Hello everyone, Just finished an 8 day outing on my M15 and it occurred to me, during the voyage, how convenient it'd be to just stow the anchor line and rode directly into a hatch located on the bowdeck. I surely don't use that space below, in the cabin, up by the bow, to store anything important, and how useful it'd be to just stuff most of the anchor line and rode there, into a large plastic tub I suppose, with some kind of bulwark in place separating the area from the rest of the cabin, so as to keep out the not so pleasant odor which accompanies anchor line/rode. When I returned to the ramp, and after pullout, I chatted up a fellow who was in the process, then and there of transferring ownership of his West Wight Potter to another fellow, also there. On the bow deck of the Potter I noticed a small L shaped pipe extruding out of the bow deck with a foot long length of chain coming out of it. He explained that someone had actually stolen the anchor! Anyway, with some internet research, I eventually learned that that pipe is called a "Hawse Pipe". Works for me. Less complicated than a hatch. So was curious if anyone in the group has bothered to install one on their M15 or M17 (or other boat), and has any input on how it's worked out. Thanks in advance, and apologies if this topic has been discussed previously in this forum. - Brad
Brad. The reason the entire M Boat line doesn’t have those deck delamination problems is because the decks are water tight. Cutting a hole will penetrate the Core and create problems with water intrusion. So I’am not for a hawse pipe on a 15. Bob Sent from my iPad
On Oct 23, 2021, at 7:22 AM, brad kurlancheek <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone, Just finished an 8 day outing on my M15 and it occurred to me, during the voyage, how convenient it'd be to just stow the anchor line and rode directly into a hatch located on the bowdeck. I surely don't use that space below, in the cabin, up by the bow, to store anything important, and how useful it'd be to just stuff most of the anchor line and rode there, into a large plastic tub I suppose, with some kind of bulwark in place separating the area from the rest of the cabin, so as to keep out the not so pleasant odor which accompanies anchor line/rode.
When I returned to the ramp, and after pullout, I chatted up a fellow who was in the process, then and there of transferring ownership of his West Wight Potter to another fellow, also there. On the bow deck of the Potter I noticed a small L shaped pipe extruding out of the bow deck with a foot long length of chain coming out of it. He explained that someone had actually stolen the anchor! Anyway, with some internet research, I eventually learned that that pipe is called a "Hawse Pipe". Works for me. Less complicated than a hatch.
So was curious if anyone in the group has bothered to install one on their M15 or M17 (or other boat), and has any input on how it's worked out.
Thanks in advance, and apologies if this topic has been discussed previously in this forum.
- Brad
Agree. Note to self with these temptations: K.I.S.S. On the other hand, it’s your boat. But essential to minimize water access to Balsa core. Additionally: it’s a micro boat. Bow is bad place to stow anchor, chain weight. Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 23, 2021, at 8:03 AM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Brad. The reason the entire M Boat line doesn’t have those deck delamination problems is because the decks are water tight. Cutting a hole will penetrate the Core and create problems with water intrusion. So I’am not for a hawse pipe on a 15. Bob
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 23, 2021, at 7:22 AM, brad kurlancheek <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone, Just finished an 8 day outing on my M15 and it occurred to me, during the voyage, how convenient it'd be to just stow the anchor line and rode directly into a hatch located on the bowdeck. I surely don't use that space below, in the cabin, up by the bow, to store anything important, and how useful it'd be to just stuff most of the anchor line and rode there, into a large plastic tub I suppose, with some kind of bulwark in place separating the area from the rest of the cabin, so as to keep out the not so pleasant odor which accompanies anchor line/rode.
When I returned to the ramp, and after pullout, I chatted up a fellow who was in the process, then and there of transferring ownership of his West Wight Potter to another fellow, also there. On the bow deck of the Potter I noticed a small L shaped pipe extruding out of the bow deck with a foot long length of chain coming out of it. He explained that someone had actually stolen the anchor! Anyway, with some internet research, I eventually learned that that pipe is called a "Hawse Pipe". Works for me. Less complicated than a hatch.
