Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
Thomas are you in Corpus Christi? Gilbert M-17 1974 On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
-- Gilbert Landin cell 774-7106
Hi Gilbert, No but just up the road in Rockport. I take it you live in CC? That would be great. Regards, Tom B On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Gilbert Landin <gilbert.landin@gmail.com>wrote:
Thomas are you in Corpus Christi?
Gilbert M-17 1974
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com
wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
-- Gilbert Landin cell 774-7106
I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use. I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar. Thanks Doug On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
I agree, KISS, keep it simple, sailor. M-Boats work on the KISS principle, keep them that way. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Kelch" <doug1kelch@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:24 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use.
I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar.
Thanks
Doug
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
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I bought an iPad mini, a BadElf GPS plugin for it, and the Navionics app for the US and Canada. That gives me charts, knot meter, ease of use, and a lot more for less $ than a charting stand-alone GPS. The Navionics app works on my iPhone too at no added cost. ~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-) On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:33 AM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I agree, KISS, keep it simple, sailor. M-Boats work on the KISS principle, keep them that way. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Kelch" <doug1kelch@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:24 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use.
I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar.
Thanks
Doug
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
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Hi Gary, Whoa, you are talking to a guy who used a slide rule in highschool and college to do his math problems. I haven't had much luck graduating to this new fangled stuff. Your closing here is clever. Tom B On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:44 AM, GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
I bought an iPad mini, a BadElf GPS plugin for it, and the Navionics app for the US and Canada. That gives me charts, knot meter, ease of use, and a lot more for less $ than a charting stand-alone GPS. The Navionics app works on my iPhone too at no added cost.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:33 AM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I agree, KISS, keep it simple, sailor. M-Boats work on the KISS principle, keep them that way. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Kelch" <doug1kelch@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:24 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use.
I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar.
Thanks
Doug
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
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Gary, My iPhone and iPad have built-in GPS, as I assume is the case for your mini. What does the BadElf give you in addition? I have Navionics on both my machines, but the apparent lack of a compass is annoying. At least on my old Garmin, I can follow the compass to a series of waypoints. Tom On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:44 AM, GARY M HYDE wrote:
I bought an iPad mini, a BadElf GPS plugin for it, and the Navionics app for the US and Canada. That gives me charts, knot meter, ease of use, and a lot more for less $ than a charting stand-alone GPS. The Navionics app works on my iPhone too at no added cost.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:33 AM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I agree, KISS, keep it simple, sailor. M-Boats work on the KISS principle, keep them that way. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Kelch" <doug1kelch@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:24 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use.
I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar.
Thanks
Doug
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
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Hi Doug, Thanks for the ideas. The gps doing double duty sounds good but I would rather have a continuous readout for the depth. There is a lot of thin water around Rockport, Tx. and crunching onto a shell bar is quite surprising. When I used to run aground on the shifting muck in Galveston Bay is was just a sploosh type landing. Regards, Tom B On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Douglas Kelch <doug1kelch@gmail.com> wrote:
I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use.
I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar.
Thanks
Doug
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com
wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
remember, at best, the depth unit will only be reading 1/2 or so boat length ahead when in shallow water ... and this is if you are able to fiddle the unit to read that far forward with an install under the v-berth. (a transom mount, which is the least expensive, is of little help.) in areas where shoaling is gradual a depth sounder can help as you have time to respond. if the shallowing is a steep sided bar by the time you know it is to shallow you have already hit. some goes for an obstruction, like a rock or old piling. just my POV on 'sounders'. for speed, like others have already stated, i use a handheld GPS. had a 'speed stick' that came with my old M15. used it a few times to 'see how it worked'. found it to be more trouble than it was worth. (i think a speed stick would be great if you launch and let it run for days ... like on a long passage.) i use the GPS primarily for speed and secondary for navigation. i rely on paper charts and a hand bearing compass as the primary tools to find my location and where i'm going. my M17 also has a bulkhead compass for direction of travel. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred --- On Thu, 2/28/13, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Doug, Thanks for the ideas. The gps doing double duty sounds good but I would rather have a continuous readout for the depth. There is a lot of thin water around Rockport, Tx. and crunching onto a shell bar is quite surprising. When I used to run aground on the shifting muck in Galveston Bay is was just a sploosh type landing.
