What are the specs of the mast for a 1974 Montgomery 17? Thanks
Not sure. We’ve been building since 1997. Our mast is 21 feet six inches long. Bob Sent from my iPad
On Aug 14, 2018, at 8:39 AM, Leonardo J. Velázquez via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Leonardo: Are you reconditioning an existing standing rig or needing to build one all new (ie, mast, spreaders, shrouds, etc.)? :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 8:40 AM Leonardo J. Velázquez via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: specs of the mast for a 1974 Montgomery 17?
I need to have Dwyer Mast Co. build me a mast. Also, they will replace all the staring rigging. Thanks, Leonardo
On Aug 14, 2018 at 12:30 PM, <Dave Scobie (mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com)> wrote:
Leonardo:
Are you reconditioning an existing standing rig or needing to build one all new (ie, mast, spreaders, shrouds, etc.)?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 8:40 AM Leonardo J. Velázquez via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
specs of the mast for a 1974 Montgomery 17?
Things have changed over at Dwyer Mast. Bob Sent from my iPad
On Aug 14, 2018, at 9:39 AM, Leonardo J. Velazquez <leonardojve@gmail.com> wrote:
I need to have Dwyer Mast Co. build me a mast. Also, they will replace all the staring rigging.
Thanks,
Leonardo
On Aug 14, 2018 at 12:30 PM, <Dave Scobie (mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com)> wrote:
Leonardo:
Are you reconditioning an existing standing rig or needing to build one all new (ie, mast, spreaders, shrouds, etc.)?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 8:40 AM Leonardo J. Velázquez via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
specs of the mast for a 1974 Montgomery 17?
You need to have someone with a M17 of your type measure the rig and provide the details. Your boat is a 'mach 1' type with the cutout in the transom for the outboard and a different deck and house. A 'mach 2' boat is likely to have different shroud measurements. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 9:40 AM Leonardo J. Velazquez <leonardojve@gmail.com> wrote:
I need to have Dwyer Mast Co. build me a mast. Also, they will replace all the staring rigging.
Thanks,
Leonardo
On Aug 14, 2018 at 12:30 PM, <Dave Scobie (mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com)>
wrote:
Leonardo:
Are you reconditioning an existing standing rig or needing to build one
all
new (ie, mast, spreaders, shrouds, etc.)?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 8:40 AM Leonardo J. Velázquez via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
specs of the mast for a 1974 Montgomery 17?
Thanks a lot for the information. Leonardo
On Aug 14, 2018 at 5:05 PM, <Dave Scobie (mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com)> wrote:
You need to have someone with a M17 of your type measure the rig and provide the details.
Your boat is a 'mach 1' type with the cutout in the transom for the outboard and a different deck and house. A 'mach 2' boat is likely to have different shroud measurements.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 9:40 AM Leonardo J. Velazquez <leonardojve@gmail.com> wrote:
I need to have Dwyer Mast Co. build me a mast. Also, they will replace all the staring rigging.
Thanks,
Leonardo
On Aug 14, 2018 at 12:30 PM, <Dave Scobie (mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com)>
wrote:
Leonardo:
Are you reconditioning an existing standing rig or needing to build one
all
new (ie, mast, spreaders, shrouds, etc.)?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 8:40 AM Leonardo J. Velázquez via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
specs of the mast for a 1974 Montgomery 17?
I have a 1974 (#38) and at some point could measure mast extrusion length. I think that's all you need, yes? Right now the mast is up so can't do it accurately until I lower it (will be 2-3 weeks at least). If hoisting a tape on a halyard is good enough, I could do that sooner. cheers, John S. On 08/14/2018 02:05 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
You need to have someone with a M17 of your type measure the rig and provide the details.
Your boat is a 'mach 1' type with the cutout in the transom for the outboard and a different deck and house. A 'mach 2' boat is likely to have different shroud measurements.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 9:40 AM Leonardo J. Velazquez <leonardojve@gmail.com> wrote:
I need to have Dwyer Mast Co. build me a mast. Also, they will replace all the staring rigging.
Thanks,
Leonardo
On Aug 14, 2018 at 12:30 PM, <Dave Scobie (mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com)>
wrote:
Leonardo:
Are you reconditioning an existing standing rig or needing to build one
all
new (ie, mast, spreaders, shrouds, etc.)?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 8:40 AM Leonardo J. Velázquez via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
specs of the mast for a 1974 Montgomery 17?
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
John (and Leonardo): Besides mast length Leonardo needs length of shrouds (uppers/lowers), forestay, backstay and the split backstays (aka, backstay bridle). The length and placement of the spreaders. A photo/measure of the masthead fitting showing the length of the crane is also needed. I'm also assuming Leonardo needing details on the boom. For perfect details also needs measurements for placement for halyard cleats (number depends if jib halyard run aft - which it should be), vang, reefing clamcleats (starboard side) and deadend strapeye (port side) on mast. Similar detail for the boom: reefing cheek blocks, strapeyes and clamcleats; outhaul hardware; vang and mainsheet (mainsheet placement depending upon where the cockpit floor traveler is located - this changed a lot over the years). Above is what I could quickly think of ... I'm sure I missed something. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 3:25 PM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I have a 1974 (#38) and at some point could measure mast extrusion length. I think that's all you need, yes?
Right now the mast is up so can't do it accurately until I lower it (will be 2-3 weeks at least). If hoisting a tape on a halyard is good enough, I could do that sooner.
cheers, John S.
