Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay area Montgomery Sailors
Hi, I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right behind the house I never had a trailer. When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, and how long did it take. I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, Thanks for listening and kind regards, Richard Conn
HI Richard, It all depends on your definition of reasonable. Your M17 is quite capable of sailing from Pittsburg all the way to Alameda, with with an accomplished skipper, a 5 hp kicker and some careful planning, but.... It's at least 50, maybe more, nautical miles. That's a very long trip, with little to no wind in the morning and the wind on your nose in the afternoon (depending on what time of year you do it). I'd plan on taking several days to do it. It'll really help to plan it so the currents are helping not hindering you. ....And did I mention it's all upwind?!?!?!? Personally, I wouldn't call it "a reasonable sail". I'd call it a reasonable 5-10 day trip, with plenty of rest stops and a layover to recouperate. I'm not in good enough shape to sail for 8 hours a day for three or four days in a row. The other option is to tow the boat 40 miles across land to Alameda. Launch at Grand Street ramp in Alameda and sail/motor to your slip on the Estuary in under 30 minutes or under 2 hours to Ballena Bay on the south-west end of the island. Sail safe, Judy B Potter 19 and Catalina 27 Berthed in Alameda Sailing San Francisco Bay and Delta. Hyde Sails of Northern California www.judybsails.com judy@judybsails.com cell: 925.208.1692 fax: 925.820.2327 skype: judith.blumhorst www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com> To: mont boats <montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Subject: M_Boats: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay area Montgomery Sailors Hi, I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right behind the house I never had a trailer. When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, and how long did it take. I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, Thanks for listening and kind regards, Richard Conn
i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have strong tide caused current. the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have done/attempted.) 4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below). a 5HP is more than enough. i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP). more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard. i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com>
Hi,
I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right behind the house I never had a trailer. When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, and how long did it take. I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, Thanks for listening and kind regards, Richard Conn
Dave, I was surprised to read that you have sailed your M-17 on the waters of Puget Sound. I moved to the South Puget Sound area two years ago and towed my M-15 along after previously having had it on the fresh and cold water of Lake Couer D' Alene in Idaho. I heard admonishment from local boat owners about the damage the waters of Puget Sound can cause, and upon discovering that hull paint runs about $ 400 gallon, have taken the approach that scrubbing and rinsing with fresh water would be a less expensive approach. Have seen your Sage 17 on its trailer near waters of Puget Sound, but did not observe expensive hull paint. What do you do regarding protecting your boat from saltwater? Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb@blumhorst.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:39 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay area Montgomery Sailors
i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have strong tide caused current.
the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have done/attempted.)
4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below).
a 5HP is more than enough.
i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP).
more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard.
i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com>
Hi,
I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right behind the house I never had a trailer. When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, and how long did it take. I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, Thanks for listening and kind regards, Richard Conn
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"4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below)." By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft. -----Original Message----- From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Sent: 7/31/2014 10:42 AM To: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb@blumhorst.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay areaMontgomery Sailors i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have strong tide caused current. the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have done/attempted.) 4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below). a 5HP is more than enough. i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP). more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard. i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com>
Hi,
I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right behind the house I never had a trailer. When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, and how long did it take. I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, Thanks for listening and kind regards, Richard Conn
Henry. Received your Craigslist email. Motor does look like a short shaft. Hey short shaft outboard can be a challenge on an M 17 as it will cavitate in even a slight sea. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Aug 1, 2014 4:58 PM, "Henry Rodriguez" <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
"4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below)."
By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft.
-----Original Message----- From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Sent: 7/31/2014 10:42 AM To: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb@blumhorst.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay areaMontgomery Sailors
i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have strong tide caused current.
the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have done/attempted.)
4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below).
a 5HP is more than enough.
i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP).
more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard.
i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com>
Hi,
I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right behind the house I never had a trailer. When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, and how long did it take. I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, Thanks for listening and kind regards, Richard Conn
Ok, thanks! -----Original Message----- From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Sent: 8/3/2014 4:54 PM To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice or help needed from San Francisco BayareaMontgomery Sailors Henry. Received your Craigslist email. Motor does look like a short shaft. Hey short shaft outboard can be a challenge on an M 17 as it will cavitate in even a slight sea. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Aug 1, 2014 4:58 PM, "Henry Rodriguez" <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
"4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below)."
By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft.
-----Original Message----- From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Sent: 7/31/2014 10:42 AM To: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb@blumhorst.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay areaMontgomery Sailors
i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have strong tide caused current.
the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have done/attempted.)
4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below).
a 5HP is more than enough.
i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP).
more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard.
i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com>
Hi,
I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right behind the house I never had a trailer. When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, and how long did it take. I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, Thanks for listening and kind regards, Richard Conn
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