Regards, Tom B
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Douglas Kelch <doug1kelch@gmail.com> wrote:
I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use.
I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar.
Thanks
Doug
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com
wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
Thanks for the info, Dave. I know the depth meter won't give a whole lot of warning but it will keep me from imagining all types of thin water all around. Just me. Hopefully the bars will slope some. It is really a peace of mind type thing. I will look into getting a gps. My last one was steam powered. Tom B On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:17 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
remember, at best, the depth unit will only be reading 1/2 or so boat length ahead when in shallow water ... and this is if you are able to fiddle the unit to read that far forward with an install under the v-berth. (a transom mount, which is the least expensive, is of little help.)
in areas where shoaling is gradual a depth sounder can help as you have time to respond.
if the shallowing is a steep sided bar by the time you know it is to shallow you have already hit. some goes for an obstruction, like a rock or old piling.
just my POV on 'sounders'.
for speed, like others have already stated, i use a handheld GPS. had a 'speed stick' that came with my old M15. used it a few times to 'see how it worked'. found it to be more trouble than it was worth. (i think a speed stick would be great if you launch and let it run for days ... like on a long passage.)
i use the GPS primarily for speed and secondary for navigation. i rely on paper charts and a hand bearing compass as the primary tools to find my location and where i'm going. my M17 also has a bulkhead compass for direction of travel.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred
--- On Thu, 2/28/13, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Doug, Thanks for the ideas. The gps doing double duty sounds good but I would rather have a continuous readout for the depth. There is a lot of thin water around Rockport, Tx. and crunching onto a shell bar is quite surprising. When I used to run aground on the shifting muck in Galveston Bay is was just a sploosh type landing.
Regards, Tom B
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Douglas Kelch <doug1kelch@gmail.com> wrote:
I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use.
I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar.
Thanks
Doug
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com
wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
Captain Doug, I don't know what a "lead" line is. Please explain. ----Larry Old 189 M-15 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Kelch Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:25 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps. I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use. I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar. Thanks Doug On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
Lead lines are sort of like a sliderule to check depth, guess having used them sort of dates us senior sailors. A lead line is a simple length of rope, weighted (usually with lead), hold one end firmly in one hand, toss the weighted end overboard with the other. It will sink to the bottom, then pull it out and look to see how deep it went to get to the bottom, and you have the depth. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hughston, Larry@DGS" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:12 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps. Captain Doug, I don't know what a "lead" line is. Please explain. ----Larry Old 189 M-15 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Kelch Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:25 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps. I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use. I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar. Thanks Doug On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
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They also had an indent in the bottom of them that could be filled with beeswax. When the lead hit the bottom and was then retrieved it brought up a sample of what the bottom was made of. One senior sailor to another. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:30 AM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Lead lines are sort of like a sliderule to check depth, guess having used them sort of dates us senior sailors. A lead line is a simple length of rope, weighted (usually with lead), hold one end firmly in one hand, toss the weighted end overboard with the other. It will sink to the bottom, then pull it out and look to see how deep it went to get to the bottom, and you have the depth. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hughston, Larry@DGS" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:12 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
Captain Doug, I don't know what a "lead" line is. Please explain. ----Larry Old 189 M-15
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Kelch Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:25 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use.
I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar.
Thanks
Doug
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com
wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
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Using the lead line is also a good crew job for the grandkid, have him (or her) go forward to the bow pulpit to use the line and also look out for rocks and stumps, sunken derelict powerboats, and such. Grandkids can yell loud enough to be heard, and they like the adventure of having a task to perform. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:57 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
They also had an indent in the bottom of them that could be filled with beeswax. When the lead hit the bottom and was then retrieved it brought up a sample of what the bottom was made of. One senior sailor to another.
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:30 AM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Lead lines are sort of like a sliderule to check depth, guess having used them sort of dates us senior sailors. A lead line is a simple length of rope, weighted (usually with lead), hold one end firmly in one hand, toss the weighted end overboard with the other. It will sink to the bottom, then pull it out and look to see how deep it went to get to the bottom, and you have the depth. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hughston, Larry@DGS" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:12 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
Captain Doug, I don't know what a "lead" line is. Please explain. ----Larry Old 189 M-15
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Kelch Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:25 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use.
