Hi all, I'm going to put a topping lift on Pajarita. I have various examples to go by I've seen on other boats, and, if anyone here has added a topping lift, my basic question is what's your experience of the simplest easiest to use approach. The first two are just a matter of which hardware up top - in both cases it's the standard line up the mast and then down to end of boom: 1) cheek block on side of mast at top, or... 2) eye strap with hanging block on side of mast at top Or, a different approach: 3) line fast at top of mast and adjust with cleat on boom. Of 1 and 2, I imagine the cheek block is quieter and simpler but maybe there's advantages to the swivel/swing available with the block hung from eye strap? Then, 3 seems overall simpler and can be put on/off and adjusted while in the cockpit. But also it adds another line and cleat on the boom, and I don't want to add too much complication there because of existing reefing & outhaul lines & cleats. cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
i prefer using a Boomkicker. no line flapping around. your #3 is a workable system and inexpensive. i set '#3' up using two strapeyes and one clamcleat CL203. attach one strapeye just below the top of the mast. i recommend the port side as you should raise/lower the main when on a starboard tack. this means the topping lift line will blow to leeward and less likely to hang up on the main as the sail is raised. at the end of the boom attach the second strapeye. tie a 3/16" line the strapeye at the masthead. run the 3/16" line through the clamcleat's mounting holes (drill them out so a 3/16" line will 'just' run through with some tension; the line should not slip through the mounting holes easily). the clamcleat 203s fairlead needs to be facing down (ie, the boom, not the top of the mast). run line through the strapeye at the end of the boom. run the line through the CL203's fairlead. adjust so the line is loose when the sail is up, and long enough to keep the boom from falling to far as the main is lowered. picture attached with the above details. #3 is the standard topping lift offerings on Sage 17's that are ordered without a Boomkicker. more info needed let me know. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 4:19 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm going to put a topping lift on Pajarita. I have various examples to go by I've seen on other boats, and, if anyone here has added a topping lift, my basic question is what's your experience of the simplest easiest to use approach.
The first two are just a matter of which hardware up top - in both cases it's the standard line up the mast and then down to end of boom:
1) cheek block on side of mast at top, or... 2) eye strap with hanging block on side of mast at top
Or, a different approach:
3) line fast at top of mast and adjust with cleat on boom.
Of 1 and 2, I imagine the cheek block is quieter and simpler but maybe there's advantages to the swivel/swing available with the block hung from eye strap?
Then, 3 seems overall simpler and can be put on/off and adjusted while in the cockpit. But also it adds another line and cleat on the boom, and I don't want to add too much complication there because of existing reefing & outhaul lines & cleats.
cheers, John S
On May 18, 2016, at 3:19 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I'm going to put a topping lift on Pajarita. I have various examples to go by I've seen on other boats, and, if anyone here has added a topping lift, my basic question is what's your experience of the simplest easiest to use approach.
The first two are just a matter of which hardware up top - in both cases it's the standard line up the mast and then down to end of boom:
1) cheek block on side of mast at top, or... 2) eye strap with hanging block on side of mast at top
Or, a different approach:
3) line fast at top of mast and adjust with cleat on boom.
Mine is even more minimal. The masthead end goes to the same pin as the backstay, and the other end I hitch to the loop on the boom end that holds the outhaul block. No extra hardware, just a piece of 3/16 line.
Hi John, I set my topping lift up with a cheek block at the mast head with a cleat on the forward side of the mast and out to a swivel strap at the very end of the boom. I talked with Judy B who make my new main and she advised against using a topping lift on the boat though I can't remember why. Anyway since all that extra gear at mast head, and bottom of mast and extra line just added to the clutter I went back to my original M-17 rig. It consists of simply a light line run from the mast head aft to a hook at the back end of the boom. It is set to hold up the boom when the mainsail is reefed to the boom yet will not interfere with the set of the main when I use the vang. It is simple enough and does what I need it to do. Tom B <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 5:19 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm going to put a topping lift on Pajarita. I have various examples to go by I've seen on other boats, and, if anyone here has added a topping lift, my basic question is what's your experience of the simplest easiest to use approach.
