Hello Montgomery Sailors, I finally bit the bullet and shelled out the dough y'day for a West Marine sailing harness and tether. The harness has double D rings, and the tether is double, one 3', the other 6'. My question to the group is to see what if any Monty sailors in the 15 or 17 sail with a harness, and if so, to see what on the boat they attach themselves to. I was out on the Choptank last year having the time of my life, literally, in my M15, on a galloping exhilarating beam reach, but felt a tad bit insecure not being connected to anything. If anyone's ever been tossed (out of the cockpit, into the deep, blue sea) feel free to relate your experience, with or without wearing a harness & tethered to boat. Thanks! - Brad
Buy a U fitting that bolts through a bulkhead. Mount it somewhere in the cockpit where it's convenient to your movements. Don't forget to use a backing plate on the inside. -----Original Message----- From: brad kurlancheek <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sat, Apr 7, 2018 7:49 am Subject: M_Boats: Sailing Harness & Tether Hello Montgomery Sailors, I finally bit the bullet and shelled out the dough y'day for a West Marine sailing harness and tether. The harness has double D rings, and the tether is double, one 3', the other 6'. My question to the group is to see what if any Monty sailors in the 15 or 17 sail with a harness, and if so, to see what on the boat they attach themselves to. I was out on the Choptank last year having the time of my life, literally, in my M15, on a galloping exhilarating beam reach, but felt a tad bit insecure not being connected to anything. If anyone's ever been tossed (out of the cockpit, into the deep, blue sea) feel free to relate your experience, with or without wearing a harness & tethered to boat. Thanks! - Brad
Hi Brad, I have a harness aboard, make sure whatever model you have you can detach yourself from the harness at your end of things. The two tailed harness will keep you aboard, even if the boat itself is sinking. Hence being able to free yourself from the boat at your end. When the weather pipes up I don't think to use the harness as the 17 has a deep cockpit, On my old Flicka I had a harness with bolt eyes afixed either side of the companionway so I could hook in before climbing out of the cabin, That location also allowed me to access every part of the cockpit. A jackline which I could snap into when necessary to go forward (not a great idea on a plunging M17) completed my foul weather getup. Of course the Coast Guard approved life jacket goes without saying. As long as you are thinking about personal safety, I trust you have devised a foolproof way to climb back into the boat. Fair winds, Tom B <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 9:48 AM, brad kurlancheek <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Montgomery Sailors, I finally bit the bullet and shelled out the dough y'day for a West Marine sailing harness and tether. The harness has double D rings, and the tether is double, one 3', the other 6'. My question to the group is to see what if any Monty sailors in the 15 or 17 sail with a harness, and if so, to see what on the boat they attach themselves to. I was out on the Choptank last year having the time of my life, literally, in my M15, on a galloping exhilarating beam reach, but felt a tad bit insecure not being connected to anything. If anyone's ever been tossed (out of the cockpit, into the deep, blue sea) feel free to relate your experience, with or without wearing a harness & tethered to boat. Thanks! - Brad
Hi Brad, On my M15 I ran a jack line through the bow cleat to both stern cleats using a 1" flat webbing. I could hook to either side and get on deck if needed. I only needed to get on deck to change over to a storm jib with a down haul. Thanks Doug Kelch On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 7:48 AM, brad kurlancheek <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Montgomery Sailors, I finally bit the bullet and shelled out the dough y'day for a West Marine sailing harness and tether. The harness has double D rings, and the tether is double, one 3', the other 6'. My question to the group is to see what if any Monty sailors in the 15 or 17 sail with a harness, and if so, to see what on the boat they attach themselves to. I was out on the Choptank last year having the time of my life, literally, in my M15, on a galloping exhilarating beam reach, but felt a tad bit insecure not being connected to anything. If anyone's ever been tossed (out of the cockpit, into the deep, blue sea) feel free to relate your experience, with or without wearing a harness & tethered to boat. Thanks! - Brad
Hi Brad, I single hand a lot of the time and have harness that I use religiously. I have two flat web jack lines (rated for this very purpose) that run from the aft leg of the pulpit back to the stern cleats on both sides of the boat. The through hole bolts at the pulpit are backed by thick stainless washers inside the cabin. The stern cleat is re-enforced on the underside of the u-joint with a 6 inch long 3/8 by 1/2 aluminum bar. The jack lines are attached at the pulpit via a through loop in the web, similarly a web loop is threaded through the underside gap of the stern clean and then back over both ends of the cleat. The web length is adjusted so the belly of the jack line at mid span sits about 8 inches below the toe railing. I have a 6ft tether on my harness with a good quality D Ring (an old mountaineering carabiner back from the days when I was young and immortal) that I clip onto the jack lines with. The rig pops me out 6ft back of the boat when I go overboard which is pretty much the max distance I would want to be from the boat. A final note the webbing degrades with UV and needs to be updated regularly depending on where you sail, up here in Vancouver I am thinking every 3 years or so ... Keith *Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.* *Burnaby, B.C. Canada* *Serenity, M17 #353* On 7 April 2018 at 07:48, brad kurlancheek <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Montgomery Sailors, I finally bit the bullet and shelled out the dough y'day for a West Marine sailing harness and tether. The harness has double D rings, and the tether is double, one 3', the other 6'. My question to the group is to see what if any Monty sailors in the 15 or 17 sail with a harness, and if so, to see what on the boat they attach themselves to. I was out on the Choptank last year having the time of my life, literally, in my M15, on a galloping exhilarating beam reach, but felt a tad bit insecure not being connected to anything. If anyone's ever been tossed (out of the cockpit, into the deep, blue sea) feel free to relate your experience, with or without wearing a harness & tethered to boat. Thanks! - Brad