I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar.
Thanks
Doug
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com
wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
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I use the lead line w/ wax when I'm in deeper water to see what the bottom is made out of. But for a quick test of depth, I have a piece of 1/2" bamboo that is just wide enough to fit on the stern cockpit seat. It doesn't take up any space. I just reachover the side and take a sounding. It's easier than my boat hook because it is filled with foam so that it float. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Buzzi To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:57 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps. They also had an indent in the bottom of them that could be filled with beeswax. When the lead hit the bottom and was then retrieved it brought up a sample of what the bottom was made of. One senior sailor to another. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:30 AM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Lead lines are sort of like a sliderule to check depth, guess having used them sort of dates us senior sailors. A lead line is a simple length of rope, weighted (usually with lead), hold one end firmly in one hand, toss the weighted end overboard with the other. It will sink to the bottom, then pull it out and look to see how deep it went to get to the bottom, and you have the depth. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hughston, Larry@DGS" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:12 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
Captain Doug, I don't know what a "lead" line is. Please explain. ----Larry Old 189 M-15
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Kelch Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:25 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use.
I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar.
Thanks
Doug
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com
wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
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I use a Garmin GPS Sounder, primarily as a knot meter on local waters, and also for navigation when I travel. Something reassuring about pointing the bow towards a distant navaid that is 20 miles over the horizon and tracking straight to it and with an ETA being updated every step of the way. I always have paper charts and check the compass, but the GPS navigation has been flawless. Not only that, if you are able to read the sounder function correctly, it will tell you not only the depth to bottom, but also some notion of the bottom content, which is handy when looking for a place to anchor. But Dave is also right that in shoaling waters, there may not be much advance warning you are about to hit bottom, but that is no different than any other system. With the sounder function, you can even set the depth at which an audible warning sounds, so even if you are tooling along half asleep, the audible warning will alert you to trouble. Mine is an older version. The newer ones include digital charts that depict depth contours, so you can verify where you are and have a double reference......chart and depth sounder, to give you some indication of the water depth beneath you and what is in front of you. Combined with a compass, the GPS is also handy to give you some idea of the amount of leeway you are making. The one I have also includes graphs of tide changes for local waters. Can't tell you how handy that is in tidal waters. The GPS has also proven time and again that the Horizon knotmeter that is mounted through the hull of my boat, with gauge on the aft cabin bulkhead, is useless. I have not pulled the cover off that in over two years. It, nor the older unit it replaced, have every worked correctly.
Howard, You would make a good salesman. Nothing like speaking from first hand experience. Falling sleep stirred a scary memory for me. I was headed across Galveston Bay one afternoon, the sun was making me drowsy. I had the Autohelm set and before I knew it I was awakened by a gentle nudge as the boat came to rest against a mud bar. Regaining my senses I realized I had sailed right across the Houston Ship Channel which is one of the busiest in the nation. Those big boats cannot swerve to avoid a collision even if they tried to. Somehow being a sailboat and having the right of way wouldn't mean much in that circumstance. Actually commercial vessels always have the right of way over private stick and rag people. I will look into the latest Garmin GPS models. I had one of those about 20 years ago and learned to use it by walking around a parking lot. It even recorded my meandering route on the asphalt. Very impressive. Tom B...M17 On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Howard Audsley <haudsley@tranquility.net>wrote:
I use a Garmin GPS Sounder, primarily as a knot meter on local waters, and also for navigation when I travel. Something reassuring about pointing the bow towards a distant navaid that is 20 miles over the horizon and tracking straight to it and with an ETA being updated every step of the way. I always have paper charts and check the compass, but the GPS navigation has been flawless.
Not only that, if you are able to read the sounder function correctly, it will tell you not only the depth to bottom, but also some notion of the bottom content, which is handy when looking for a place to anchor. But Dave is also right that in shoaling waters, there may not be much advance warning you are about to hit bottom, but that is no different than any other system. With the sounder function, you can even set the depth at which an audible warning sounds, so even if you are tooling along half asleep, the audible warning will alert you to trouble. Mine is an older version. The newer ones include digital charts that depict depth contours, so you can verify where you are and have a double reference......chart and depth sounder, to give you some indication of the water depth beneath you and what is in front of you.