The first two are just a matter of which hardware up top - in both cases it's the standard line up the mast and then down to end of boom:
1) cheek block on side of mast at top, or... 2) eye strap with hanging block on side of mast at top
Or, a different approach:
3) line fast at top of mast and adjust with cleat on boom.
Of 1 and 2, I imagine the cheek block is quieter and simpler but maybe there's advantages to the swivel/swing available with the block hung from eye strap?
Then, 3 seems overall simpler and can be put on/off and adjusted while in the cockpit. But also it adds another line and cleat on the boom, and I don't want to add too much complication there because of existing reefing & outhaul lines & cleats.
cheers, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Hi John, I prefer #3, which is how Serenity was rigged when I got her... The only change I made was to move the cleat on the boom forward to about 2/3 of the way towards the mast. Even with the out-haul and the reefing lines I felt there was enough room to do a tidy job.... Keith *Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.* *Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353* On 18 May 2016 at 15:19, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm going to put a topping lift on Pajarita. I have various examples to go by I've seen on other boats, and, if anyone here has added a topping lift, my basic question is what's your experience of the simplest easiest to use approach.
The first two are just a matter of which hardware up top - in both cases it's the standard line up the mast and then down to end of boom:
1) cheek block on side of mast at top, or... 2) eye strap with hanging block on side of mast at top
Or, a different approach:
3) line fast at top of mast and adjust with cleat on boom.
Of 1 and 2, I imagine the cheek block is quieter and simpler but maybe there's advantages to the swivel/swing available with the block hung from eye strap?
Then, 3 seems overall simpler and can be put on/off and adjusted while in the cockpit. But also it adds another line and cleat on the boom, and I don't want to add too much complication there because of existing reefing & outhaul lines & cleats.
cheers, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I use method #1 and lead the topping lift to the cockpit on the Port side so as to to make it as easy as possible to manage. By the way I use a Boomkicker also. I am a belt a suspender kind of guy George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi John,
I prefer #3, which is how Serenity was rigged when I got her... The only change I made was to move the cleat on the boom forward to about 2/3 of the way towards the mast. Even with the out-haul and the reefing lines I felt there was enough room to do a tidy job....
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.*
*Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353*
On 18 May 2016 at 15:19, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm going to put a topping lift on Pajarita. I have various examples to go by I've seen on other boats, and, if anyone here has added a topping lift, my basic question is what's your experience of the simplest easiest to use approach.
The first two are just a matter of which hardware up top - in both cases it's the standard line up the mast and then down to end of boom:
1) cheek block on side of mast at top, or... 2) eye strap with hanging block on side of mast at top
Or, a different approach:
3) line fast at top of mast and adjust with cleat on boom.
Of 1 and 2, I imagine the cheek block is quieter and simpler but maybe there's advantages to the swivel/swing available with the block hung from eye strap?
Then, 3 seems overall simpler and can be put on/off and adjusted while in the cockpit. But also it adds another line and cleat on the boom, and I don't want to add too much complication there because of existing reefing & outhaul lines & cleats.
cheers, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Thanks all for the rapid response on the topping lift question. BTW re Dave's setup (thanks for thorough directions and picture as well!), clamcleat now makes a whole line of cleats specifically for inline use - no need to drill out the holes on a standard surface mount one: http://www.clamcleat.com/cleats/cleats.asp?menuid=9 I will ponder the boomkicker...but right now that $135 probably needs to go to higher priority item$ and I'll likely go with option 3 for the time being, either Dave-style with a one-hand inline clamcleat or with a cleat on the boom. thanks again, John S. On 05/18/2016 05:12 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
I use method #1 and lead the topping lift to the cockpit on the Port side so as to to make it as easy as possible to manage.
By the way I use a Boomkicker also. I am a belt a suspender kind of guy
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi John,
I prefer #3, which is how Serenity was rigged when I got her... The only change I made was to move the cleat on the boom forward to about 2/3 of the way towards the mast. Even with the out-haul and the reefing lines I felt there was enough room to do a tidy job....
