Just got back from a month in Hawaii and waded through the 300+ messagesin my inbox! It's been some time sincethe talk on towing vehicles but here is my take on the subject. When I bought Miss T in 1985 I towed her with a 1976 ToyotaSR5 pickup. That truck did an amazingjob, easily pulling Miss T across Montana,but I was worried about how well it could stop that rig in a panic situation. Luckily I never had the chance to find out,but the concern lead me to ask Jerry Montgomery what he recommended. At that time Jerry was delivering his newboats across the country and was using a Ford F150 with the 300 cubic inch,in-line six cylinder engine. I found aused one in 1986 and have driving it ever since. Old Blue is a gas guzzler to be sure but it pulledme and Miss T for over 60,000 miles all across the country including a fewcrossings of the western mountains. I have had two panic stops with Old Blue both due to someonecutting in front of me and then having to stand on the brakes. Both times I was able to stop in time but theincidents left me debating adding surge brakes to the trailer. That little extra braking power would havehelped. As of now I haven't added thembut the mental debate continues. However Old Blue has also had three rebuilt engines put inher, the last one a year ago. Now I'mconcerned that if we get above 60 mph I'll be arrested for littering; it's timefor a change. I'm looking at three trucks: Ford F150, Toyota Tundra, Dodge Ram. The first two have a high rating in Consumerreports based upon fewer repairs needed compared to other trucks, The Dodge Ram is included because it is alsoConsumer Report recommended for it's pulling ratings. Which one I get willdepend which has the best deal but I have one requirement: AirConditioning!. I bought Old Blue in Montana and didn't thinkI would mind not having AC since I had no plans to leave that state. Fuzzy Thinking! Most times keeping the window open is cooling enough but when I was trailering MissT from San CarlosMexico to Tucson, the temperature was 113, and while Ihad to keep the window open a bit, a 113 degree blast of 50 mph wind was like ablast furnace. When I got to TucsonI was more like an over cooked linguini than a human. I sat on the AC in the motel room for quitesome time until I finally started to cool down. One other observation, this time about rebuilt motors. After a total of 105,000 miles over all and 3rebuilt engines I've come to the conclusion that the company thinking behindthem is that whoever put a rebuilt engine in a vehicle will soon sell it. sothere isn't any great need to put a lot of time into building a longlasting engine. They did give me 5 years and 70,000 miles onthe rebuilt engine and made good on the warranty when the engine(s) died, buttwo engines later - and still within that warranty, I put in my last rebuiltengine. John Edwards Miss T M17 372
John: Big Iron.....the 1989 Suburban, has a rebuilt engine. In this case, at 250,000 miles, the original engine was pulled and rebuilt by a local company. They told of horror stories of the rebuilt "crate" engines. The players are high volume, low margin, and as per my guy, is designed to outlast the warranty, which is something like 1 year or 12,000 miles. I'm over 50,000 miles and no problems to date. BTW, I no longer use her for this, so if anyone is interested in a cheap tow vehicle................ On the Dodge Ram, used ones must be free. My local repair shop said they were good, but not to buy a new one as the resale value is nothing. Plan on driving it into the dirt. I am currently towing with a 2006 Tundra. It has 42,000 miles and I have done nothing to it but change the oil. Newer Tundras are larger size. Current Toyota that matches this might be the Tacoma. That would haul an M17 OK. As you say, a lot of vehicles will get a boat moving. It takes a bigger one to get it stopped in an emergency. On May 19, 2010, at 9:00 PM, saltm17@aol.com wrote:
Just got back from a month in Hawaii and waded through the 300+ messagesin my inbox! It's been some time sincethe talk on towing vehicles but here is my take on the subject.
When I bought Miss T in 1985 I towed her with a 1976 ToyotaSR5 pickup. That truck did an amazingjob, easily pulling Miss T across Montana,but I was worried about how well it could stop that rig in a panic situation. Luckily I never had the chance to find out,but the concern lead me to ask Jerry Montgomery what he recommended. At that time Jerry was delivering his newboats across the country and was using a Ford F150 with the 300 cubic inch,in-line six cylinder engine. I found aused one in 1986 and have driving it ever since. Old Blue is a gas guzzler to be sure but it pulledme and Miss T for over 60,000 miles all across the country including a fewcrossings of the western mountains.