On 08/14/2018 02:05 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
You need to have someone with a M17 of your type measure the rig and provide the details.
Your boat is a 'mach 1' type with the cutout in the transom for the outboard and a different deck and house. A 'mach 2' boat is likely to have different shroud measurements.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 9:40 AM Leonardo J. Velazquez < leonardojve@gmail.com> wrote:
I need to have Dwyer Mast Co. build me a mast. Also, they will
replace
all the staring rigging.
Thanks,
Leonardo
On Aug 14, 2018 at 12:30 PM, <Dave Scobie (mailto:
scoobscobie@gmail.com)> wrote:
Leonardo:
Are you reconditioning an existing standing rig or needing to build one
all
new (ie, mast, spreaders, shrouds, etc.)?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 8:40 AM Leonardo J. Velázquez via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
specs of the mast for a 1974 Montgomery 17?
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
OK, I see what you mean, if he needs a full mast and all rigging...is that the case Leonardo? I guess I was assuming just a new mast extrusion. I have the fore and back stay lengths already from replacing mine recently but the rest I'd have to measure (shrouds & backstay bridle). I have pics of masthead fitting but not measurements. I don't know if my split backstay setup is OEM or not. It uses a stainless ring and T-bolts with toggles to join backstay and split stays. Also T-bolts w/toggles at bottom end of split backstays. Those I think are not OEM. Some rigging work was done by a Seattle shop by previous owners, but I don't know exactly what. I think they're not OEM because the T-bolt ends hit the chainplate fittings and did not quite align with the wire, under tension, when I got the boat. I ground away a bit of the plates so they have clearance and align OK now. The setup works just fine in any case, OEM or not. My boom was probably not all OEM when I got it; the mainsheet bail at least looked like it had been moved a bit. The reefing was horn cleats and cheek blocks, blocks not in the right places for the newer main with flattening reef and two additional reefs (I assume they were placed for the original main). I am re-doing the reefing setup (moving cheek blocks, replacing horn cleats with clamcleats), and just added a vang. So I could provide my 'custom' boom info but not what the 'OEM' boom setup was. None of this right away as I am about to leave on a trip this weekend and have a ton to do before then...but if it helps later on let me know. cheers, John S. On 08/14/2018 04:10 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
John (and Leonardo):
Besides mast length Leonardo needs length of shrouds (uppers/lowers), forestay, backstay and the split backstays (aka, backstay bridle). The length and placement of the spreaders. A photo/measure of the masthead fitting showing the length of the crane is also needed.
I'm also assuming Leonardo needing details on the boom.
For perfect details also needs measurements for placement for halyard cleats (number depends if jib halyard run aft - which it should be), vang, reefing clamcleats (starboard side) and deadend strapeye (port side) on mast.
Similar detail for the boom: reefing cheek blocks, strapeyes and clamcleats; outhaul hardware; vang and mainsheet (mainsheet placement depending upon where the cockpit floor traveler is located - this changed a lot over the years).
Above is what I could quickly think of ... I'm sure I missed something.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 3:25 PM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I have a 1974 (#38) and at some point could measure mast extrusion length. I think that's all you need, yes?
Right now the mast is up so can't do it accurately until I lower it (will be 2-3 weeks at least). If hoisting a tape on a halyard is good enough, I could do that sooner.
cheers, John S.
On 08/14/2018 02:05 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
You need to have someone with a M17 of your type measure the rig and provide the details.
Your boat is a 'mach 1' type with the cutout in the transom for the outboard and a different deck and house. A 'mach 2' boat is likely to have different shroud measurements.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 9:40 AM Leonardo J. Velazquez < leonardojve@gmail.com> wrote:
I need to have Dwyer Mast Co. build me a mast. Also, they will
replace
all the staring rigging.
Thanks,
Leonardo
On Aug 14, 2018 at 12:30 PM, <Dave Scobie (mailto:
scoobscobie@gmail.com)> wrote:
Leonardo:
Are you reconditioning an existing standing rig or needing to build one
all
new (ie, mast, spreaders, shrouds, etc.)?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 8:40 AM Leonardo J. Velázquez via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
specs of the mast for a 1974 Montgomery 17?
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
John, Dave & Bob: I initially asked the question because someone from Dwyer asked me, to be able to give me a relatively accurate quote for the job. By your responses, it is obviously a lot more complicated than I thought (showing that I’m a newbie to sailing). I think I’ll just bring the boat to them so that they can figure it out, based on my current mast and standing rigging. I do have a boom that is in good shape. Thanks again to all for your input and valuable information; I really appreciate it. John, go ahead and share with me what you have, whenever you have a chance once you return. Cheers, Leonardo Sent from my iPad
On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:27 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
OK, I see what you mean, if he needs a full mast and all rigging...is that the case Leonardo? I guess I was assuming just a new mast extrusion.
I have the fore and back stay lengths already from replacing mine recently but the rest I'd have to measure (shrouds & backstay bridle). I have pics of masthead fitting but not measurements.
I don't know if my split backstay setup is OEM or not. It uses a stainless ring and T-bolts with toggles to join backstay and split stays. Also T-bolts w/toggles at bottom end of split backstays. Those I think are not OEM. Some rigging work was done by a Seattle shop by previous owners, but I don't know exactly what. I think they're not OEM because the T-bolt ends hit the chainplate fittings and did not quite align with the wire, under tension, when I got the boat. I ground away a bit of the plates so they have clearance and align OK now. The setup works just fine in any case, OEM or not.