Combined with a compass, the GPS is also handy to give you some idea of the amount of leeway you are making. The one I have also includes graphs of tide changes for local waters. Can't tell you how handy that is in tidal waters.
The GPS has also proven time and again that the Horizon knotmeter that is mounted through the hull of my boat, with gauge on the aft cabin bulkhead, is useless. I have not pulled the cover off that in over two years. It, nor the older unit it replaced, have every worked correctly.
That is a neat idea. Have you felt the need to put some kind of tape band on it to indicate the draw of your boat? Tom B M17 On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I use the lead line w/ wax when I'm in deeper water to see what the bottom is made out of. But for a quick test of depth, I have a piece of 1/2" bamboo that is just wide enough to fit on the stern cockpit seat. It doesn't take up any space. I just reachover the side and take a sounding. It's easier than my boat hook because it is filled with foam so that it float. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Buzzi To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:57 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
They also had an indent in the bottom of them that could be filled with beeswax. When the lead hit the bottom and was then retrieved it brought up a sample of what the bottom was made of. One senior sailor to another.
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:30 AM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Lead lines are sort of like a sliderule to check depth, guess
having
used them sort of dates us senior sailors. A lead line is a simple length of rope, weighted (usually with lead), hold one end firmly in one hand, toss the weighted end overboard with the other. It will sink to the bottom, then pull it out and look to see how deep it went to get to the bottom, and you have the depth. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hughston, Larry@DGS" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:12 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
Captain Doug, I don't know what a "lead" line is. Please explain. ----Larry Old 189 M-15
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Kelch Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:25 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use.
I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar.
Thanks
Doug
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com
wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
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Oh,yeah. I forgot to mention that I painted a one inch stripe around the stick with some of my daughter's day glo hot pink nail polish. It reflects very well at night. I forgot to mention that when I cut the bamboo, I left about an inch of exposed hollow part that I stab into the bottom to see what it looks like. Has anyone tried the hand held depth sounders?? Joe SeaFrog ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Buzzi To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps. That is a neat idea. Have you felt the need to put some kind of tape band on it to indicate the draw of your boat? Tom B M17 On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I use the lead line w/ wax when I'm in deeper water to see what the bottom is made out of. But for a quick test of depth, I have a piece of 1/2" bamboo that is just wide enough to fit on the stern cockpit seat. It doesn't take up any space. I just reachover the side and take a sounding. It's easier than my boat hook because it is filled with foam so that it float. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Buzzi To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:57 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
They also had an indent in the bottom of them that could be filled with beeswax. When the lead hit the bottom and was then retrieved it brought up a sample of what the bottom was made of. One senior sailor to another.
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:30 AM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Lead lines are sort of like a sliderule to check depth, guess
having
used them sort of dates us senior sailors. A lead line is a simple length of rope, weighted (usually with lead), hold one end firmly in one hand, toss the weighted end overboard with the other. It will sink to the bottom, then pull it out and look to see how deep it went to get to the bottom, and you have the depth. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hughston, Larry@DGS" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:12 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
Captain Doug, I don't know what a "lead" line is. Please explain. ----Larry Old 189 M-15
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Kelch Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:25 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use.
I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar.
Thanks
Doug
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com
wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
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Joe, I have a hand held depth sounder (looks like a flashlight) that works fine when the boat is stationary (e.g., for anchoring), but it is tricky to reach over and take a reading when you are on the tiller and moving. Perfect if you have a crew member that is not busy with other stuff. Tom M17 Scintilla On Mar 1, 2013, at 9:43 AM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Oh,yeah. I forgot to mention that I painted a one inch stripe around the stick with some of my daughter's day glo hot pink nail polish. It reflects very well at night. I forgot to mention that when I cut the bamboo, I left about an inch of exposed hollow part that I stab into the bottom to see what it looks like. Has anyone tried the hand held depth sounders?? Joe SeaFrog ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Buzzi To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
That is a neat idea. Have you felt the need to put some kind of tape band on it to indicate the draw of your boat? Tom B M17
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I use the lead line w/ wax when I'm in deeper water to see what the bottom is made out of. But for a quick test of depth, I have a piece of 1/2" bamboo that is just wide enough to fit on the stern cockpit seat. It doesn't take up any space. I just reachover the side and take a sounding. It's easier than my boat hook because it is filled with foam so that it float. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Buzzi To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:57 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
They also had an indent in the bottom of them that could be filled with beeswax. When the lead hit the bottom and was then retrieved it brought up a sample of what the bottom was made of. One senior sailor to another.