I have had two panic stops with Old Blue both due to someonecutting in front of me and then having to stand on the brakes. Both times I was able to stop in time but theincidents left me debating adding surge brakes to the trailer. That little extra braking power would havehelped. As of now I haven't added thembut the mental debate continues.
However Old Blue has also had three rebuilt engines put inher, the last one a year ago. Now I'mconcerned that if we get above 60 mph I'll be arrested for littering; it's timefor a change.
I'm looking at three trucks: Ford F150, Toyota Tundra, Dodge Ram. The first two have a high rating in Consumerreports based upon fewer repairs needed compared to other trucks, The Dodge Ram is included because it is alsoConsumer Report recommended for it's pulling ratings. Which one I get willdepend which has the best deal but I have one requirement: AirConditioning!. I bought Old Blue in Montana and didn't thinkI would mind not having AC since I had no plans to leave that state. Fuzzy Thinking! Most times keeping the window open is cooling enough but when I was trailering MissT from San CarlosMexico to Tucson, the temperature was 113, and while Ihad to keep the window open a bit, a 113 degree blast of 50 mph wind was like ablast furnace. When I got to TucsonI was more like an over cooked linguini than a human. I sat on the AC in the motel room for quitesome time until I finally started to cool down.
One other observation, this time about rebuilt motors. After a total of 105,000 miles over all and 3rebuilt engines I've come to the conclusion that the company thinking behindthem is that whoever put a rebuilt engine in a vehicle will soon sell it. sothere isn't any great need to put a lot of time into building a longlasting engine. They did give me 5 years and 70,000 miles onthe rebuilt engine and made good on the warranty when the engine(s) died, buttwo engines later - and still within that warranty, I put in my last rebuiltengine.
John Edwards Miss T M17 372
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John: The surge disk brakes on my M17 trailer make a BIG difference in stopping power. I tow with a turbo-charged Subaru Forester with no problem. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2' On May 19, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Saltm17@aol.com wrote:
Just got back from a month in Hawaii and waded through the 300+ messagesin my inbox! It's been some time sincethe talk on towing vehicles but here is my take on the subject.
When I bought Miss T in 1985 I towed her with a 1976 ToyotaSR5 pickup. That truck did an amazingjob, easily pulling Miss T across Montana,but I was worried about how well it could stop that rig in a panic situation. Luckily I never had the chance to find out,but the concern lead me to ask Jerry Montgomery what he recommended. At that time Jerry was delivering his newboats across the country and was using a Ford F150 with the 300 cubic inch,in-line six cylinder engine. I found aused one in 1986 and have driving it ever since. Old Blue is a gas guzzler to be sure but it pulledme and Miss T for over 60,000 miles all across the country including a fewcrossings of the western mountains.
I have had two panic stops with Old Blue both due to someonecutting in front of me and then having to stand on the brakes. Both times I was able to stop in time but theincidents left me debating adding surge brakes to the trailer. That little extra braking power would havehelped. As of now I haven't added thembut the mental debate continues.
However Old Blue has also had three rebuilt engines put inher, the last one a year ago. Now I'mconcerned that if we get above 60 mph I'll be arrested for littering; it's timefor a change.
I'm looking at three trucks: Ford F150, Toyota Tundra, Dodge Ram. The first two have a high rating in Consumerreports based upon fewer repairs needed compared to other trucks, The Dodge Ram is included because it is alsoConsumer Report recommended for it's pulling ratings. Which one I get willdepend which has the best deal but I have one requirement: AirConditioning!. I bought Old Blue in Montana and didn't thinkI would mind not having AC since I had no plans to leave that state. Fuzzy Thinking! Most times keeping the window open is cooling enough but when I was trailering MissT from San CarlosMexico to Tucson, the temperature was 113, and while Ihad to keep the window open a bit, a 113 degree blast of 50 mph wind was like ablast furnace. When I got to TucsonI was more like an over cooked linguini than a human. I sat on the AC in the motel room for quitesome time until I finally started to cool down.