My boom was probably not all OEM when I got it; the mainsheet bail at least looked like it had been moved a bit. The reefing was horn cleats and cheek blocks, blocks not in the right places for the newer main with flattening reef and two additional reefs (I assume they were placed for the original main). I am re-doing the reefing setup (moving cheek blocks, replacing horn cleats with clamcleats), and just added a vang. So I could provide my 'custom' boom info but not what the 'OEM' boom setup was.
None of this right away as I am about to leave on a trip this weekend and have a ton to do before then...but if it helps later on let me know.
cheers, John S.
On 08/14/2018 04:10 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: John (and Leonardo): Besides mast length Leonardo needs length of shrouds (uppers/lowers), forestay, backstay and the split backstays (aka, backstay bridle). The length and placement of the spreaders. A photo/measure of the masthead fitting showing the length of the crane is also needed. I'm also assuming Leonardo needing details on the boom. For perfect details also needs measurements for placement for halyard cleats (number depends if jib halyard run aft - which it should be), vang, reefing clamcleats (starboard side) and deadend strapeye (port side) on mast. Similar detail for the boom: reefing cheek blocks, strapeyes and clamcleats; outhaul hardware; vang and mainsheet (mainsheet placement depending upon where the cockpit floor traveler is located - this changed a lot over the years). Above is what I could quickly think of ... I'm sure I missed something. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 3:25 PM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote: I have a 1974 (#38) and at some point could measure mast extrusion length. I think that's all you need, yes?
Right now the mast is up so can't do it accurately until I lower it (will be 2-3 weeks at least). If hoisting a tape on a halyard is good enough, I could do that sooner.
cheers, John S.
On 08/14/2018 02:05 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: You need to have someone with a M17 of your type measure the rig and provide the details.
Your boat is a 'mach 1' type with the cutout in the transom for the outboard and a different deck and house. A 'mach 2' boat is likely to have different shroud measurements.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 9:40 AM Leonardo J. Velazquez < leonardojve@gmail.com> wrote:
I need to have Dwyer Mast Co. build me a mast. Also, they will
replace
all the staring rigging.
Thanks,
Leonardo
On Aug 14, 2018 at 12:30 PM, <Dave Scobie (mailto:
scoobscobie@gmail.com)> wrote:
Leonardo:
Are you reconditioning an existing standing rig or needing to build one
all
new (ie, mast, spreaders, shrouds, etc.)?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 8:40 AM Leonardo J. Velázquez via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
specs of the mast for a 1974 Montgomery 17?
>
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Leonardo: If you are local to Dwyer and they will duplicate the rig that should be good. Is the current standing rig significantly damaged? :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 6:06 PM Leonardo Velazquez <leonardojve@gmail.com> wrote:
John, Dave:
I initially asked the question because someone from Dwyer asked me, to be able to give me a relatively accurate quote for the job. By your responses, it is obviously a lot more complicated than I thought (showing that I’m a newbie to sailing).
I think I’ll just bring the boat to them so that they can figure it out, based on my current mast and standing rigging. I do have a boom that is in good shape.
Thanks again to all for your input and valuable information; I really appreciate it. John, go ahead and share with me what you have, whenever you have a chance once you return.
Cheers,
Leonardo
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:27 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
OK, I see what you mean, if he needs a full mast and all rigging...is that the case Leonardo? I guess I was assuming just a new mast extrusion.
I have the fore and back stay lengths already from replacing mine recently but the rest I'd have to measure (shrouds & backstay bridle). I have pics of masthead fitting but not measurements.
I don't know if my split backstay setup is OEM or not. It uses a stainless ring and T-bolts with toggles to join backstay and split stays. Also T-bolts w/toggles at bottom end of split backstays. Those I think are not OEM. Some rigging work was done by a Seattle shop by previous owners, but I don't know exactly what. I think they're not OEM because the T-bolt ends hit the chainplate fittings and did not quite align with the wire, under tension, when I got the boat. I ground away a bit of the plates so they have clearance and align OK now. The setup works just fine in any case, OEM or not.
My boom was probably not all OEM when I got it; the mainsheet bail at least looked like it had been moved a bit. The reefing was horn cleats and cheek blocks, blocks not in the right places for the newer main with flattening reef and two additional reefs (I assume they were placed for the original main). I am re-doing the reefing setup (moving cheek blocks, replacing horn cleats with clamcleats), and just added a vang. So I could provide my 'custom' boom info but not what the 'OEM' boom setup was.
None of this right away as I am about to leave on a trip this weekend and have a ton to do before then...but if it helps later on let me know.
cheers, John S.
On 08/14/2018 04:10 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: John (and Leonardo): Besides mast length Leonardo needs length of shrouds (uppers/lowers), forestay, backstay and the split backstays (aka, backstay bridle). The length and placement of the spreaders. A photo/measure of the masthead fitting showing the length of the crane is also needed. I'm also assuming Leonardo needing details on the boom. For perfect details also needs measurements for placement for halyard cleats (number depends if jib halyard run aft - which it should be), vang, reefing clamcleats (starboard side) and deadend strapeye (port side) on mast. Similar detail for the boom: reefing cheek blocks, strapeyes and clamcleats; outhaul hardware; vang and mainsheet (mainsheet placement depending upon where the cockpit floor traveler is located - this changed a lot over the years). Above is what I could quickly think of ... I'm sure I missed something. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 3:25 PM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote: I have a 1974 (#38) and at some point could measure mast extrusion length. I think that's all you need, yes?
