Robbin, Another option for a potty is my dandy dumper. It is a folding toilet with a plastic bag. You can see it on my site www.jowoodworks.com . Let me know if I can help. JohnJohn OwensJ O Woodworks903-894-6293870 CR 3812Troup, Texas 75789www.jowoodworks.comjohn@jowoodworks.com> From: montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 63, Issue 7> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 13:59:34 -0600> > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to> montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> > You can reach the person managing the list at> montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: Comfort and Joy (Tim Diebert)> 2. Re: Comfort and Joy (Saltm17@aol.com)> 3. Re: Comfort and Joy (Tim Diebert)> 4. Re: Single Line Reefing and Jib Downhaul (Tim Diebert)> 5. bimini for M-17 and potty (robbin roddewig)> 6. dangling motors (Tom Jenkins)> 7. Re: bimini for M-17 and potty (JDavies104@aol.com)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 07:17:06 -0700> From: "Tim Diebert" <tim@timtone.com>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'"> <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID: <007801c8ad28$5e3cd040$1ab670c0$@com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Now this is a technique I have never tried or even read about. I carry one> of those grapnel units as a second and will try this next time.> ThanksJim.> Tim D.> ---------------------> "Try this:> Drop a second anchor off the bow. Pay out very short scope (anchor > just touching the ground then a few feet more). The second anchor > should drag along and discourage the whole boat from wrenching back and > forth. This works best with one of those grapnel type dinghy anchors > (It actually works even better with a Hershoff anchor - but who carries > those anymore?)> Drawbacks:> 1) It can require frequent adjusting in areas with large tidal ranges > (or your second anchor will just dangle when the tide comes in).> 2) It doesn't work very well with Danforth type anchors.> 3) On some bottoms it just plain doesn't work.> I started using this technique on a boat that would tack at anchor so > badly that my crew threatened to sue for whiplash. I haven't anchored > out on my new M-17 so I don't know if it's necessary.> Jim Poulakis> "Spirit" M-17 #648"> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:40:58 EDT> From: Saltm17@aol.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <d4e.26aaf4d1.354de18a@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > Tim,> > I often anchor my M17 "Miss T" from the stern. I drop the anchor from the > stern while comming in to the spot I want to anchor and once it is set and the > right amount of scope is out, I tie the anchor line to the stern cleat, then > take the rest of the anchor line outside of the shrouds, fair lead it around > the pulpit and tie it off to the main cleat. That way if the wind and waves > get up during the night, I can just uncleat the line from the stern, the boat > pivots and I have automatically added 17 feet to the scope.> > John > > > **************> Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on > family favorites at AOL Food.> > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 06:56:53 -0700> From: "Tim Diebert" <tim@timtone.com>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'"> <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID: <005101c8adee$b6394f50$22abedf0$@com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Now why didn't I think of that!> Thanks John.> > -----Original Message-----> From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of> Saltm17@aol.com> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 8:41 AM> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> > Tim,> > I often anchor my M17 "Miss T" from the stern. I drop the anchor from the > stern while comming in to the spot I want to anchor and once it is set and> the > right amount of scope is out, I tie the anchor line to the stern cleat, then> > take the rest of the anchor line outside of the shrouds, fair lead it around> > the pulpit and tie it off to the main cleat. That way if the wind and> waves > get up during the night, I can just uncleat the line from the stern, the> boat > pivots and I have automatically added 17 feet to the scope.> > John > > > **************> Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on > family favorites at AOL Food.> > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 5/2/2008> 4:34 PM> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 07:15:37 -0700> From: "Tim Diebert" <tim@timtone.com>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Single Line Reefing and Jib Downhaul> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'"> <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID: <005201c8adf1$5384e100$fa8ea300$@com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Tom said: "As always, though, I have additional questions. You put all the> first reef> gear to starboard and the second reef to port, requiring some type of> anchoring devices in the tack cringles. Is there a reason why the reefing> line could not go through the double block on the starboard side, through> the tack cringle, down to the other double, and aft to the block, the clew> cringle and the starboard padeye? "> > >Yes, you could do that. It works perfectly for a single set. > But the issue arrises with wanting to have two sets and as little hardware> as possible.