One other observation, this time about rebuilt motors. After a total of 105,000 miles over all and 3rebuilt engines I've come to the conclusion that the company thinking behindthem is that whoever put a rebuilt engine in a vehicle will soon sell it. sothere isn't any great need to put a lot of time into building a longlasting engine. They did give me 5 years and 70,000 miles onthe rebuilt engine and made good on the warranty when the engine(s) died, buttwo engines later - and still within that warranty, I put in my last rebuiltengine.
John Edwards Miss T M17 372
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Gary, What make trailer do you have? Were the surge brakes factory installed or did you add them after you got the trailer? John Edwards Miss T M17 # 372 -----Original Message----- From: Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 12:39 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tow vehicle John: The surge disk brakes on my M17 trailer make a BIG difference in stopping power. I tow with a turbo-charged Subaru Forester with no problem. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2' On May 19, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Saltm17@aol.com wrote:
Just got back from a month in Hawaii and waded through the 300+ messagesin my
inbox! It's been some time sincethe talk on towing vehicles but here is my take on the subject.
When I bought Miss T in 1985 I towed her with a 1976 ToyotaSR5 pickup. That
truck did an amazingjob, easily pulling Miss T across Montana,but I was worried about how well it could stop that rig in a panic situation. Luckily I never had the chance to find out,but the concern lead me to ask Jerry Montgomery what he recommended. At that time Jerry was delivering his newboats across the country and was using a Ford F150 with the 300 cubic inch,in-line six cylinder engine. I found aused one in 1986 and have driving it ever since. Old Blue is a gas guzzler to be sure but it pulledme and Miss T for over 60,000 miles all across the country including a fewcrossings of the western mountains.
I have had two panic stops with Old Blue both due to someonecutting in front
of me and then having to stand on the brakes. Both times I was able to stop in time but theincidents left me debating adding surge brakes to the trailer. That little extra braking power would havehelped. As of now I haven't added thembut the mental debate continues.
However Old Blue has also had three rebuilt engines put inher, the last one a
year ago. Now I'mconcerned that if we get above 60 mph I'll be arrested for littering; it's timefor a change.
I'm looking at three trucks: Ford F150, Toyota Tundra, Dodge Ram. The first
two have a high rating in Consumerreports based upon fewer repairs needed compared to other trucks, The Dodge Ram is included because it is alsoConsumer Report recommended for it's pulling ratings. Which one I get willdepend which has the best deal but I have one requirement: AirConditioning!. I bought Old Blue in Montana and didn't thinkI would mind not having AC since I had no plans to leave that state. Fuzzy Thinking! Most times keeping the window open is cooling enough but when I was trailering MissT from San CarlosMexico to Tucson, the temperature was 113, and while Ihad to keep the window open a bit, a 113 degree blast of 50 mph wind was like ablast furnace. When I got to TucsonI was more like an over cooked linguini than a human. I sat on the AC in the motel room for quitesome time until I finally started to cool down.
One other observation, this time about rebuilt motors. After a total of
105,000 miles over all and 3rebuilt engines I've come to the conclusion that the company thinking behindthem is that whoever put a rebuilt engine in a vehicle will soon sell it. sothere isn't any great need to put a lot of time into building a longlasting engine. They did give me 5 years and 70,000 miles onthe rebuilt engine and made good on the warranty when the engine(s) died, buttwo engines later - and still within that warranty, I put in my last rebuiltengine.
John Edwards Miss T M17 372
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Pacific trailer, factory installed brakes. Gary. Sent from my iPhone :-) On May 21, 2010, at 9:57 AM, saltm17@aol.com wrote:
Gary,
What make trailer do you have? Were the surge brakes factory installed or did you add them after you got the trailer?
John Edwards
Miss T M17 # 372
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Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 12:39 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tow vehicle
John: The surge disk brakes on my M17 trailer make a BIG difference in stopping power. I tow with a turbo-charged Subaru Forester with no problem.
--Gary Hyde 2005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2'
On May 19, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Saltm17@aol.com wrote:
Just got back from a month in Hawaii and waded through the 300+ messagesin my
inbox! It's been some time sincethe talk on towing vehicles but here is my take on the subject.