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:30 AM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Lead lines are sort of like a sliderule to check depth, guess having used them sort of dates us senior sailors. A lead line is a simple length of rope, weighted (usually with lead), hold one end firmly in one hand, toss the weighted end overboard with the other. It will sink to the bottom, then pull it out and look to see how deep it went to get to the bottom, and you have the depth. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hughston, Larry@DGS" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:12 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
Captain Doug, I don't know what a "lead" line is. Please explain. ----Larry Old 189 M-15
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Kelch Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:25 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use.
I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar.
Thanks
Doug
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com
wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
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Sounds like high tech stuff. Especially the dayglow nailpolish. Nice tip. On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Oh,yeah. I forgot to mention that I painted a one inch stripe around the stick with some of my daughter's day glo hot pink nail polish. It reflects very well at night. I forgot to mention that when I cut the bamboo, I left about an inch of exposed hollow part that I stab into the bottom to see what it looks like. Has anyone tried the hand held depth sounders?? Joe SeaFrog ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Buzzi To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
That is a neat idea. Have you felt the need to put some kind of tape band on it to indicate the draw of your boat? Tom B M17
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I use the lead line w/ wax when I'm in deeper water to see what the bottom is made out of. But for a quick test of depth, I have a piece of 1/2" bamboo that is just wide enough to fit on the stern cockpit seat. It doesn't take up any space. I just reachover the side and take a sounding. It's easier than my boat hook because it is filled with foam so that it float. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Buzzi To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:57 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
They also had an indent in the bottom of them that could be filled with beeswax. When the lead hit the bottom and was then retrieved it brought up a sample of what the bottom was made of. One senior sailor to another.
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:30 AM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Lead lines are sort of like a sliderule to check depth, guess
having
used them sort of dates us senior sailors. A lead line is a simple length of rope, weighted (usually with lead), hold one end firmly in one hand, toss the weighted end overboard with the other. It will sink to the bottom, then pull it out and look to see how deep it went to get to the bottom, and you have the depth. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hughston, Larry@DGS" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:12 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
Captain Doug, I don't know what a "lead" line is. Please explain. ----Larry Old 189 M-15
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Kelch Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:25 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use.
I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar.
Thanks
Doug
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi < thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com
wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
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On 28-Feb-13 11:30 AM, stevetrapp wrote: The lead line on my M15 was about 25 feet long with a few knots added for quick depth reference; 5 feet, 10 feet, 15 feet... As weight at the bottom end I just used a big shackle that I had lying around. It did the job very nicely when needed (very seldom, but it was good to have available) On FUN TOO, sailing in much deeper waters, I had a real lead line (25 meters long) with a heavy lead weight - hollowed on the bottom - for some tallow. The tallow picked up a bottom sample that gave you an indication of the composition of the bottom. This information is needed for successful anchoring in strange places. With the excessively deep draft of an M15, a boat hook held over the side should be all you really need if the water isn't clear. Connie PS. I also belong to the old slide rule users generation, and I always had a nice plastic log/log/deci trig slide rule on board FUN TOO. Slide rules always work; need no batteries; and aren't harmed by the occasional little salt water rinse. I also navigated using a sextant, or CONSOL signals in Europe. (years before GPS was invented)
Lead lines are sort of like a sliderule to check depth, guess having used them sort of dates us senior sailors. A lead line is a simple length of rope, weighted (usually with lead), hold one end firmly in one hand, toss the weighted end overboard with the other. It will sink to the bottom, then pull it out and look to see how deep it went to get to the bottom, and you have the depth. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hughston, Larry@DGS" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:12 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
Captain Doug, I don't know what a "lead" line is. Please explain. ----Larry Old 189 M-15
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Kelch Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:25 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use.