So was curious if anyone in the group has bothered to install one on their M15 or M17 (or other boat), and has any input on how it's worked out.
Thanks in advance, and apologies if this topic has been discussed previously in this forum.
- Brad
https://msogphotosite.com/Scripts/StoryTechnical/storytechnicaldetail.php?id... On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 9:22 AM brad kurlancheek <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone, Just finished an 8 day outing on my M15 and it occurred to me, during the voyage, how convenient it'd be to just stow the anchor line and rode directly into a hatch located on the bowdeck. I surely don't use that space below, in the cabin, up by the bow, to store anything important, and how useful it'd be to just stuff most of the anchor line and rode there, into a large plastic tub I suppose, with some kind of bulwark in place separating the area from the rest of the cabin, so as to keep out the not so pleasant odor which accompanies anchor line/rode.
When I returned to the ramp, and after pullout, I chatted up a fellow who was in the process, then and there of transferring ownership of his West Wight Potter to another fellow, also there. On the bow deck of the Potter I noticed a small L shaped pipe extruding out of the bow deck with a foot long length of chain coming out of it. He explained that someone had actually stolen the anchor! Anyway, with some internet research, I eventually learned that that pipe is called a "Hawse Pipe". Works for me. Less complicated than a hatch.
So was curious if anyone in the group has bothered to install one on their M15 or M17 (or other boat), and has any input on how it's worked out.
Thanks in advance, and apologies if this topic has been discussed previously in this forum.
- Brad
Henry, as always, nicely done- both the work and the documentation! Not an inconsequential project, but one that can be done properly without causing core issues. My biggest question for an m15 would be where the anchor itself is stored and how that affects boat trim given how much lighter the 15s are. Weight forward is good when sailing (and easily offset by crew position) but weight in the very ends leads to hobby horsing in waves and bow down trim at rest (empty, or w crew in the v berth). To make the chain locker worthwhile, you want to have a bow mount anchor (from a safety perspective I want my anchor and chain attached at all times…) Anyone tried that on a 15 and able to report how that affected boat performance? Personally, my gut is to stick with anchoring from the cockpit and keeping tackle in a lazarrette, as often described in this forum. Alex On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 8:58 AM Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
https://msogphotosite.com/Scripts/StoryTechnical/storytechnicaldetail.php?id...
On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 9:22 AM brad kurlancheek <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone, Just finished an 8 day outing on my M15 and it occurred to me, during the voyage, how convenient it'd be to just stow the anchor line and rode directly into a hatch located on the bowdeck. I surely don't use that space below, in the cabin, up by the bow, to store anything important, and how useful it'd be to just stuff most of the anchor line and rode there, into a large plastic tub I suppose, with some kind of bulwark in place separating the area from the rest of the cabin, so as to keep out the not so pleasant odor which accompanies anchor line/rode.
When I returned to the ramp, and after pullout, I chatted up a fellow who was in the process, then and there of transferring ownership of his West Wight Potter to another fellow, also there. On the bow deck of the Potter I noticed a small L shaped pipe extruding out of the bow deck with a foot long length of chain coming out of it. He explained that someone had actually stolen the anchor! Anyway, with some internet research, I eventually learned that that pipe is called a "Hawse Pipe". Works for me. Less complicated than a hatch.
So was curious if anyone in the group has bothered to install one on their M15 or M17 (or other boat), and has any input on how it's worked out.
Thanks in advance, and apologies if this topic has been discussed previously in this forum.