Right now the mast is up so can't do it accurately until I lower it (will be 2-3 weeks at least). If hoisting a tape on a halyard is good enough, I could do that sooner.
cheers, John S.
On 08/14/2018 02:05 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: You need to have someone with a M17 of your type measure the rig and provide the details.
Your boat is a 'mach 1' type with the cutout in the transom for the outboard and a different deck and house. A 'mach 2' boat is likely to have different shroud measurements.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 9:40 AM Leonardo J. Velazquez < leonardojve@gmail.com> wrote:
I need to have Dwyer Mast Co. build me a mast. Also, they will
replace
all the staring rigging.
Thanks,
Leonardo
> > On Aug 14, 2018 at 12:30 PM, <Dave Scobie (mailto: scoobscobie@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > > Leonardo: > > Are you reconditioning an existing standing rig or needing to build one all > new (ie, mast, spreaders, shrouds, etc.)? > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 8:40 AM Leonardo J. Velázquez via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > specs of the mast for a 1974 Montgomery 17? > >> >
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Dave: Only 1 shroud needs to be replaced. But doesn’t it make sense to replace the standing rigging at the same time?
On Aug 14, 2018 at 9:51 PM, <Dave Scobie (mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com)> wrote:
Leonardo:
If you are local to Dwyer and they will duplicate the rig that should be good.
Is the current standing rig significantly damaged?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 6:06 PM Leonardo Velazquez <leonardojve@gmail.com> wrote:
John, Dave:
I initially asked the question because someone from Dwyer asked me, to be able to give me a relatively accurate quote for the job. By your responses, it is obviously a lot more complicated than I thought (showing that I’m a newbie to sailing).
I think I’ll just bring the boat to them so that they can figure it out, based on my current mast and standing rigging. I do have a boom that is in good shape.
Thanks again to all for your input and valuable information; I really appreciate it. John, go ahead and share with me what you have, whenever you have a chance once you return.
Cheers,
Leonardo
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:27 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
OK, I see what you mean, if he needs a full mast and all rigging...is that the case Leonardo? I guess I was assuming just a new mast extrusion.
I have the fore and back stay lengths already from replacing mine recently but the rest I'd have to measure (shrouds & backstay bridle). I have pics of masthead fitting but not measurements.
I don't know if my split backstay setup is OEM or not. It uses a stainless ring and T-bolts with toggles to join backstay and split stays. Also T-bolts w/toggles at bottom end of split backstays. Those I think are not OEM. Some rigging work was done by a Seattle shop by previous owners, but I don't know exactly what. I think they're not OEM because the T-bolt ends hit the chainplate fittings and did not quite align with the wire, under tension, when I got the boat. I ground away a bit of the plates so they have clearance and align OK now. The setup works just fine in any case, OEM or not.
My boom was probably not all OEM when I got it; the mainsheet bail at least looked like it had been moved a bit. The reefing was horn cleats and cheek blocks, blocks not in the right places for the newer main with flattening reef and two additional reefs (I assume they were placed for the original main). I am re-doing the reefing setup (moving cheek blocks, replacing horn cleats with clamcleats), and just added a vang. So I could provide my 'custom' boom info but not what the 'OEM' boom setup was.
None of this right away as I am about to leave on a trip this weekend and have a ton to do before then...but if it helps later on let me know.
cheers, John S.
On 08/14/2018 04:10 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: John (and Leonardo): Besides mast length Leonardo needs length of shrouds (uppers/lowers), forestay, backstay and the split backstays (aka, backstay bridle). The length and placement of the spreaders. A photo/measure of the masthead fitting showing the length of the crane is also needed. I'm also assuming Leonardo needing details on the boom. For perfect details also needs measurements for placement for halyard cleats (number depends if jib halyard run aft - which it should be), vang, reefing clamcleats (starboard side) and deadend strapeye (port side) on mast. Similar detail for the boom: reefing cheek blocks, strapeyes and clamcleats; outhaul hardware; vang and mainsheet (mainsheet placement depending upon where the cockpit floor traveler is located - this changed a lot over the years). Above is what I could quickly think of ... I'm sure I missed something. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 3:25 PM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote: I have a 1974 (#38) and at some point could measure mast extrusion length. I think that's all you need, yes?
Right now the mast is up so can't do it accurately until I lower it (will be 2-3 weeks at least). If hoisting a tape on a halyard is good enough, I could do that sooner.
cheers, John S.
On 08/14/2018 02:05 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: You need to have someone with a M17 of your type measure the rig and provide the details.