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.*
*Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353*
On 18 May 2016 at 15:19, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm going to put a topping lift on Pajarita. I have various examples to go by I've seen on other boats, and, if anyone here has added a topping lift, my basic question is what's your experience of the simplest easiest to use approach.
The first two are just a matter of which hardware up top - in both cases it's the standard line up the mast and then down to end of boom:
1) cheek block on side of mast at top, or... 2) eye strap with hanging block on side of mast at top
Or, a different approach:
3) line fast at top of mast and adjust with cleat on boom.
Of 1 and 2, I imagine the cheek block is quieter and simpler but maybe there's advantages to the swivel/swing available with the block hung from eye strap?
Then, 3 seems overall simpler and can be put on/off and adjusted while in the cockpit. But also it adds another line and cleat on the boom, and I don't want to add too much complication there because of existing reefing & outhaul lines & cleats.
cheers, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
John, I suggest #3 but suggest a clip on the end so you can remove it from the boom after raising your sail. You also don't need a block or cleat unless you want to quickly adjust the height while the sail is down. I have mine permanently attached to the top of the mast. On the end that attaches to the boom I have a simple Block with a V-Jam cleat so I can adjust the height. That's attached to a clip which attaches to the boom. While sailing I take it off the boom and clip it on the foot of the mast. Regards, Ron McNeil Jackpot/M17/#675 Sent from my iPhone
On May 18, 2016, at 9:41 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks all for the rapid response on the topping lift question.
BTW re Dave's setup (thanks for thorough directions and picture as well!), clamcleat now makes a whole line of cleats specifically for inline use - no need to drill out the holes on a standard surface mount one: http://www.clamcleat.com/cleats/cleats.asp?menuid=9
I will ponder the boomkicker...but right now that $135 probably needs to go to higher priority item$ and I'll likely go with option 3 for the time being, either Dave-style with a one-hand inline clamcleat or with a cleat on the boom.
thanks again, John S.
On 05/18/2016 05:12 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: I use method #1 and lead the topping lift to the cockpit on the Port side so as to to make it as easy as possible to manage.
By the way I use a Boomkicker also. I am a belt a suspender kind of guy
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi John,
I prefer #3, which is how Serenity was rigged when I got her... The only change I made was to move the cleat on the boom forward to about 2/3 of the way towards the mast. Even with the out-haul and the reefing lines I felt there was enough room to do a tidy job....
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.*
*Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353*
On 18 May 2016 at 15:19, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm going to put a topping lift on Pajarita. I have various examples to go by I've seen on other boats, and, if anyone here has added a topping lift, my basic question is what's your experience of the simplest easiest to use approach.
The first two are just a matter of which hardware up top - in both cases it's the standard line up the mast and then down to end of boom:
1) cheek block on side of mast at top, or... 2) eye strap with hanging block on side of mast at top
Or, a different approach:
3) line fast at top of mast and adjust with cleat on boom.
Of 1 and 2, I imagine the cheek block is quieter and simpler but maybe there's advantages to the swivel/swing available with the block hung from eye strap?
Then, 3 seems overall simpler and can be put on/off and adjusted while in the cockpit. But also it adds another line and cleat on the boom, and I don't want to add too much complication there because of existing reefing & outhaul lines & cleats.
cheers, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I don't know if this qualifies, but I have a little metal blade that's screwed on the back stay, like a finger shape. The boom end has a short loop of line. Hook it on the finger and put the sail up. Jazz On May 18, 2016 10:46 PM, "Ron McNeil via montgomery_boats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
John, I suggest #3 but suggest a clip on the end so you can remove it from the boom after raising your sail. You also don't need a block or cleat unless you want to quickly adjust the height while the sail is down. I have mine permanently attached to the top of the mast. On the end that attaches to the boom I have a simple Block with a V-Jam cleat so I can adjust the height. That's attached to a clip which attaches to the boom. While sailing I take it off the boom and clip it on the foot of the mast.