When I bought Miss T in 1985 I towed her with a 1976 ToyotaSR5 pickup. That
truck did an amazingjob, easily pulling Miss T across Montana,but I was worried about how well it could stop that rig in a panic situation. Luckily I never had the chance to find out,but the concern lead me to ask Jerry Montgomery what he recommended. At that time Jerry was delivering his newboats across the country and was using a Ford F150 with the 300 cubic inch,in-line six cylinder engine. I found aused one in 1986 and have driving it ever since. Old Blue is a gas guzzler to be sure but it pulledme and Miss T for over 60,000 miles all across the country including a fewcrossings of the western mountains.
I have had two panic stops with Old Blue both due to someonecutting in front
of me and then having to stand on the brakes. Both times I was able to stop in time but theincidents left me debating adding surge brakes to the trailer. That little extra braking power would havehelped. As of now I haven't added thembut the mental debate continues.
However Old Blue has also had three rebuilt engines put inher, the last one a
year ago. Now I'mconcerned that if we get above 60 mph I'll be arrested for littering; it's timefor a change.
I'm looking at three trucks: Ford F150, Toyota Tundra, Dodge Ram. The first
two have a high rating in Consumerreports based upon fewer repairs needed compared to other trucks, The Dodge Ram is included because it is alsoConsumer Report recommended for it's pulling ratings. Which one I get willdepend which has the best deal but I have one requirement: AirConditioning!. I bought Old Blue in Montana and didn't thinkI would mind not having AC since I had no plans to leave that state. Fuzzy Thinking! Most times keeping the window open is cooling enough but when I was trailering MissT from San CarlosMexico to Tucson, the temperature was 113, and while Ihad to keep the window open a bit, a 113 degree blast of 50 mph wind was like ablast furnace. When I got to TucsonI was more like an over cooked linguini than a human. I sat on the AC in the motel room for quitesome time until I finally started to cool down.
One other observation, this time about rebuilt motors. After a total of
105,000 miles over all and 3rebuilt engines I've come to the conclusion that the company thinking behindthem is that whoever put a rebuilt engine in a vehicle will soon sell it. sothere isn't any great need to put a lot of time into building a longlasting engine. They did give me 5 years and 70,000 miles onthe rebuilt engine and made good on the warranty when the engine(s) died, buttwo engines later - and still within that warranty, I put in my last rebuiltengine.
John Edwards Miss T M17 372
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Gary, Your response re surge brakes has prompted me to ask a question: when descending a hill do you experience some braking action from your trailer wheels even though you may not wish to activate your tow vehicle brakes? I would think the pressure from the weight of the boat/trailer pushing forward might tend to activate the surge braking system. Perhaps the weight of your 17 and trailer is not sufficient to cause this to happen, but I would appreciate hearing of your experience. Mike -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:39 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tow vehicle John: The surge disk brakes on my M17 trailer make a BIG difference in stopping power. I tow with a turbo-charged Subaru Forester with no problem. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2' On May 19, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Saltm17@aol.com wrote:
Just got back from a month in Hawaii and waded through the 300+ messagesin
my inbox! It's been some time sincethe talk on towing vehicles but here is my take on the subject.
When I bought Miss T in 1985 I towed her with a 1976 ToyotaSR5 pickup.
That truck did an amazingjob, easily pulling Miss T across Montana,but I was worried about how well it could stop that rig in a panic situation. Luckily I never had the chance to find out,but the concern lead me to ask Jerry Montgomery what he recommended. At that time Jerry was delivering his newboats across the country and was using a Ford F150 with the 300 cubic inch,in-line six cylinder engine. I found aused one in 1986 and have driving it ever since. Old Blue is a gas guzzler to be sure but it pulledme and Miss T for over 60,000 miles all across the country including a fewcrossings of the western mountains.
I have had two panic stops with Old Blue both due to someonecutting in
front of me and then having to stand on the brakes. Both times I was able to stop in time but theincidents left me debating adding surge brakes to the trailer. That little extra braking power would havehelped. As of now I haven't added thembut the mental debate continues.
However Old Blue has also had three rebuilt engines put inher, the last
one a year ago. Now I'mconcerned that if we get above 60 mph I'll be arrested for littering; it's timefor a change.