Your boat is a 'mach 1' type with the cutout in the transom for the outboard and a different deck and house. A 'mach 2' boat is likely to have different shroud measurements.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 9:40 AM Leonardo J. Velazquez < leonardojve@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I need to have Dwyer Mast Co. build me a mast. Also, they will replace > all the staring rigging. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Leonardo > > > > > > > >> >> On Aug 14, 2018 at 12:30 PM, <Dave Scobie (mailto: scoobscobie@gmail.com)> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Leonardo: >> >> Are you reconditioning an existing standing rig or needing to build one > all >> new (ie, mast, spreaders, shrouds, etc.)? >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 8:40 AM Leonardo J. Velázquez via > montgomery_boats < >> montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >> >> specs of the mast for a 1974 Montgomery 17? >> >>> >> >
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Leonardo: If the mast isnt damaged it does not need to be replaced. Any rigging shop can make new forestay, backstay, backstay bridle, and lower & upper shrouds. If the old are present just take to to shop and duplicate (assumption being the old are the correct length). Yes assuming all 'the wires' are original it is good to replace them all. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 2:46 AM Leonardo J. Velazquez <leonardojve@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave:
Only 1 shroud needs to be replaced. But doesn’t it make sense to replace the standing rigging at the same time?
On Aug 14, 2018 at 9:51 PM, <Dave Scobie (mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com)>
wrote:
Leonardo:
If you are local to Dwyer and they will duplicate the rig that should
be
good.
Is the current standing rig significantly damaged?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 6:06 PM Leonardo Velazquez <leonardojve@gmail.com>
wrote:
John, Dave:
I initially asked the question because someone from Dwyer asked me, to be able to give me a relatively accurate quote for the job. By your responses, it is obviously a lot more complicated than I thought (showing that I’m a newbie to sailing).
I think I’ll just bring the boat to them so that they can figure it out, based on my current mast and standing rigging. I do have a boom that is in good shape.
Thanks again to all for your input and valuable information; I really appreciate it. John, go ahead and share with me what you have, whenever you have a chance once you return.
Cheers,
Leonardo
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:27 PM, John Schinnerer < john@eco-living.net> wrote:
OK, I see what you mean, if he needs a full mast and all rigging...is that the case Leonardo? I guess I was assuming just a new mast extrusion.
I have the fore and back stay lengths already from replacing mine recently but the rest I'd have to measure (shrouds & backstay bridle). I have pics of masthead fitting but not measurements.
I don't know if my split backstay setup is OEM or not. It uses a stainless ring and T-bolts with toggles to join backstay and split stays. Also T-bolts w/toggles at bottom end of split backstays. Those I think are not OEM. Some rigging work was done by a Seattle shop by previous owners, but I don't know exactly what. I think they're not OEM because the T-bolt ends hit the chainplate fittings and did not quite align with the wire, under tension, when I got the boat. I ground away a bit of the plates so they have clearance and align OK now. The setup works just fine in any case, OEM or not.
My boom was probably not all OEM when I got it; the mainsheet bail at least looked like it had been moved a bit. The reefing was horn cleats and cheek blocks, blocks not in the right places for the newer main with flattening reef and two additional reefs (I assume they were placed for the original main). I am re-doing the reefing setup (moving cheek blocks, replacing horn cleats with clamcleats), and just added a vang. So I could provide my 'custom' boom info but not what the 'OEM' boom setup was.
None of this right away as I am about to leave on a trip this weekend and have a ton to do before then...but if it helps later on let me know.
cheers, John S.
On 08/14/2018 04:10 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: John (and Leonardo): Besides mast length Leonardo needs length of shrouds (uppers/lowers), forestay, backstay and the split backstays (aka, backstay bridle). The length and placement of the spreaders. A photo/measure of the masthead fitting showing the length of the crane is also needed. I'm also assuming Leonardo needing details on the boom. For perfect details also needs measurements for placement for halyard cleats (number depends if jib halyard run aft - which it should be), vang, reefing clamcleats (starboard side) and deadend strapeye (port side) on mast. Similar detail for the boom: reefing cheek blocks, strapeyes and clamcleats; outhaul hardware; vang and mainsheet (mainsheet placement depending upon where the cockpit floor traveler is located - this changed a lot over the years). Above is what I could quickly think of ... I'm sure I missed something. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 3:25 PM John Schinnerer < john@eco-living.net> wrote: I have a 1974 (#38) and at some point could measure mast extrusion length. I think that's all you need, yes?
Right now the mast is up so can't do it accurately until I lower it (will be 2-3 weeks at least). If hoisting a tape on a halyard is good enough, I could do that sooner.
cheers, John S.
> On 08/14/2018 02:05 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: > You need to have someone with a M17 of your type measure the rig and > provide the details. > > Your boat is a 'mach 1' type with the cutout in the transom for the > outboard and a different deck and house. A 'mach 2' boat is likely to have > different shroud measurements. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 9:40 AM Leonardo J. Velazquez < leonardojve@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> I need to have Dwyer Mast Co. build me a mast. Also, they will replace >> all the staring rigging. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Leonardo >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> On Aug 14, 2018 at 12:30 PM, <Dave Scobie (mailto: scoobscobie@gmail.com)> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Leonardo: >>> >>> Are you reconditioning an existing standing rig or needing to build one >> all >>> new (ie, mast, spreaders, shrouds, etc.)? >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 8:40 AM Leonardo J. Velázquez via >> montgomery_boats < >>> montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >>> >>> specs of the mast for a 1974 Montgomery 17? >>> >>>> >>> >>
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Yes, the mast is damaged. Sent from my iPad
On Aug 15, 2018, at 7:30 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Leonardo:
If the mast isnt damaged it does not need to be replaced.
Any rigging shop can make new forestay, backstay, backstay bridle, and lower & upper shrouds. If the old are present just take to to shop and duplicate (assumption being the old are the correct length). Yes assuming all 'the wires' are original it is good to replace them all.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 2:46 AM Leonardo J. Velazquez <leonardojve@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave:
Only 1 shroud needs to be replaced. But doesn’t it make sense to replace the standing rigging at the same time?