Regards, Ron McNeil Jackpot/M17/#675
Sent from my iPhone
On May 18, 2016, at 9:41 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks all for the rapid response on the topping lift question.
BTW re Dave's setup (thanks for thorough directions and picture as well!), clamcleat now makes a whole line of cleats specifically for inline use - no need to drill out the holes on a standard surface mount one: http://www.clamcleat.com/cleats/cleats.asp?menuid=9
I will ponder the boomkicker...but right now that $135 probably needs to go to higher priority item$ and I'll likely go with option 3 for the time being, either Dave-style with a one-hand inline clamcleat or with a cleat on the boom.
thanks again, John S.
On 05/18/2016 05:12 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: I use method #1 and lead the topping lift to the cockpit on the Port side so as to to make it as easy as possible to manage.
By the way I use a Boomkicker also. I am a belt a suspender kind of guy
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi John,
I prefer #3, which is how Serenity was rigged when I got her... The only change I made was to move the cleat on the boom forward to about 2/3 of the way towards the mast. Even with the out-haul and the reefing lines I felt there was enough room to do a tidy job....
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.*
*Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353*
On 18 May 2016 at 15:19, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm going to put a topping lift on Pajarita. I have various examples to go by I've seen on other boats, and, if anyone here has added a topping lift, my basic question is what's your experience of the simplest easiest to use approach.
The first two are just a matter of which hardware up top - in both cases it's the standard line up the mast and then down to end of boom:
1) cheek block on side of mast at top, or... 2) eye strap with hanging block on side of mast at top
Or, a different approach:
3) line fast at top of mast and adjust with cleat on boom.
Of 1 and 2, I imagine the cheek block is quieter and simpler but maybe there's advantages to the swivel/swing available with the block hung from eye strap?
Then, 3 seems overall simpler and can be put on/off and adjusted while in the cockpit. But also it adds another line and cleat on the boom, and I don't want to add too much complication there because of existing reefing & outhaul lines & cleats.
cheers, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Yeah, I have a cord with clip on the backstay ring that can clip to the butterfly at end of boom and hold the boom up - but only on the centerline of the boat. So when anchored and moving about the cockpit, or needing to reef, etc., the boom can't be off-center and still held up. Topping lift (or boomkicker) holds it up in any position. cheers, John S. On 05/19/2016 12:44 AM, Jazzy wrote:
I don't know if this qualifies, but I have a little metal blade that's screwed on the back stay, like a finger shape. The boom end has a short loop of line. Hook it on the finger and put the sail up.
Jazz On May 18, 2016 10:46 PM, "Ron McNeil via montgomery_boats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
John, I suggest #3 but suggest a clip on the end so you can remove it from the boom after raising your sail. You also don't need a block or cleat unless you want to quickly adjust the height while the sail is down. I have mine permanently attached to the top of the mast. On the end that attaches to the boom I have a simple Block with a V-Jam cleat so I can adjust the height. That's attached to a clip which attaches to the boom. While sailing I take it off the boom and clip it on the foot of the mast.
Regards, Ron McNeil Jackpot/M17/#675
Sent from my iPhone
On May 18, 2016, at 9:41 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks all for the rapid response on the topping lift question.
BTW re Dave's setup (thanks for thorough directions and picture as well!), clamcleat now makes a whole line of cleats specifically for inline use - no need to drill out the holes on a standard surface mount one: http://www.clamcleat.com/cleats/cleats.asp?menuid=9
I will ponder the boomkicker...but right now that $135 probably needs to go to higher priority item$ and I'll likely go with option 3 for the time being, either Dave-style with a one-hand inline clamcleat or with a cleat on the boom.
thanks again, John S.
On 05/18/2016 05:12 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: I use method #1 and lead the topping lift to the cockpit on the Port side so as to to make it as easy as possible to manage.
By the way I use a Boomkicker also. I am a belt a suspender kind of guy
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi John,
I prefer #3, which is how Serenity was rigged when I got her... The only change I made was to move the cleat on the boom forward to about 2/3 of the way towards the mast. Even with the out-haul and the reefing lines I felt there was enough room to do a tidy job....