On my M15 I use a harness and tether regularly. I just tie the heavy nylon docklines tight from the bow to stern cleats, and clip into that so I don't need any extra hardware or rigging. I tie the ends together in a continuous loop around the boat, so in the unlikely event a cleat ripped out of the deck, I would still remain attached to the boat. I think the main reason to use webbing instead of rope is it's supposed to be safer for stepping on, but the rope ends up running along the very outside edge of the boat, where you cannot really step on an M15 without it rolling excessively anyway. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 7:48:53 AM Subject: M_Boats: Sailing Harness & Tether Hello Montgomery Sailors, I finally bit the bullet and shelled out the dough y'day for a West Marine sailing harness and tether. The harness has double D rings, and the tether is double, one 3', the other 6'. My question to the group is to see what if any Monty sailors in the 15 or 17 sail with a harness, and if so, to see what on the boat they attach themselves to. I was out on the Choptank last year having the time of my life, literally, in my M15, on a galloping exhilarating beam reach, but felt a tad bit insecure not being connected to anything. If anyone's ever been tossed (out of the cockpit, into the deep, blue sea) feel free to relate your experience, with or without wearing a harness & tethered to boat. Thanks! - Brad
my tether is the same a 3' & 6' I have a heavy eye bolt attached to the bulkhead going into the cabin on the starboard side about 6" away from the CB line. As I have a roller fuller now (2 yr.) no need to go forward much unless the fuller jams (& it has). All other comments apply as well. George 96 M15 #602 Merry Helen II George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 3:17 PM, <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
On my M15 I use a harness and tether regularly. I just tie the heavy nylon docklines tight from the bow to stern cleats, and clip into that so I don't need any extra hardware or rigging. I tie the ends together in a continuous loop around the boat, so in the unlikely event a cleat ripped out of the deck, I would still remain attached to the boat.
I think the main reason to use webbing instead of rope is it's supposed to be safer for stepping on, but the rope ends up running along the very outside edge of the boat, where you cannot really step on an M15 without it rolling excessively anyway.
Sincerely, Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 7:48:53 AM Subject: M_Boats: Sailing Harness & Tether
Hello Montgomery Sailors, I finally bit the bullet and shelled out the dough y'day for a West Marine sailing harness and tether. The harness has double D rings, and the tether is double, one 3', the other 6'. My question to the group is to see what if any Monty sailors in the 15 or 17 sail with a harness, and if so, to see what on the boat they attach themselves to. I was out on the Choptank last year having the time of my life, literally, in my M15, on a galloping exhilarating beam reach, but felt a tad bit insecure not being connected to anything. If anyone's ever been tossed (out of the cockpit, into the deep, blue sea) feel free to relate your experience, with or without wearing a harness & tethered to boat. Thanks! - Brad
Falling overboard.... we have a friend whose mom was sailing with friends near nightfall and fell overboard--probably too many martinis. It took time to get that big boat turned around and they could not see her. She had no life jacket-- and they had had nothing to toss in to spot her by when she fell. However, she took off part of her bright pink bikini and waved it, and they found her. Could have been a very sad ending. Its all fun on the water until.... I went off a dock once and could barely make it back to land--cold water. It's like a belt around the chest. Life jackets dockside can be smart, too! Burt On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 4:49 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
my tether is the same a 3' & 6' I have a heavy eye bolt attached to the bulkhead going into the cabin on the starboard side about 6" away from the CB line. As I have a roller fuller now (2 yr.) no need to go forward much unless the fuller jams (& it has).
All other comments apply as well.
George 96 M15 #602 Merry Helen II
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 3:17 PM, <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
On my M15 I use a harness and tether regularly. I just tie the heavy nylon docklines tight from the bow to stern cleats, and clip into that so I don't need any extra hardware or rigging. I tie the ends together in a continuous loop around the boat, so in the unlikely event a cleat ripped out of the deck, I would still remain attached to the boat.
I think the main reason to use webbing instead of rope is it's supposed to be safer for stepping on, but the rope ends up running along the very outside edge of the boat, where you cannot really step on an M15 without it rolling excessively anyway.
Sincerely, Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 7:48:53 AM Subject: M_Boats: Sailing Harness & Tether
Hello Montgomery Sailors, I finally bit the bullet and shelled out the dough y'day for a West Marine sailing harness and tether. The harness has double D rings, and the tether is double, one 3', the other 6'. My question to the group is to see what if any Monty sailors in the 15 or 17 sail with a harness, and if so, to see what on the boat they attach themselves to. I was out on the Choptank last year having the time of my life, literally, in my M15, on a galloping exhilarating beam reach, but felt a tad bit insecure not being connected to anything. If anyone's ever been tossed (out of the cockpit, into the deep, blue sea) feel free to relate your experience, with or without wearing a harness & tethered to boat. Thanks! - Brad
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brad kurlancheek -
Burton Lowry -
casioqv＠usermail.com -
Douglas Kelch -
George Iemmolo -
Keith R. Martin -
Sandman -
Thomas Buzzi