make it as I was 198.2 this morning maybe 190 I can hope can't I😎
I can start working on this even thou the weather is not cooperating (Snowing right now)
Again thanks to the collective Wrinkle Boat Sailors who have contributed to this link.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I was trained, when I was a volunteer on Harbor Patrol, to always stop
the boat, to hove to with a sailboat, when boarding anyone from the water on a ladder to the boat. That training reinforced what I had learned at sailing schools at Wooden Boat Center in Maine and Wooden Boat Foundation at Port Townsend on Puget Sound. Much safer than having a boarding ladder slide because the boat is underway or undersail. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: David Grah via montgomery_boats Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 11:08 AM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com Cc: For and About Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder
I found the removable ladder could slide along the edge of the boat where it was deployed, especially if someone was using it while the boat was underway. I found it tended to rock around a little as someone used it. It also required a little care to make sure it was properly configured when it was deployed. With the fixed ladder, there is no question. I note I still have my removable ladder if anyone wants it. I'll say the quality is good. David GrahBishop California
Message: 6Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 16:09:03 -0500 From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder Message-ID: <CAP9=bJX0R-afn11HO0ejp15vW=v1Jqt87c=sgsD1Tq6oKULBDQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
David Grah
Thanks for the pdf. unfortunately I can not get it to print for me.
I have given some thought to the over the gunwales mounting ladder. As I sail with a mate 50% of the time the ladder could remain stowed unless needed. I would deploy it when single handling. You mentioned it not being secure can you elaborate on that a little?
?
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 3:31 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave
Whatever method used to reboard, test it under the most difficult circumstances because that is when it will be a life or death issue. I speak from personal experience. Mt friend's rope ladder failed him in heavy seas and strong winds. After fighting with the boat for two hours in his many attempts to reboard, he started to doubt that he was going to survive and just as he was about to give up, his feet touched the bottom. Eventually, he was able to push off the bottom and reboard. This friend was an active water tribe member who had practiced reboarding his craft numerous times. The problem was he had never done it in a 3' chop with 30 mph winds and a boat trying to sail away from you. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Thursday, April 5, 2018 Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote: George Email sent with photos.... Bob Sent from my iPad
On Apr 5, 2018, at 6:48 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Bob
I installed roller furling 2 years ago. I do not have a stern pulpit but I do have an attachment point on the bulkhead into the boat that I can attach my safety line to that is attached to my flotation device with automatic inflation. The boat wont get away from me as one did once but that's another story. All I need to do now is get back in the boat without the help of the USCG. 🤐
I have read treads regarding rope ladders and there tendency to go under the boat. I am willing to try it and see how it goes. Hard to beat at a price not to exceed $20 and not having to mess with the mounting. I do agree that a fixed ladder is best, Had one on my Pearson 23 and it worked great.
George
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 8:30 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
You can do it George..! Last year I sold a new 15 to a guy that was 91. I installed an extra vertical stanchion on the cockpit wall so he could step from the slip (Marina Del Rey) into the Cockpit easily. Installed roller furling and the concern about falling over board a Stern pulpit and I installed a folding swim ladder off a Catalina 22. It’s TALL I admit but it folds down far enough to get your feet on the bottom rung. Rock solid.
A rope ladder won’t work George. You will only push the bottom Step under the boat the you have no strength to pick yourself UP.
Be well Bob 949-307-5699 Cell
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 5, 2018, at 6:00 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry
My goal is to keep sailing till I am 90 (2022) and then see how my health is before swallowing the anchor.😈 After that it will be armchair sailing E- Books & U -Tube
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 7:46 PM, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
George- 86? Wow, you're REALLY old, I'm only 77. I've got you beat on weight, tho- I now weigh 250, which I find disgusting. I used to do running and canoe races at 185-190. Anyway, we're still alive, which is better than the alternative, up to a point.
-----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 5:29 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Cc: David Grah
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder
Brad
Thanks for the pictures that clears up a lot . The stand offs look good and I think I will add cane tips on mine so they will not mar the transom.
Jerry thanks for the comments on securing the ladder just by two holes in the transom flange and the approx. dimensions. I guess I was unduly concerned about the teak flats wanting to float. I know what you mean about aging (86) and weight. I am on a calorie counting regime with a goal of reaching 195 lb.by splash time mid May. I should make it as I was 198.2 this morning maybe 190 I can hope can't I😎
I can start working on this even thou the weather is not cooperating (Snowing right now)
Again thanks to the collective Wrinkle Boat Sailors who have contributed to this link.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I was trained, when I was a volunteer on Harbor Patrol, to always stop
the boat, to hove to with a sailboat, when boarding anyone from the water on a ladder to the boat. That training reinforced what I had learned at sailing schools at Wooden Boat Center in Maine and Wooden Boat Foundation at Port Townsend on Puget Sound. Much safer than having a boarding ladder slide because the boat is underway or undersail. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: David Grah via montgomery_boats Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 11:08 AM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com Cc: For and About Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder
I found the removable ladder could slide along the edge of the boat where it was deployed, especially if someone was using it while the boat was underway. I found it tended to rock around a little as someone used it. It also required a little care to make sure it was properly configured when it was deployed. With the fixed ladder, there is no question. I note I still have my removable ladder if anyone wants it. I'll say the quality is good. David GrahBishop California
Message: 6Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 16:09:03 -0500 From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder Message-ID: <CAP9=bJX0R-afn11HO0ejp15vW=v1Jqt87c=sgsD1Tq6oKULBDQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
David Grah
Thanks for the pdf. unfortunately I can not get it to print for me.