On Aug 14, 2018 at 9:51 PM, <Dave Scobie (mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com)>
wrote:
Leonardo:
If you are local to Dwyer and they will duplicate the rig that should
be
good.
Is the current standing rig significantly damaged?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 6:06 PM Leonardo Velazquez <leonardojve@gmail.com>
wrote:
John, Dave:
I initially asked the question because someone from Dwyer asked me, to be able to give me a relatively accurate quote for the job. By your responses, it is obviously a lot more complicated than I thought (showing that I’m a newbie to sailing).
I think I’ll just bring the boat to them so that they can figure it out, based on my current mast and standing rigging. I do have a boom that is in good shape.
Thanks again to all for your input and valuable information; I really appreciate it. John, go ahead and share with me what you have, whenever you have a chance once you return.
Cheers,
Leonardo
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:27 PM, John Schinnerer < john@eco-living.net> wrote:
OK, I see what you mean, if he needs a full mast and all rigging...is that the case Leonardo? I guess I was assuming just a new mast extrusion.
I have the fore and back stay lengths already from replacing mine recently but the rest I'd have to measure (shrouds & backstay bridle). I have pics of masthead fitting but not measurements.
I don't know if my split backstay setup is OEM or not. It uses a stainless ring and T-bolts with toggles to join backstay and split stays. Also T-bolts w/toggles at bottom end of split backstays. Those I think are not OEM. Some rigging work was done by a Seattle shop by previous owners, but I don't know exactly what. I think they're not OEM because the T-bolt ends hit the chainplate fittings and did not quite align with the wire, under tension, when I got the boat. I ground away a bit of the plates so they have clearance and align OK now. The setup works just fine in any case, OEM or not.
My boom was probably not all OEM when I got it; the mainsheet bail at least looked like it had been moved a bit. The reefing was horn cleats and cheek blocks, blocks not in the right places for the newer main with flattening reef and two additional reefs (I assume they were placed for the original main). I am re-doing the reefing setup (moving cheek blocks, replacing horn cleats with clamcleats), and just added a vang. So I could provide my 'custom' boom info but not what the 'OEM' boom setup was.
None of this right away as I am about to leave on a trip this weekend and have a ton to do before then...but if it helps later on let me know.
cheers, John S.
On 08/14/2018 04:10 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: John (and Leonardo): Besides mast length Leonardo needs length of shrouds (uppers/lowers), forestay, backstay and the split backstays (aka, backstay bridle). The length and placement of the spreaders. A photo/measure of the masthead fitting showing the length of the crane is also needed. I'm also assuming Leonardo needing details on the boom. For perfect details also needs measurements for placement for halyard cleats (number depends if jib halyard run aft - which it should be), vang, reefing clamcleats (starboard side) and deadend strapeye (port side) on mast. Similar detail for the boom: reefing cheek blocks, strapeyes and clamcleats; outhaul hardware; vang and mainsheet (mainsheet placement depending upon where the cockpit floor traveler is located - this changed a lot over the years). Above is what I could quickly think of ... I'm sure I missed something. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 3:25 PM John Schinnerer < john@eco-living.net> wrote: > I have a 1974 (#38) and at some point could measure mast extrusion > length. I think that's all you need, yes? > > Right now the mast is up so can't do it accurately until I lower it > (will be 2-3 weeks at least). If hoisting a tape on a halyard is good > enough, I could do that sooner. > > cheers, > John S. > >> On 08/14/2018 02:05 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: >> You need to have someone with a M17 of your type measure the rig and >> provide the details. >> >> Your boat is a 'mach 1' type with the cutout in the transom for the >> outboard and a different deck and house. A 'mach 2' boat is likely to > have >> different shroud measurements. >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 9:40 AM Leonardo J. Velazquez < > leonardojve@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> I need to have Dwyer Mast Co. build me a mast. Also, they will > replace >>> all the staring rigging. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> Leonardo >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 14, 2018 at 12:30 PM, <Dave Scobie (mailto: > scoobscobie@gmail.com)> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Leonardo: >>>> >>>> Are you reconditioning an existing standing rig or needing to build one >>> all >>>> new (ie, mast, spreaders, shrouds, etc.)? >>>> >>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 8:40 AM Leonardo J. Velázquez via >>> montgomery_boats < >>>> montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> specs of the mast for a 1974 Montgomery 17? >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > >
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Maybe this diagram can help. It is a later model than yours but may get you in ball park. Tom From: Leonardo Velazquez <leonardojve@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 6:06 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: What are the specs of the mast for a 1974 Montgomery 17? Thanks John, Dave & Bob: I initially asked the question because someone from Dwyer asked me, to be able to give me a relatively accurate quote for the job. By your responses, it is obviously a lot more complicated than I thought (showing that I’m a newbie to sailing). I think I’ll just bring the boat to them so that they can figure it out, based on my current mast and standing rigging. I do have a boom that is in good shape. Thanks again to all for your input and valuable information; I really appreciate it. John, go ahead and share with me what you have, whenever you have a chance once you return. Cheers, Leonardo Sent from my iPad
On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:27 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
OK, I see what you mean, if he needs a full mast and all rigging...is that the case Leonardo? I guess I was assuming just a new mast extrusion.
