I was able to test my twin jibs on my M15 used as staysails for self steering down wind. This is anticipation of a trip to the Dry Tortugas. When I had my new jib made (2000) I had the sailmaker offset the hanks from the old jib so I could rig them on the same stay. If I rigged them on the forstay I thought it would impede visibility too much so I lashed a block about 2 ft above the shrouds and put in a halyard. Of course this is an experiment only as I could no longer raise the main. I tied a 15 ft line in a loop through the head of the two sails and threaded the line down through all of the hanks, through the eye forward of the forestay and back through the tack of both sails. This would give a two part purchase when raising the flying sails. The whole contraption has to be raised "flying" without using the forestay. So I arranged the sail around the forestay and put up both poles and tied the two sheets off to the tiller, somewhat loosely so it didn't interfere with raising the sail. Raising the sail this way sort of worked. I have no topping lift lines on the poles so they were both in the water with part of the sail and one pole came out at sail end while I raised the sail. The boat came broadside to the wind with no ill effects. Good thing the winds were light. The self steering aspects worked very well. The boat wandered about 20 deg but with the light winds and powerboat wakes I couldn't tell what was going on. I consider them a success but the sail area of the two jibs is quite small and I will need bigger staysails for light air. Thanks, Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" M15 #310 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2