I have given some thought to the over the gunwales mounting ladder. As I sail with a mate 50% of the time the ladder could remain stowed unless needed. I would deploy it when single handling. You mentioned it not being secure can you elaborate on that a little?
?
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 3:31 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave
Thanks for the heads up. As my sailing now is on a small inland lake the proibility of being caught out in extreme conditions Is very small. I don't want to say I am a Fair Weather Sailor but when it blows over 15 knots I am off the lake. George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 10:34 AM, msminchome--- via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Whatever method used to reboard, test it under the most difficult circumstances because that is when it will be a life or death issue. I speak from personal experience. Mt friend's rope ladder failed him in heavy seas and strong winds. After fighting with the boat for two hours in his many attempts to reboard, he started to doubt that he was going to survive and just as he was about to give up, his feet touched the bottom. Eventually, he was able to push off the bottom and reboard. This friend was an active water tribe member who had practiced reboarding his craft numerous times. The problem was he had never done it in a 3' chop with 30 mph winds and a boat trying to sail away from you.
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On Thursday, April 5, 2018 Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote: George Email sent with photos....
Bob
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On Apr 5, 2018, at 6:48 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Bob
I installed roller furling 2 years ago. I do not have a stern pulpit but
I
do have an attachment point on the bulkhead into the boat that I can attach my safety line to that is attached to my flotation device with automatic inflation. The boat wont get away from me as one did once but that's another story. All I need to do now is get back in the boat without the help of the USCG. 🤐
I have read treads regarding rope ladders and there tendency to go under the boat. I am willing to try it and see how it goes. Hard to beat at a price not to exceed $20 and not having to mess with the mounting. I do agree that a fixed ladder is best, Had one on my Pearson 23 and it worked great.
George
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 8:30 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
You can do it George..! Last year I sold a new 15 to a guy that was 91. I installed an extra vertical stanchion on the cockpit wall so he could step from the slip (Marina Del Rey) into the Cockpit easily. Installed roller furling and the concern about falling over board a Stern pulpit and I installed a folding swim ladder off a Catalina 22. It’s TALL I admit but it folds down far enough to get your feet on the bottom rung. Rock solid.
A rope ladder won’t work George. You will only push the bottom Step under the boat the you have no strength to pick yourself UP.
Be well Bob 949-307-5699 Cell
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On Apr 5, 2018, at 6:00 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry
My goal is to keep sailing till I am 90 (2022) and then see how my health is before swallowing the anchor.😈 After that it will be armchair sailing E- Books & U -Tube
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 7:46 PM, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
George- 86? Wow, you're REALLY old, I'm only 77. I've got you beat on weight, tho- I now weigh 250, which I find disgusting. I used to do running and canoe races at 185-190. Anyway, we're still alive, which is better than the alternative, up to a point.
-----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 5:29 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Cc: David Grah
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder
Brad
Thanks for the pictures that clears up a lot . The stand offs look good and I think I will add cane tips on mine so they will not mar the transom.
Jerry thanks for the comments on securing the ladder just by two holes in the transom flange and the approx. dimensions. I guess I was unduly concerned about the teak flats wanting to float. I know what you mean about aging (86) and weight. I am on a calorie counting regime with a goal of reaching 195 lb.by splash time mid May. I should make it as I was 198.2 this morning maybe 190 I can hope can't I😎
I can start working on this even thou the weather is not cooperating (Snowing right now)
Again thanks to the collective Wrinkle Boat Sailors who have contributed to this link.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I was trained, when I was a volunteer on Harbor Patrol, to always stop
the boat, to hove to with a sailboat, when boarding anyone from the water on a ladder to the boat. That training reinforced what I had learned at sailing schools at Wooden Boat Center in Maine and Wooden Boat Foundation at Port Townsend on Puget Sound. Much safer than having a boarding ladder slide because the boat is underway or undersail. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: David Grah via montgomery_boats Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 11:08 AM To: griemmolo2@gmail.com Cc: For and About Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder
I found the removable ladder could slide along the edge of the boat where it was deployed, especially if someone was using it while the boat was underway. I found it tended to rock around a little as someone used it. It also required a little care to make sure it was properly configured when it was deployed. With the fixed ladder, there is no question. I note I still have my removable ladder if anyone wants it. I'll say the quality is good. David GrahBishop California
Message: 6Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 16:09:03 -0500 From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder Message-ID: <CAP9=bJX0R-afn11HO0ejp15vW=v1Jqt87c=sgsD1Tq6oKULBDQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
David Grah
Thanks for the pdf. unfortunately I can not get it to print for me.
I have given some thought to the over the gunwales mounting ladder. As I sail with a mate 50% of the time the ladder could remain stowed unless needed. I would deploy it when single handling. You mentioned it not being secure can you elaborate on that a little?