I have the fore and back stay lengths already from replacing mine recently but the rest I'd have to measure (shrouds & backstay bridle). I have pics of masthead fitting but not measurements.
I don't know if my split backstay setup is OEM or not. It uses a stainless ring and T-bolts with toggles to join backstay and split stays. Also T-bolts w/toggles at bottom end of split backstays. Those I think are not OEM. Some rigging work was done by a Seattle shop by previous owners, but I don't know exactly what. I think they're not OEM because the T-bolt ends hit the chainplate fittings and did not quite align with the wire, under tension, when I got the boat. I ground away a bit of the plates so they have clearance and align OK now. The setup works just fine in any case, OEM or not.
My boom was probably not all OEM when I got it; the mainsheet bail at least looked like it had been moved a bit. The reefing was horn cleats and cheek blocks, blocks not in the right places for the newer main with flattening reef and two additional reefs (I assume they were placed for the original main). I am re-doing the reefing setup (moving cheek blocks, replacing horn cleats with clamcleats), and just added a vang. So I could provide my 'custom' boom info but not what the 'OEM' boom setup was.
None of this right away as I am about to leave on a trip this weekend and have a ton to do before then...but if it helps later on let me know.
cheers, John S.
On 08/14/2018 04:10 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: John (and Leonardo): Besides mast length Leonardo needs length of shrouds (uppers/lowers), forestay, backstay and the split backstays (aka, backstay bridle). The length and placement of the spreaders. A photo/measure of the masthead fitting showing the length of the crane is also needed. I'm also assuming Leonardo needing details on the boom. For perfect details also needs measurements for placement for halyard cleats (number depends if jib halyard run aft - which it should be), vang, reefing clamcleats (starboard side) and deadend strapeye (port side) on mast. Similar detail for the boom: reefing cheek blocks, strapeyes and clamcleats; outhaul hardware; vang and mainsheet (mainsheet placement depending upon where the cockpit floor traveler is located - this changed a lot over the years). Above is what I could quickly think of ... I'm sure I missed something. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 3:25 PM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote: I have a 1974 (#38) and at some point could measure mast extrusion length. I think that's all you need, yes?
Right now the mast is up so can't do it accurately until I lower it (will be 2-3 weeks at least). If hoisting a tape on a halyard is good enough, I could do that sooner.
cheers, John S.
On 08/14/2018 02:05 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: You need to have someone with a M17 of your type measure the rig and provide the details.
Your boat is a 'mach 1' type with the cutout in the transom for the outboard and a different deck and house. A 'mach 2' boat is likely to have different shroud measurements.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 9:40 AM Leonardo J. Velazquez < leonardojve@gmail.com> wrote:
I need to have Dwyer Mast Co. build me a mast. Also, they will
replace
all the staring rigging.
Thanks,
Leonardo
On Aug 14, 2018 at 12:30 PM, <Dave Scobie (mailto:
scoobscobie@gmail.com)> wrote:
Leonardo:
Are you reconditioning an existing standing rig or needing to build one
all
new (ie, mast, spreaders, shrouds, etc.)?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 8:40 AM Leonardo J. Velázquez via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
specs of the mast for a 1974 Montgomery 17?
>
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Thank you very much Graham!
On Aug 16, 2018 at 2:43 PM, <Grahamtjr (mailto:grahamtjr@frontier.com)> wrote:
Maybe this diagram can help. It is a later model than yours but may get you in ball park. Tom From: Leonardo Velazquez To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 6:06 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: What are the specs of the mast for a 1974 Montgomery 17? Thanks John, Dave & Bob: I initially asked the question because someone from Dwyer asked me, to be able to give me a relatively accurate quote for the job. By your responses, it is obviously a lot more complicated than I thought (showing that I’m a newbie to sailing). I think I’ll just bring the boat to them so that they can figure it out, based on my current mast and standing rigging. I do have a boom that is in good shape. Thanks again to all for your input and valuable information; I really appreciate it. John, go ahead and share with me what you have, whenever you have a chance once you return. Cheers, Leonardo Sent from my iPad > On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:27 PM, John Schinnerer wrote: > > OK, I see what you mean, if he needs a full mast and all rigging...is that the case Leonardo? > I guess I was assuming just a new mast extrusion. > > I have the fore and back stay lengths already from replacing mine recently but the rest I'd have to measure (shrouds & backstay bridle). > I have pics of masthead fitting but not measurements. > > I don't know if my split backstay setup is OEM or not. It uses a stainless ring and T-bolts with toggles to join backstay and split stays. Also T-bolts w/toggles at bottom end of split backstays. > Those I think are not OEM. Some rigging work was done by a Seattle shop by previous owners, but I don't know exactly what. I think they're not OEM because the T-bolt ends hit the chainplate fittings and did not quite align with the wire, under tension, when I got the boat. I ground away a bit of the plates so they have clearance and align OK now. > The setup works just fine in any case, OEM or not. > > My boom was probably not all OEM when I got it; the mainsheet bail at least looked like it had been moved a bit. The reefing was horn cleats and cheek blocks, blocks not in the right places for the newer main with flattening reef and two additional reefs (I assume they were placed for the original main). > I am re-doing the reefing setup (moving cheek blocks, replacing horn cleats with clamcleats), and just added a vang. So I could provide my 'custom' boom info but not what the 'OEM' boom setup was. > > None of this right away as I am about to leave on a trip this weekend and have a ton to do before then...but if it helps later on let