Andrei, Although the board-up draft is shallow, the fixed rudder, according to the line drawing I have of the 17, draws only a couple of inches less than the centerboard in the down position, which is about three feet. To make use of the 1' 9" draft, you need a kickup rudder such as that available from Idasailor. That said, steering with the rudder in any position except straight down is not easy, so making use of the kickup feature is strictly an emergency operation. Rick M-17 Lynne L ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)
Has M-17 owner had any experience with the Idasailor kick up rudder?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <JDavies104@aol.com> To: <andreic@math.wisc.edu>; <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:59 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 rudder depth
Andrei,
Although the board-up draft is shallow, the fixed rudder, according to the line drawing I have of the 17, draws only a couple of inches less than the centerboard in the down position, which is about three feet. To make use of the 1' 9" draft, you need a kickup rudder such as that available from Idasailor. That said, steering with the rudder in any position except straight down is not easy, so making use of the kickup feature is strictly an emergency operation.
Rick M-17 Lynne L
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Hi Joe, Several of us in this area have the IdaSailor kick up rudders installed on our M17's. Larry Yake has one of the originals, mine came next and is only slightly different, Gary Hyde has the newest version which is very different than the earlier versions. Overall I think we are all very happy with the IdaSailor rudders. I can tell you they don't kick-up going backwards! But they do kick-up as designed when moving forward, and potentially save the transom from a significant amount of stress. Randy Graves ________________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy [seagray@embarqmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 9:58 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 rudder depth Has M-17 owner had any experience with the Idasailor kick up rudder?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <JDavies104@aol.com> To: <andreic@math.wisc.edu>; <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:59 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 rudder depth
Andrei,
Although the board-up draft is shallow, the fixed rudder, according to the line drawing I have of the 17, draws only a couple of inches less than the centerboard in the down position, which is about three feet. To make use of the 1' 9" draft, you need a kickup rudder such as that available from Idasailor. That said, steering with the rudder in any position except straight down is not easy, so making use of the kickup feature is strictly an emergency operation.
Rick M-17 Lynne L
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Thanks for the advice. Bob is building a new M-17 for me. I live on the eastern coast of North Carolina where there is a lot of shoaling. After being a slave to the tides here for the past four years, I sold my Nor'Sea 27 and am really excited about sailing a M-17. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "RandyG" <RKGraves@cite.nic.edu> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:39 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 rudder depth
Hi Joe,
Several of us in this area have the IdaSailor kick up rudders installed on our M17's. Larry Yake has one of the originals, mine came next and is only slightly different, Gary Hyde has the newest version which is very different than the earlier versions. Overall I think we are all very happy with the IdaSailor rudders.
I can tell you they don't kick-up going backwards! But they do kick-up as designed when moving forward, and potentially save the transom from a significant amount of stress.
Randy Graves
________________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy [seagray@embarqmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 9:58 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 rudder depth
Has M-17 owner had any experience with the Idasailor kick up rudder?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <JDavies104@aol.com> To: <andreic@math.wisc.edu>; <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:59 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 rudder depth
Andrei,
Although the board-up draft is shallow, the fixed rudder, according to the line drawing I have of the 17, draws only a couple of inches less than the centerboard in the down position, which is about three feet. To make use of the 1' 9" draft, you need a kickup rudder such as that available from Idasailor. That said, steering with the rudder in any position except straight down is not easy, so making use of the kickup feature is strictly an emergency operation.
Rick M-17 Lynne L
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The newer IdaSailor kickup rudder for the M17 is slightly longer (goes deeper) than the earlier one but slightly shorter fore-&-aft. It seems to balance better and handles the boat very well. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life. On Jun 9, 2008, at 10:39 AM, RandyG wrote:
Hi Joe,
Several of us in this area have the IdaSailor kick up rudders installed on our M17's. Larry Yake has one of the originals, mine came next and is only slightly different, Gary Hyde has the newest version which is very different than the earlier versions. Overall I think we are all very happy with the IdaSailor rudders.
I can tell you they don't kick-up going backwards! But they do kick- up as designed when moving forward, and potentially save the transom from a significant amount of stress.
Randy Graves
________________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com ] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy [seagray@embarqmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 9:58 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 rudder depth
Has M-17 owner had any experience with the Idasailor kick up rudder?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <JDavies104@aol.com> To: <andreic@math.wisc.edu>; <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:59 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 rudder depth
Andrei,
Although the board-up draft is shallow, the fixed rudder, according to the line drawing I have of the 17, draws only a couple of inches less than the centerboard in the down position, which is about three feet. To make use of the 1' 9" draft, you need a kickup rudder such as that available from Idasailor. That said, steering with the rudder in any position except straight down is not easy, so making use of the kickup feature is strictly an emergency operation.
Rick M-17 Lynne L
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