I'm looking at three trucks: Ford F150, Toyota Tundra, Dodge Ram. The
first two have a high rating in Consumerreports based upon fewer repairs needed compared to other trucks, The Dodge Ram is included because it is alsoConsumer Report recommended for it's pulling ratings. Which one I get willdepend which has the best deal but I have one requirement: AirConditioning!. I bought Old Blue in Montana and didn't thinkI would mind not having AC since I had no plans to leave that state. Fuzzy Thinking! Most times keeping the window open is cooling enough but when I was trailering MissT from San CarlosMexico to Tucson, the temperature was 113, and while Ihad to keep the window open a bit, a 113 degree blast of 50 mph wind was like ablast furnace. When I got to TucsonI was more like an over cooked linguini than a human. I sat on the AC in the motel room for quitesome time until I finally started to cool down.
One other observation, this time about rebuilt motors. After a total of
105,000 miles over all and 3rebuilt engines I've come to the conclusion that the company thinking behindthem is that whoever put a rebuilt engine in a vehicle will soon sell it. sothere isn't any great need to put a lot of time into building a longlasting engine. They did give me 5 years and 70,000 miles onthe rebuilt engine and made good on the warranty when the engine(s) died, buttwo engines later - and still within that warranty, I put in my last rebuiltengine.
John Edwards Miss T M17 372
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Yes, there is some downhill braking at times, but it isn't a problem. Gary Sent from my iPhone :-) On May 21, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Michael Carter <carterconsultants@comcast.net
wrote:
Gary,
Your response re surge brakes has prompted me to ask a question: when descending a hill do you experience some braking action from your trailer wheels even though you may not wish to activate your tow vehicle brakes? I would think the pressure from the weight of the boat/trailer pushing forward might tend to activate the surge braking system. Perhaps the weight of your 17 and trailer is not sufficient to cause this to happen, but I would appreciate hearing of your experience.
Mike
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:39 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tow vehicle
John: The surge disk brakes on my M17 trailer make a BIG difference in stopping power. I tow with a turbo-charged Subaru Forester with no problem.
--Gary Hyde 2005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2'
On May 19, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Saltm17@aol.com wrote:
Just got back from a month in Hawaii and waded through the 300+ messagesin
my inbox! It's been some time sincethe talk on towing vehicles but here is my take on the subject.
When I bought Miss T in 1985 I towed her with a 1976 ToyotaSR5 pickup.
That truck did an amazingjob, easily pulling Miss T across Montana,but I was worried about how well it could stop that rig in a panic situation. Luckily I never had the chance to find out,but the concern lead me to ask Jerry Montgomery what he recommended. At that time Jerry was delivering his newboats across the country and was using a Ford F150 with the 300 cubic inch,in-line six cylinder engine. I found aused one in 1986 and have driving it ever since. Old Blue is a gas guzzler to be sure but it pulledme and Miss T for over 60,000 miles all across the country including a fewcrossings of the western mountains.
I have had two panic stops with Old Blue both due to someonecutting in
front of me and then having to stand on the brakes. Both times I was able to stop in time but theincidents left me debating adding surge brakes to the trailer. That little extra braking power would havehelped. As of now I haven't added thembut the mental debate continues.
However Old Blue has also had three rebuilt engines put inher, the last
one a year ago. Now I'mconcerned that if we get above 60 mph I'll be arrested for littering; it's timefor a change.
I'm looking at three trucks: Ford F150, Toyota Tundra, Dodge Ram. The
first two have a high rating in Consumerreports based upon fewer repairs needed compared to other trucks, The Dodge Ram is included because it is alsoConsumer Report recommended for it's pulling ratings. Which one I get willdepend which has the best deal but I have one requirement: AirConditioning!. I bought Old Blue in Montana and didn't thinkI would mind not having AC since I had no plans to leave that state. Fuzzy Thinking! Most times keeping the window open is cooling enough but when I was trailering MissT from San CarlosMexico to Tucson, the temperature was 113, and while Ihad to keep the window open a bit, a 113 degree blast of 50 mph wind was like ablast furnace. When I got to TucsonI was more like an over cooked linguini than a human. I sat on the AC in the motel room for quitesome time until I finally started to cool down.
One other observation, this time about rebuilt motors. After a total of
105,000 miles over all and 3rebuilt engines I've come to the conclusion that the company thinking behindthem is that whoever put a rebuilt engine in a vehicle will soon sell it. sothere isn't any great need to put a lot of time into building a longlasting engine. They did give me 5 years and 70,000 miles onthe rebuilt engine and made good on the warranty when the engine(s) died, buttwo engines later - and still within that warranty, I put in my last rebuiltengine.