me know. > > cheers, > John S. > > >> On 08/14/2018 04:10 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: >> John (and Leonardo): >> Besides mast length Leonardo needs length of shrouds (uppers/lowers), >> forestay, backstay and the split backstays (aka, backstay bridle). The >> length and placement of the spreaders. A photo/measure of the masthead >> fitting showing the length of the crane is also needed. >> I'm also assuming Leonardo needing details on the boom. >> For perfect details also needs measurements for placement for halyard >> cleats (number depends if jib halyard run aft - which it should be), vang, >> reefing clamcleats (starboard side) and deadend strapeye (port side) on >> mast. >> Similar detail for the boom: reefing cheek blocks, strapeyes and >> clamcleats; outhaul hardware; vang and mainsheet (mainsheet placement >> depending upon where the cockpit floor traveler is located - this changed a >> lot over the years). >> Above is what I could quickly think of ... I'm sure I missed something. >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 3:25 PM John Schinnerer wrote: >>> I have a 1974 (#38) and at some point could measure mast extrusion >>> length. I think that's all you need, yes? >>> >>> Right now the mast is up so can't do it accurately until I lower it >>> (will be 2-3 weeks at least). If hoisting a tape on a halyard is good >>> enough, I could do that sooner. >>> >>> cheers, >>> John S. >>> >>>> On 08/14/2018 02:05 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: >>>> You need to have someone with a M17 of your type measure the rig and >>>> provide the details. >>>> >>>> Your boat is a 'mach 1' type with the cutout in the transom for the >>>> outboard and a different deck and house. A 'mach 2' boat is likely to >>> have >>>> different shroud measurements. >>>> >>>> >>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 9:40 AM Leonardo J. Velazquez < >>> leonardojve@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I need to have Dwyer Mast Co. build me a mast. Also, they will >>> replace >>>>> all the staring rigging. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Leonardo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 14, 2018 at 12:30 PM, >> scoobscobie@gmail.com)> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Leonardo: >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you reconditioning an existing standing rig or needing to build one >>>>> all >>>>>> new (ie, mast, spreaders, shrouds, etc.)? >>>>>> >>>>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>>>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 8:40 AM Leonardo J. Velázquez via >>>>> montgomery_boats < >>>>>> montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> specs of the mast for a 1974 Montgomery 17? >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>> http://eco-living.net >>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>> >>> > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com >
The _actual_ mast stuff in the diagram Graham shared is likely fine. The shroud/forestay/backstay/bridle lengths may be very different because the different house and transom on a 'mach 1' M17 v the 'mach 2' in the PDF diagram. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 12:56 PM Leonardo J. Velazquez <leonardojve@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you very much Graham!
On Aug 16, 2018 at 2:43 PM, <Grahamtjr (mailto:grahamtjr@frontier.com)>
wrote:
Maybe this diagram can help. It is a later model than yours but may get
you in ball park.
Dave is right- the wires are of different lengths; turnbuckles and other hardware are of different lengths depending on manufacturers, and somewhere in the struggle I changed the mast length from 19'2.5" to 19'4, because my friend Ron Holder came out with his Vagabond 17, and to order them together, in larger quantities, we both compromised on length. I remember that our next order was for 5,000 lbs of masts, and we got them for under 50. each! Note that there has been a tremendous amount of inflation since then. I don't know if Sage is still in the rigging business since Dave left, but if they are they would do fine. Sage has my old swedging machine. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 2:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: What are the specs of the mast for a 1974 Montgomery17? Thanks The _actual_ mast stuff in the diagram Graham shared is likely fine. The shroud/forestay/backstay/bridle lengths may be very different because the different house and transom on a 'mach 1' M17 v the 'mach 2' in the PDF diagram. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 12:56 PM Leonardo J. Velazquez <leonardojve@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you very much Graham!
On Aug 16, 2018 at 2:43 PM, <Grahamtjr (mailto:grahamtjr@frontier.com)>
wrote:
Maybe this diagram can help. It is a later model than yours but may get
you in ball park.
Ok, thanks a lot for the information Jerry.
On Aug 16, 2018 at 6:45 PM, <Jerry (mailto:jerry@jerrymontgomery.org)> wrote:
Dave is right- the wires are of different lengths; turnbuckles and other hardware are of different lengths depending on manufacturers, and somewhere in the struggle I changed the mast length from 19'2.5" to 19'4, because my friend Ron Holder came out with his Vagabond 17, and to order them together, in larger quantities, we both compromised on length. I remember that our next order was for 5,000 lbs of masts, and we got them for under 50. each! Note that there has been a tremendous amount of inflation since then. I don't know if Sage is still in the rigging business since Dave left, but if they are they would do fine. Sage has my old swedging machine.
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 2:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: What are the specs of the mast for a 1974 Montgomery17? Thanks
The _actual_ mast stuff in the diagram Graham shared is likely fine. The shroud/forestay/backstay/bridle lengths may be very different because the different house and transom on a 'mach 1' M17 v the 'mach 2' in the PDF diagram.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 12:56 PM Leonardo J. Velazquez <leonardojve@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you very much Graham!
On Aug 16, 2018 at 2:43 PM, <Grahamtjr (mailto:grahamtjr@frontier.com)>
wrote:
Maybe this diagram can help. It is a later model than yours but may get
you in ball park.
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