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.*
*Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353*
On 18 May 2016 at 15:19, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm going to put a topping lift on Pajarita. I have various examples to go by I've seen on other boats, and, if anyone here has added a topping lift, my basic question is what's your experience of the simplest easiest to use approach.
The first two are just a matter of which hardware up top - in both cases it's the standard line up the mast and then down to end of boom:
1) cheek block on side of mast at top, or... 2) eye strap with hanging block on side of mast at top
Or, a different approach:
3) line fast at top of mast and adjust with cleat on boom.
Of 1 and 2, I imagine the cheek block is quieter and simpler but maybe there's advantages to the swivel/swing available with the block hung from eye strap?
Then, 3 seems overall simpler and can be put on/off and adjusted while in the cockpit. But also it adds another line and cleat on the boom, and I don't want to add too much complication there because of existing reefing & outhaul lines & cleats.
cheers, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Ahh I see. Never thought of holding it up AND out. It's never really felt that much in the way, but something to tuck away in the back of my mind! Jazz On May 19, 2016 10:20 AM, "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Yeah, I have a cord with clip on the backstay ring that can clip to the butterfly at end of boom and hold the boom up - but only on the centerline of the boat. So when anchored and moving about the cockpit, or needing to reef, etc., the boom can't be off-center and still held up. Topping lift (or boomkicker) holds it up in any position.
cheers, John S.
On 05/19/2016 12:44 AM, Jazzy wrote:
I don't know if this qualifies, but I have a little metal blade that's screwed on the back stay, like a finger shape. The boom end has a short loop of line. Hook it on the finger and put the sail up.
Jazz On May 18, 2016 10:46 PM, "Ron McNeil via montgomery_boats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
John, I suggest #3 but suggest a clip on the end so you can remove it from
the boom after raising your sail. You also don't need a block or cleat unless you want to quickly adjust the height while the sail is down. I have mine permanently attached to the top of the mast. On the end that attaches to the boom I have a simple Block with a V-Jam cleat so I can adjust the height. That's attached to a clip which attaches to the boom. While sailing I take it off the boom and clip it on the foot of the mast.
Regards, Ron McNeil Jackpot/M17/#675
Sent from my iPhone
On May 18, 2016, at 9:41 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net>
wrote:
Thanks all for the rapid response on the topping lift question.
BTW re Dave's setup (thanks for thorough directions and picture as
well!), clamcleat now makes a whole line of cleats specifically for inline use - no need to drill out the holes on a standard surface mount one:
http://www.clamcleat.com/cleats/cleats.asp?menuid=9
I will ponder the boomkicker...but right now that $135 probably needs to
go to higher priority item$ and I'll likely go with option 3 for the time being, either Dave-style with a one-hand inline clamcleat or with a cleat on the boom.
thanks again, John S.
On 05/18/2016 05:12 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
I use method #1 and lead the topping lift to the cockpit on the Port
side
so as to to make it as easy as possible to manage.
By the way I use a Boomkicker also. I am a belt a suspender kind of guy
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi John,
I prefer #3, which is how Serenity was rigged when I got her... The
only
change I made was to move the cleat on the boom forward to about 2/3
of the
way towards the mast. Even with the out-haul and the reefing lines I
felt
there was enough room to do a tidy job....
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.*
*Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353*
On 18 May 2016 at 15:19, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm going to put a topping lift on Pajarita. > I have various examples to go by I've seen on other boats, and, if > anyone
here has added a topping lift, my basic question is what's your
> experience
> of the simplest easiest to use approach. > > The first two are just a matter of which hardware up top - in both > cases
it's the standard line up the mast and then down to end of boom:
> > 1) cheek block on side of mast at top, or... > 2) eye strap with hanging block on side of mast at top > > Or, a different approach: > > 3) line fast at top of mast and adjust with cleat on boom. > > Of 1 and 2, I imagine the cheek block is quieter and simpler but > maybe > there's advantages to the swivel/swing available with the block hung > from
eye strap?