- Brad
Brad: Weight at the bow, or stern, is bad. Increases the amount of hobby horsing. It is safer to launch and retrieve the anchor from the cockpit. I have done this in every Jerry boat I've owned and sailed: M15, M17, Sage 15, SageCat and Sage 17. Storing the anchor as close to amidships as possible is best for boat balance. My M15 had the cockpit locker pans removed so I had LOADS of locker space. See this slideshow and you will see pictures - https://m15namedscred.wordpress.com/slideshow-tour-of-scred/ More details on anchoring see - https://m17-375.com/2018/12/22/anchoring/ A hawse pipe will also leak. In addition to correctly sealing the foredeck core so it doesn't rot, the opening is never ever ever watertight. Bluewater boats go so far as to remove the chain from the anchor and duct tape the opening cover closed to just reduce, not eliminate, the amount of water coming aboard/inside. It is also normal for slow leaking around the chain when the ground tackle is ready to deploy or is deployed in rain. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 7:22 AM brad kurlancheek <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone, Just finished an 8 day outing on my M15 and it occurred to me, during the voyage, how convenient it'd be to just stow the anchor line and rode directly into a hatch located on the bowdeck. I surely don't use that space below, in the cabin, up by the bow, to store anything important, and how useful it'd be to just stuff most of the anchor line and rode there, into a large plastic tub I suppose, with some kind of bulwark in place separating the area from the rest of the cabin, so as to keep out the not so pleasant odor which accompanies anchor line/rode.
When I returned to the ramp, and after pullout, I chatted up a fellow who was in the process, then and there of transferring ownership of his West Wight Potter to another fellow, also there. On the bow deck of the Potter I noticed a small L shaped pipe extruding out of the bow deck with a foot long length of chain coming out of it. He explained that someone had actually stolen the anchor! Anyway, with some internet research, I eventually learned that that pipe is called a "Hawse Pipe". Works for me. Less complicated than a hatch.
So was curious if anyone in the group has bothered to install one on their M15 or M17 (or other boat), and has any input on how it's worked out.
Thanks in advance, and apologies if this topic has been discussed previously in this forum.
- Brad
Concur. I like to sail to the top of an anchorage and lay out anchor sailing back down wind, from stern. Set it dead down wind if wind very light. If heavy wind heave to, drift back. Anchor in tub, line piled in, not neatly coiled. Never a problem paying out. Snub at bow of course, while drifting back. I do straddle bow to pick it up though if wind is blowing and I’m sailing off the hook. Anchor in stored in tub on top of line pile, always ready. Weight in middle of boat. Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 23, 2021, at 2:50 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad:
Weight at the bow, or stern, is bad. Increases the amount of hobby horsing.
It is safer to launch and retrieve the anchor from the cockpit. I have done this in every Jerry boat I've owned and sailed: M15, M17, Sage 15, SageCat and Sage 17.
Storing the anchor as close to amidships as possible is best for boat balance.
My M15 had the cockpit locker pans removed so I had LOADS of locker space. See this slideshow and you will see pictures -
https://m15namedscred.wordpress.com/slideshow-tour-of-scred/
More details on anchoring see -
https://m17-375.com/2018/12/22/anchoring/
A hawse pipe will also leak. In addition to correctly sealing the foredeck core so it doesn't rot, the opening is never ever ever watertight. Bluewater boats go so far as to remove the chain from the anchor and duct tape the opening cover closed to just reduce, not eliminate, the amount of water coming aboard/inside. It is also normal for slow leaking around the chain when the ground tackle is ready to deploy or is deployed in rain.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 7:22 AM brad kurlancheek <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone, Just finished an 8 day outing on my M15 and it occurred to me, during the voyage, how convenient it'd be to just stow the anchor line and rode directly into a hatch located on the bowdeck. I surely don't use that space below, in the cabin, up by the bow, to store anything important, and how useful it'd be to just stuff most of the anchor line and rode there, into a large plastic tub I suppose, with some kind of bulwark in place separating the area from the rest of the cabin, so as to keep out the not so pleasant odor which accompanies anchor line/rode.
When I returned to the ramp, and after pullout, I chatted up a fellow who was in the process, then and there of transferring ownership of his West Wight Potter to another fellow, also there. On the bow deck of the Potter I noticed a small L shaped pipe extruding out of the bow deck with a foot long length of chain coming out of it. He explained that someone had actually stolen the anchor! Anyway, with some internet research, I eventually learned that that pipe is called a "Hawse Pipe". Works for me. Less complicated than a hatch.
So was curious if anyone in the group has bothered to install one on their M15 or M17 (or other boat), and has any input on how it's worked out.
Thanks in advance, and apologies if this topic has been discussed previously in this forum.
- Brad
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