> If you had a double on either either side of the boom forward(as there is> now)> ...you could utilize one shiv of the double for the first and the other for> the 2nd> .....but then you would have two different lines with two different> functions on > each double. I have found that by isolating the lines they are easier to> keep > clear and sorted. Once reefed even one in there is loose sail and the 2nd> set> of reef lines to deal with. Having all the lines and gear on one side seems> to> help me keep it straight. Pulling down on one side of the tack does tend to> twist> the boom a bit...but there is no issue with sail shape or performance.> > Anyway, your boat is obviously loaded for bear. Do you even have a full set> of lifelines?> > >The boat is not quite where I would like it yet but thanks. PUFF came with> lifelines> (and the name...)> The jury is out on these. Some days I find them handy....other days they> seem> completely in the way and even a bit dangerous. The boat is pretty small to> close in> side decks like that. But when you are sitting on the foredeck with your> legs straddling > the bow trying to change down sail in larger waves, those lines are mightly> handy. For > those days alone is why they remain. > > Thanks again for your great information.> > >My pleasure. I hope it helps. Give and get.> > Sunny and warm today, I am off to sail.> > Cheers, Tim in BC.> ========================================> > Tom Jenkins> M17 Scintilla> > -----Original Message-----> From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tim> Diebert> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 8:43 AM> To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'> Subject: M_Boats: Single Line Reefing and Jib Downhaul> > For whoever was interested in this two reef single line system and the jib> downhaul I use.> Images and explanation posted to a web page here> <http://www.timtone.com/monty/singlelinereefing.htm> .> > I hope this helps.> > Have a great weekend all.> > Cheers, Tim D. in BC.> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1404 - Release Date: 4/29/2008> 6:27 PM> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 13:46:54 -0400> From: robbin roddewig <robbin.roddewig@verizon.net>> Subject: M_Boats: bimini for M-17 and potty> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID: <481DF68E.1050706@verizon.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> > Listers,> I have been asked by the admiral to look into the installation of a > Bimini on the flag ship of the fleet, my M-17. I do not see any other > examples of 17's with a Bimini and I could not see where Bob Eeg offers > this as an option on the new boats. Has anyone done this, considered > this or are there good reasons I am not seeing other examples?> > Does anyone else have a built in head? I have avoided the thing since I > purchased the boat (on the general philosophy of ignorance is bliss) but > may want to use it in the upcoming Chesapeake Bay cruise. Any advice on > this rather indelicate topic? Looked like West Marine had some stuff to > put in the tank, which I am assuming it has since there is a vent and a > pump out fitting with hoses attached going to the deck. Will the head > go back to inert once it is pumped out? Should I consider a portable > replacement?> > Thanks in advance,> Robbin> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 12:29:31 -0700> From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk@gte.net>> Subject: M_Boats: dangling motors> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"> <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID: <0K0C00HGTZHF8PT1@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Montgomery people,> > On occasion, raising even a Honda 5 onto the outboard bracket of a 17 seems> threatening to the skeleton, so I am wondering if any of you with a 21st> century M17 leaves the iron jib in place while traveling. The transom and> bracket look strong, but I certainly would not want to compromise any of> that nice fiberglass. > > Sorry if this has been discussed already.> > Thanks,> > Tom Jenkins> > M17 Scintilla (2004) > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 15:59:24 EDT> From: JDavies104@aol.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: bimini for M-17 and potty> To: robbin.roddewig@verizon.net, montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <be9.30bf8375.354f6f9c@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > Robbin,> > There was a thread on this delicate subject back I think in December, and > based on what I learned then, and following Doug Kelch's lead, I have bought (for > the same cruise) a Pett dry toilet system, which seems to have a lot of > advantages over the standard porta-potti. If you are thinking of replacing your > built-in, you may want to consider it. Lots of information online on the > system, which uses zipper bags pre-filled with chemicals which process the > material into a semi-solid form which can legally be dumped into any trash bin. No > flushing, no tank to dump, and no necessity to scout for dumping facilities. > I found also that when the legs are removed it fits solidly into the > starboard v-berth storage hatch opening. It's not flush with the surround, but can > easily be closed and stored when not in use. Full disclosure - I haven't used > it yet, but plan to test it out (informally, of course) sometime before the > cruise.> > Rick Davies> M-17 Lynne L #633> > PS It's also cheaper than a porta-potti. > > > **************> Wondering what's for > Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food.> > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)> > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> montgomery_boats mailing list> montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 63, Issue 7> *********************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_...