I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar.
Thanks
Doug
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
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Just like the term "Mark Twain" used by the steam boats on the Mississippi. Sounds like you would need another shipmate to make that work...Larry -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of stevetrapp Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:30 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps. Lead lines are sort of like a sliderule to check depth, guess having used them sort of dates us senior sailors. A lead line is a simple length of rope, weighted (usually with lead), hold one end firmly in one hand, toss the weighted end overboard with the other. It will sink to the bottom, then pull it out and look to see how deep it went to get to the bottom, and you have the depth. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hughston, Larry@DGS" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:12 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps. Captain Doug, I don't know what a "lead" line is. Please explain. ----Larry Old 189 M-15 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Kelch Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:25 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps. I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use. I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar. Thanks Doug On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
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Always, I have found there is no fun in solo sailing, I know some folks thrive as solo sailors, but not me. I like to have a crew person along for companionship and share the fun of sailing, and usually the companion enjoys it more if they actively participate as crew rather simply a passive passenger. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hughston, Larry@DGS" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:29 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps. Just like the term "Mark Twain" used by the steam boats on the Mississippi. Sounds like you would need another shipmate to make that work...Larry -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of stevetrapp Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:30 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps. Lead lines are sort of like a sliderule to check depth, guess having used them sort of dates us senior sailors. A lead line is a simple length of rope, weighted (usually with lead), hold one end firmly in one hand, toss the weighted end overboard with the other. It will sink to the bottom, then pull it out and look to see how deep it went to get to the bottom, and you have the depth. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hughston, Larry@DGS" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:12 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps. Captain Doug, I don't know what a "lead" line is. Please explain. ----Larry Old 189 M-15 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Kelch Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:25 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps. I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use. I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar. Thanks Doug On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
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Could not agree more. Makes a big hit with the fairer sex. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:07 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Always, I have found there is no fun in solo sailing, I know some folks thrive as solo sailors, but not me. I like to have a crew person along for companionship and share the fun of sailing, and usually the companion enjoys it more if they actively participate as crew rather simply a passive passenger. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hughston, Larry@DGS" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:29 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
Just like the term "Mark Twain" used by the steam boats on the Mississippi. Sounds like you would need another shipmate to make that work...Larry
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of stevetrapp Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:30 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
Lead lines are sort of like a sliderule to check depth, guess having used them sort of dates us senior sailors. A lead line is a simple length of rope, weighted (usually with lead), hold one end firmly in one hand, toss the weighted end overboard with the other. It will sink to the bottom, then pull it out and look to see how deep it went to get to the bottom, and you have the depth. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hughston, Larry@DGS" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:12 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
Captain Doug, I don't know what a "lead" line is. Please explain. ----Larry Old 189 M-15
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Kelch Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:25 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps.
I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use.
I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar.
Thanks
Doug
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com
wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
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Thanks, from a "limited experience" sailor. ---Larry in Old 189 M-15 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of stevetrapp Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:30 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps. Lead lines are sort of like a sliderule to check depth, guess having used them sort of dates us senior sailors. A lead line is a simple length of rope, weighted (usually with lead), hold one end firmly in one hand, toss the weighted end overboard with the other. It will sink to the bottom, then pull it out and look to see how deep it went to get to the bottom, and you have the depth. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hughston, Larry@DGS" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:12 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps. Captain Doug, I don't know what a "lead" line is. Please explain. ----Larry Old 189 M-15 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Kelch Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:25 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Compass, knot, depth gauges, gps. I just use a hand held gps as double duty for a knot meter and gps. I do have a fixed mount compass and keep an old fashioned lead line for occasional use. I sail shallow draft boats, 2 ft 11 inch draft board/keel down and donot worry much about the depth while sailing. I use the lead line when checking out an anchorage if it is unfamiliar. Thanks Doug On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>wrote:
Since it has been about 15 years since last buying a knot meter,depth gauge or gps, does anybody have any recommendations as to which brand is a good cross between quality and price or is it a matter of "1st class or no class"? Tom B.
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