?
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 3:31 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Dave
> > >
I agree about the 15 knots. My white knuckle days are past too. I like to hear the boat slide through the water now, not slam bang its way through. Fair winds, Tom B <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 6:21 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the heads up. As my sailing now is on a small inland lake the proibility of being caught out in extreme conditions Is very small. I don't want to say I am a Fair Weather Sailor but when it blows over 15 knots I am off the lake.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 10:34 AM, msminchome--- via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Whatever method used to reboard, test it under the most difficult circumstances because that is when it will be a life or death issue. I speak from personal experience. Mt friend's rope ladder failed him in heavy seas and strong winds. After fighting with the boat for two hours in his many attempts to reboard, he started to doubt that he was going to survive and just as he was about to give up, his feet touched the bottom. Eventually, he was able to push off the bottom and reboard. This friend was an active water tribe member who had practiced reboarding his craft numerous times. The problem was he had never done it in a 3' chop with 30 mph winds and a boat trying to sail away from you.
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On Thursday, April 5, 2018 Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote: George Email sent with photos....
Bob
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On Apr 5, 2018, at 6:48 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Bob
I installed roller furling 2 years ago. I do not have a stern pulpit
but I
do have an attachment point on the bulkhead into the boat that I can attach my safety line to that is attached to my flotation device with automatic inflation. The boat wont get away from me as one did once but that's another story. All I need to do now is get back in the boat without the help of the USCG. 🤐
I have read treads regarding rope ladders and there tendency to go under the boat. I am willing to try it and see how it goes. Hard to beat at a price not to exceed $20 and not having to mess with the mounting. I do agree that a fixed ladder is best, Had one on my Pearson 23 and it worked great.
George
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 8:30 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
You can do it George..! Last year I sold a new 15 to a guy that was 91. I installed an extra vertical stanchion on the cockpit wall so he could step from the slip (Marina Del Rey) into the Cockpit easily. Installed roller furling and the concern about falling over board a Stern pulpit and I installed a folding swim ladder off a Catalina
It’s TALL I admit but it folds down far enough to get your feet on the bottom rung. Rock solid.
A rope ladder won’t work George. You will only push the bottom Step under the boat the you have no strength to pick yourself UP.
Be well Bob 949-307-5699 Cell
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 5, 2018, at 6:00 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry
My goal is to keep sailing till I am 90 (2022) and then see how my health is before swallowing the anchor.😈 After that it will be armchair sailing E- Books & U -Tube
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 7:46 PM, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
George- 86? Wow, you're REALLY old, I'm only 77. I've got you beat on weight, tho- I now weigh 250, which I find disgusting. I used to do running and canoe races at 185-190. Anyway, we're still alive, which is better than the alternative, up to a point.
-----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 5:29 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Cc: David Grah
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder
Brad
Thanks for the pictures that clears up a lot . The stand offs look good and I think I will add cane tips on mine so they will not mar the transom.
Jerry thanks for the comments on securing the ladder just by two holes in the transom flange and the approx. dimensions. I guess I was unduly concerned about the teak flats wanting to float. I know what you mean about aging (86) and weight. I am on a calorie counting regime with a goal of reaching 195 lb.by splash time mid May. I should make it as I was 198.2 this morning maybe 190 I can hope can't I😎
I can start working on this even thou the weather is not cooperating (Snowing right now)
Again thanks to the collective Wrinkle Boat Sailors who have contributed to this link.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I was trained, when I was a volunteer on Harbor Patrol, to always stop > the boat, to hove to with a sailboat, when boarding anyone from the water > on a ladder to the boat. That training reinforced what I had learned at > sailing schools at Wooden Boat Center in Maine and Wooden Boat Foundation > at Port Townsend on Puget Sound. Much safer than having a boarding ladder > slide because the boat is underway or undersail. > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > -----Original Message----- From: David Grah via montgomery_boats > Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 11:08 AM > To: griemmolo2@gmail.com > Cc: For and About Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder > > I found the removable ladder could slide along the edge of the boat where > it was deployed, especially if someone was using it while the boat was > underway. I found it tended to rock around a little as someone used it. It > also required a little care to make sure it was properly configured when > it > was deployed. With the fixed ladder, there is no question. > I note I still have my removable ladder if anyone wants it. I'll say the > quality is good. > David GrahBishop California > > > > Message: 6Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 16:09:03 -0500 > From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boarding Ladder > Message-ID: > <CAP9=bJX0R-afn11HO0ejp15vW=v1Jqt87c=sgsD1Tq6oKULBDQ@mail. gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > David Grah > > Thanks for the pdf. unfortunately I can not get it to print for me. > > I have given some thought to the over the gunwales mounting ladder. As I > sail with a mate 50% of the time the ladder could remain stowed unless > needed. I would deploy it when single handling. You mentioned it not being > secure can you elaborate on that a little? > > ? > > George > "We Can Not Control the Wind > But We Can Adjust Our Sails" > > On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 3:31 PM, George Iemmolo < griemmolo2@gmail.com
> wrote: > > Dave > >> >> >> > >
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