> > Then, 3 seems overall simpler and can be put on/off and adjusted > while in
the cockpit. But also it adds another line and cleat on the boom, and
> I
don't want to add too much complication there because of existing
> reefing &
> outhaul lines & cleats. > > cheers, > John S. > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com >
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Holding the boom up and out of the way to one side or the other while moored or anchored or in a slip is nice to have. What's much more essential, though, is being able to hold the boom up and off to one side or the other while hove to in a rising wind and putting in a reef. cheers, John S. On 05/19/2016 10:24 AM, Jazzy wrote:
Ahh I see. Never thought of holding it up AND out. It's never really felt that much in the way, but something to tuck away in the back of my mind! Jazz On May 19, 2016 10:20 AM, "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Yeah, I have a cord with clip on the backstay ring that can clip to the butterfly at end of boom and hold the boom up - but only on the centerline of the boat. So when anchored and moving about the cockpit, or needing to reef, etc., the boom can't be off-center and still held up. Topping lift (or boomkicker) holds it up in any position.
cheers, John S.
On 05/19/2016 12:44 AM, Jazzy wrote:
I don't know if this qualifies, but I have a little metal blade that's screwed on the back stay, like a finger shape. The boom end has a short loop of line. Hook it on the finger and put the sail up.
Jazz On May 18, 2016 10:46 PM, "Ron McNeil via montgomery_boats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
John, I suggest #3 but suggest a clip on the end so you can remove it from
the boom after raising your sail. You also don't need a block or cleat unless you want to quickly adjust the height while the sail is down. I have mine permanently attached to the top of the mast. On the end that attaches to the boom I have a simple Block with a V-Jam cleat so I can adjust the height. That's attached to a clip which attaches to the boom. While sailing I take it off the boom and clip it on the foot of the mast.
Regards, Ron McNeil Jackpot/M17/#675
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On May 18, 2016, at 9:41 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net>
wrote:
Thanks all for the rapid response on the topping lift question.
BTW re Dave's setup (thanks for thorough directions and picture as
well!), clamcleat now makes a whole line of cleats specifically for inline use - no need to drill out the holes on a standard surface mount one:
http://www.clamcleat.com/cleats/cleats.asp?menuid=9
I will ponder the boomkicker...but right now that $135 probably needs to
go to higher priority item$ and I'll likely go with option 3 for the time being, either Dave-style with a one-hand inline clamcleat or with a cleat on the boom.
thanks again, John S.
On 05/18/2016 05:12 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
I use method #1 and lead the topping lift to the cockpit on the Port
side
so as to to make it as easy as possible to manage.
By the way I use a Boomkicker also. I am a belt a suspender kind of guy
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi John, > > I prefer #3, which is how Serenity was rigged when I got her... The > only
change I made was to move the cleat on the boom forward to about 2/3
> of the
way towards the mast. Even with the out-haul and the reefing lines I
> felt
there was enough room to do a tidy job....
> > Keith > > *Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.* > > *Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353* > > > > On 18 May 2016 at 15:19, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I'm going to put a topping lift on Pajarita. >> I have various examples to go by I've seen on other boats, and, if >> > anyone
here has added a topping lift, my basic question is what's your
>> > experience > >> of the simplest easiest to use approach. >> >> The first two are just a matter of which hardware up top - in both >> > cases
it's the standard line up the mast and then down to end of boom:
>> >> 1) cheek block on side of mast at top, or... >> 2) eye strap with hanging block on side of mast at top >> >> Or, a different approach: >> >> 3) line fast at top of mast and adjust with cleat on boom. >> >> Of 1 and 2, I imagine the cheek block is quieter and simpler but >> maybe >> there's advantages to the swivel/swing available with the block hung >> > from
eye strap?
>> >> Then, 3 seems overall simpler and can be put on/off and adjusted >> > while in
the cockpit. But also it adds another line and cleat on the boom, and
>> > I
don't want to add too much complication there because of existing
>> > reefing & > >> outhaul lines & cleats. >> >> cheers, >> John S. >> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> > -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
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-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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