John Edwards Miss T M17 372
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I used to have to put a "U"-shaped plate on the trailer tongue to cut of the "surger" when coming down long hills with my heavier 26' boat. I should expect the main problem with the 17 would be backing up a hill into a garage, etc. John in Tucson former Coyote-owner -----Original Message----- From: Michael Carter <carterconsultants@comcast.net> To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 10:12 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tow vehicle Gary, Your response re surge brakes has prompted me to ask a question: when escending a hill do you experience some braking action from your trailer heels even though you may not wish to activate your tow vehicle brakes? I ould think the pressure from the weight of the boat/trailer pushing forward ight tend to activate the surge braking system. Perhaps the weight of your 7 and trailer is not sufficient to cause this to happen, but I would ppreciate hearing of your experience. Mike -----Original Message----- rom: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M yde ent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:39 AM o: For and about Montgomery Sailboats ubject: Re: M_Boats: Tow vehicle John: he surge disk brakes on my M17 trailer make a BIG difference in stopping ower. I tow with a turbo-charged Subaru Forester with no problem. --Gary Hyde 005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2' On May 19, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Saltm17@aol.com wrote:
Just got back from a month in Hawaii and waded through the 300+ messagesin y inbox! It's been some time sincethe talk on towing vehicles but here is y take on the subject. When I bought Miss T in 1985 I towed her with a 1976 ToyotaSR5 pickup. hat truck did an amazingjob, easily pulling Miss T across Montana,but I was orried about how well it could stop that rig in a panic situation. uckily I never had the chance to find out,but the concern lead me to ask erry Montgomery what he recommended. At that time Jerry was delivering his ewboats across the country and was using a Ford F150 with the 300 cubic nch,in-line six cylinder engine. I found aused one in 1986 and have riving it ever since. Old Blue is a gas guzzler to be sure but it pulledme nd Miss T for over 60,000 miles all across the country including a ewcrossings of the western mountains. I have had two panic stops with Old Blue both due to someonecutting in ront of me and then having to stand on the brakes. Both times I was able o stop in time but theincidents left me debating adding surge brakes to the railer. That little extra braking power would havehelped. As of now I aven't added thembut the mental debate continues. However Old Blue has also had three rebuilt engines put inher, the last ne a year ago. Now I'mconcerned that if we get above 60 mph I'll be rrested for littering; it's timefor a change. I'm looking at three trucks: Ford F150, Toyota Tundra, Dodge Ram. The irst two have a high rating in Consumerreports based upon fewer repairs eeded compared to other trucks, The Dodge Ram is included because it is lsoConsumer Report recommended for it's pulling ratings. Which one I get illdepend which has the best deal but I have one requirement: irConditioning!. I bought Old Blue in Montana and didn't thinkI would mind ot having AC since I had no plans to leave that state. Fuzzy Thinking! ost times keeping the window open is cooling enough but when I was railering MissT from San CarlosMexico to Tucson, the temperature was 113, nd while Ihad to keep the window open a bit, a 113 degree blast of 50 mph ind was like ablast furnace. When I got to TucsonI was more like an over ooked linguini than a human. I sat on the AC in the motel room for uitesome time until I finally started to cool down. One other observation, this time about rebuilt motors. After a total of 05,000 miles over all and 3rebuilt engines I've come to the conclusion that he company thinking behindthem is that whoever put a rebuilt engine in a ehicle will soon sell it. sothere isn't any great need to put a lot of time nto building a longlasting engine. They did give me 5 years and 70,000 iles onthe rebuilt engine and made good on the warranty when the engine(s) ied, buttwo engines later - and still within that warranty, I put in my ast rebuiltengine. John Edwards Miss T M17 372 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
The disc surge brakes have a solenoid valve that is actuated by your tow vehicle backup light circuit that by-passes the brake pressure when you back up. Disc brakes work the same in reverse as forward (drum brakes do not), so that circuit is necessary; either that or you disconnect the brake line to back up. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2' On May 21, 2010, at 2:20 PM, jslubliner@aol.com wrote:
I used to have to put a "U"-shaped plate on the trailer tongue to cut of the "surger" when coming down long hills with my heavier 26' boat. I should expect the main problem with the 17 would be backing up a hill into a garage, etc.
