Alright, I have the rudder and tiller on my M17 sanded down to bare wood. Have read the threads on refinishing, but have not seen anyone talk about using stain and varnish to any extent. Will a stain and two or three coats of varnish survive below the waterline on a slipped M17 that has the rudder placed in the cabin when not sailing? I see a lot of warnings on various varnishs about "not for use below the waterline." Does this mean any time or for extended exposure to water? Any inputs on varnish and stain would be helpful. Thanks! Mike Huffine _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx
Hi Mike, I don't have any experience with stains but I don't *think* they would have any bearing on it. Varnish should hold up fine for immersion up to at least a week at a time....never had any problem with my Thistle rudder which was varnished and it spent over a week immersed before with no ill effects. If you are concerned, you might coat it with epoxy before varnishing it...the epoxy protecting the rudder and the varnish protecting the epoxy. (epoxy degrades in UV) Tod Mills M17 #408 BuscaBrisas http://www.bright.net/~htmills -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Michael Huffine Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:15 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Rudder Refinishing Alright, I have the rudder and tiller on my M17 sanded down to bare wood. Have read the threads on refinishing, but have not seen anyone talk about using stain and varnish to any extent. Will a stain and two or three coats of varnish survive below the waterline on a slipped M17 that has the rudder placed in the cabin when not sailing? I see a lot of warnings on various varnishs about "not for use below the waterline." Does this mean any time or for extended exposure to water? Any inputs on varnish and stain would be helpful. Thanks! Mike Huffine _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Mike, I agree with Tod. Epoxy the rudder then varnish. The rudder on Grace is finished this way and her rudder would spend up to 4 months in the water without a break. I do re-varnish every winter. Her rudder is beautiful all the time. Mark Dvorscak -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+edarts93=earthlink.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+edarts93=earthlink.net@mailman.xmission .com] On Behalf Of Michael Huffine Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 7:15 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Rudder Refinishing Alright, I have the rudder and tiller on my M17 sanded down to bare wood. Have read the threads on refinishing, but have not seen anyone talk about using stain and varnish to any extent. Will a stain and two or three coats of varnish survive below the waterline on a slipped M17 that has the rudder placed in the cabin when not sailing? I see a lot of warnings on various varnishs about "not for use below the waterline." Does this mean any time or for extended exposure to water? Any inputs on varnish and stain would be helpful. Thanks! Mike Huffine _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Mark: What brand and type of varnish do you use? I'm also wondering if topsides paint would work for temporary underwater applications....such as on the servo oar for my wind vane. On 2/24/04 10:09 PM, "Roberta Dvorscak" <edarts93@earthlink.net> wrote:
Mike, I agree with Tod. Epoxy the rudder then varnish. The rudder on Grace is finished this way and her rudder would spend up to 4 months in the water without a break. I do re-varnish every winter. Her rudder is beautiful all the time. Mark Dvorscak
I use Epiphanes brand varnish. I don't know about topside paint underwater, but I suppose almost anything would work for a while at least. Mark Dvorscak -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+edarts93=earthlink.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+edarts93=earthlink.net@mailman.xmission .com] On Behalf Of Howard Audsley Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 2:54 AM To: edarts93@earthlink.net, For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rudder Refinishing Mark: What brand and type of varnish do you use? I'm also wondering if topsides paint would work for temporary underwater applications....such as on the servo oar for my wind vane.
Mark: There are at least two types of Epiphanes. Clear gloss and Woodfinish gloss. They are not the same thing. Which one have you used? (both say they are not to be used underwater). Howard On 2/25/04 9:12 PM, "Roberta Dvorscak" <edarts93@earthlink.net> wrote:
I use Epiphanes brand varnish. I don't know about topside paint underwater, but I suppose almost anything would work for a while at least. Mark Dvorscak
I appear to really be out of the loop, but I teak oil Endelig's rudder. As she seldom spends more than a day at a time in the water, the oil provides good protection and is very easy to maintain. A little oil on a rag during cleanup and the rudder is protected. I do use spar varnish on the tiller. Bill, M-17 #279 Endelig
Mike, I use varnish and store the rudder dry. From my experience, It should last at least 3 or 4 years. I did add some epoxy to the bottom fifth, the "wear" area that occasionally contacts mud or sand. Bill Riker M15 #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Roberta Dvorscak Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:09 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: Rudder Refinishing Mike, I agree with Tod. Epoxy the rudder then varnish. The rudder on Grace is finished this way and her rudder would spend up to 4 months in the water without a break. I do re-varnish every winter. Her rudder is beautiful all the time. Mark Dvorscak -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+edarts93=earthlink.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+edarts93=earthlink.net@mailman.xmission .com] On Behalf Of Michael Huffine Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 7:15 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Rudder Refinishing Alright, I have the rudder and tiller on my M17 sanded down to bare wood. Have read the threads on refinishing, but have not seen anyone talk about using stain and varnish to any extent. Will a stain and two or three coats of varnish survive below the waterline on a slipped M17 that has the rudder placed in the cabin when not sailing? I see a lot of warnings on various varnishs about "not for use below the waterline." Does this mean any time or for extended exposure to water? Any inputs on varnish and stain would be helpful. Thanks! Mike Huffine _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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