John in Tucson former Coyote-owner
-----Original Message----- From: Michael Carter <carterconsultants@comcast.net> To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 10:12 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tow vehicle
Gary, Your response re surge brakes has prompted me to ask a question: when escending a hill do you experience some braking action from your trailer heels even though you may not wish to activate your tow vehicle brakes? I ould think the pressure from the weight of the boat/trailer pushing forward ight tend to activate the surge braking system. Perhaps the weight of your 7 and trailer is not sufficient to cause this to happen, but I would ppreciate hearing of your experience. Mike -----Original Message----- rom: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M yde ent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:39 AM o: For and about Montgomery Sailboats ubject: Re: M_Boats: Tow vehicle John: he surge disk brakes on my M17 trailer make a BIG difference in stopping ower. I tow with a turbo-charged Subaru Forester with no problem. --Gary Hyde 005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2'
On May 19, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Saltm17@aol.com wrote:
Just got back from a month in Hawaii and waded through the 300+ messagesin y inbox! It's been some time sincethe talk on towing vehicles but here is y take on the subject.
When I bought Miss T in 1985 I towed her with a 1976 ToyotaSR5 pickup. hat truck did an amazingjob, easily pulling Miss T across Montana,but I was orried about how well it could stop that rig in a panic situation. uckily I never had the chance to find out,but the concern lead me to ask erry Montgomery what he recommended. At that time Jerry was delivering his ewboats across the country and was using a Ford F150 with the 300 cubic nch,in-line six cylinder engine. I found aused one in 1986 and have riving it ever since. Old Blue is a gas guzzler to be sure but it pulledme nd Miss T for over 60,000 miles all across the country including a ewcrossings of the western mountains.
I have had two panic stops with Old Blue both due to someonecutting in ront of me and then having to stand on the brakes. Both times I was able o stop in time but theincidents left me debating adding surge brakes to the railer. That little extra braking power would havehelped. As of now I aven't added thembut the mental debate continues.
However Old Blue has also had three rebuilt engines put inher, the last ne a year ago. Now I'mconcerned that if we get above 60 mph I'll be rrested for littering; it's timefor a change.
I'm looking at three trucks: Ford F150, Toyota Tundra, Dodge Ram. The irst two have a high rating in Consumerreports based upon fewer repairs eeded compared to other trucks, The Dodge Ram is included because it is lsoConsumer Report recommended for it's pulling ratings. Which one I get illdepend which has the best deal but I have one requirement: irConditioning!. I bought Old Blue in Montana and didn't thinkI would mind ot having AC since I had no plans to leave that state. Fuzzy Thinking! ost times keeping the window open is cooling enough but when I was railering MissT from San CarlosMexico to Tucson, the temperature was 113, nd while Ihad to keep the window open a bit, a 113 degree blast of 50 mph ind was like ablast furnace. When I got to TucsonI was more like an over ooked linguini than a human. I sat on the AC in the motel room for uitesome time until I finally started to cool down.
One other observation, this time about rebuilt motors. After a total of 05,000 miles over all and 3rebuilt engines I've come to the conclusion that he company thinking behindthem is that whoever put a rebuilt engine in a ehicle will soon sell it. sothere isn't any great need to put a lot of time nto building a longlasting engine. They did give me 5 years and 70,000 iles onthe rebuilt engine and made good on the warranty when the engine(s) ied, buttwo engines later - and still within that warranty, I put in my ast rebuiltengine.
John Edwards Miss T M17 372
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Gary: what make-model of surge brakes did you install on your M17 trailer? What were the costs for the installation, roughly? Thanks, Andrei.
Andrei: The brakes are Kodiak Trailer Disc Brakes, Kodiak Trailer Components, 7600 Sand Dr. Fort Worth, TX 7611. www.kodiaktrailer.com The were installed by Pacific trailer when I bought the trailer new from them in 2005. This installed cost, including actuator, was $575. ⎈--Gary ☺ On May 21, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Andrei Caldararu wrote:
Gary:
what make-model of surge brakes did you install on your M17 trailer? What were the costs for the installation, roughly?
Thanks,
Andrei.
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