Henry, I have a rigging drawing dated '1973' that shows the 'J' dimension as 6'-7" - you are fine at that number - that is approx. .04" less than 'J' - as my grandson likes to say (20 mo) "OOhh myy! We can ask Jerry if the 7.16' is for the flush deck?? Have Fun Go sailing. GO In a message dated 5/26/2016 8:33:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, heinzir@gmail.com writes: I have seen two different figures published for the "J" measurement of the M17: 6.58 ft and 7.16 ft. I'm guessing that the longer one is for the original (and newest?) boats that have the forestay pinned at the tip of the bow and the shorter is for the newer style boats that have the forestay pinned back from the bow about 6". I think I ordered sails using the shorter "J" measurement and shortchanged myself! My 150 is actually 137 and my 135 is closer to 125! Henry On Thursday, May 26, 2016, <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
Genoa size is luff perpendicular (LP) expressed a percentage of the J measurement. LP is the length of a line drawn from the clew to the forestay intersecting the forestay at a 90 degree angle. The J measurement is the length of a line from the forestay pin back to the mast intersecting the mast at a 90 degree angle. On an M17 it is an imaginary line because the mast doesn't actually extend down that far down. There is some conflicting info out there but I believe the J measurement on an M17 is approximately 6 1/2'. Maybe someone else can chime in with the exact number. Measure your LP and compare it to that to determine what you have. For example, an LP of 10' corresponds roughly to a 150 genoa.
If your genoa is an older hank-on, it is probably a 150. If it is on a roller-furler, it might be a little smaller. I run a 135, which is a popular size for a roller furling genoa.
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From: "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:41:37 PM Subject: M_Boats: Genoa size...
Hi all, was just pondering my tired sails. How does one know what size Genoa is installed? Thanks!
Couple of updates...
Stoked for Mem Day...trailering to Pleasant Harbor Marina where we have a slot for a night, full amenities and a motor couple coming to join the festivities. Should be good pirate fun.
Last week I took my friends son out. He's 18 and had never been in a sailboat, we spent a few hours tooling around the harbor, I worked him hard on terminology, parking, stopping at random buoys, starting and stopping the motor, approaching objects slowly... boy was he surprised when I hopped off and told him to take a solo lap at the end of the day! Hahaha. Reminded me of flight instructor days. His dad told me afterward he couldn't stop talking about it. Now dad wants to go. Maybe got us two new sailors... do share your boats and teach some youngsters! What's a dock ding or two compared to passing the torch?? Hahaha. A bonus was that I got to see my boat cruising around. They are quite graceful and salty looking when off their trailer aren't they ? ;) Much sexier than the Harbor 20 that was buzzing around.
Found a slip for 110 a month 8 minutes from home...sooo tempted. Comments? Is the bottom going to hell in a hand basket?
Jazz
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Sailrite has some of the original handwritten sail sizes and dimensions: http://fabric-calculator.sailrite.com/ShowAd.aspx?id=5832&SourceID=%200%20&BoatName=MONTGOMERY+17 Also I had a local friend who's a big boat engineer/sailboat cruiser and racer/local rep for Mack Sails come measure my flush deck 17 to get it right on the money for my odd duck of a 17. We climbed all around the boat for a while with a long tape measure. You probably have the same ability to find a maker there. There are a few articles in the depths of MSOG.org where Jerry M talks about his "suit" of sail for the M17 and the Sage 17, though that's a fractional rigged boat. He was a big fan of a super light BIG reacher as well as a 150. Both of which I have if there's any interest in dimensions (not too many flush decks though). Have fun! New sails from my late 70's M17: wow! Tim On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 1:40 AM, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Henry,
I have a rigging drawing dated '1973' that shows the 'J' dimension as 6'-7" - you are fine at that number - that is approx. .04" less than 'J' - as my grandson likes to say (20 mo) "OOhh myy!
We can ask Jerry if the 7.16' is for the flush deck??
Have Fun Go sailing.
GO
In a message dated 5/26/2016 8:33:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, heinzir@gmail.com writes:
I have seen two different figures published for the "J" measurement of the M17: 6.58 ft and 7.16 ft. I'm guessing that the longer one is for the original (and newest?) boats that have the forestay pinned at the tip of the bow and the shorter is for the newer style boats that have the forestay pinned back from the bow about 6".
I think I ordered sails using the shorter "J" measurement and shortchanged myself! My 150 is actually 137 and my 135 is closer to 125!
Henry
On Thursday, May 26, 2016, <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
Genoa size is luff perpendicular (LP) expressed a percentage of the J measurement. LP is the length of a line drawn from the clew to the forestay intersecting the forestay at a 90 degree angle. The J measurement is the length of a line from the forestay pin back to the mast intersecting the mast at a 90 degree angle. On an M17 it is an imaginary line because the mast doesn't actually extend down that far down. There is some conflicting info out there but I believe the J measurement on an M17 is approximately 6 1/2'. Maybe someone else can chime in with the exact number. Measure your LP and compare it to that to determine what you have. For example, an LP of 10' corresponds roughly to a 150 genoa.
If your genoa is an older hank-on, it is probably a 150. If it is on a roller-furler, it might be a little smaller. I run a 135, which is a popular size for a roller furling genoa.
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From: "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:41:37 PM Subject: M_Boats: Genoa size...
Hi all, was just pondering my tired sails. How does one know what size Genoa is installed? Thanks!
Couple of updates...
Stoked for Mem Day...trailering to Pleasant Harbor Marina where we have a slot for a night, full amenities and a motor couple coming to join the festivities. Should be good pirate fun.
Last week I took my friends son out. He's 18 and had never been in a sailboat, we spent a few hours tooling around the harbor, I worked him hard on terminology, parking, stopping at random buoys, starting and stopping the motor, approaching objects slowly... boy was he surprised when I hopped off and told him to take a solo lap at the end of the day! Hahaha. Reminded me of flight instructor days. His dad told me afterward he couldn't stop talking about it. Now dad wants to go. Maybe got us two new sailors... do share your boats and teach some youngsters! What's a dock ding or two compared to passing the torch?? Hahaha. A bonus was that I got to see my boat cruising around. They are quite graceful and salty looking when off their trailer aren't they ? ;) Much sexier than the Harbor 20 that was buzzing around.
Found a slip for 110 a month 8 minutes from home...sooo tempted. Comments? Is the bottom going to hell in a hand basket?
Jazz
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Jerry, could you chime in and help clarify the differences in the M17 "J" measurements ? Tim and Gary, I'm aware of the Sailrite data and have a copy of the handwritten chart of sail sizes in my files. That's where the 6.58 J measurement comes from. But on the MSOG web site under "Measurements as supplied by Jerry Montgomery" the M17 J is shown as 7.16 The tall rig is shown as having the same 7.16 J. No info on the flush deck version. I would think getting the J measurement for a flush deck boat would be a simple matter of measuring from the forestay fitting to the mast. Not so simple with a conventional boat; the cabin is in the way. You can get an approximation but not an exact measurement. I suppose you can using trig and math too advanced for my simple brain. My 1979 boat has the bow fitting for the forestay all the way forward. I know that some later models have the fitting mounted quite a bit further aft. Could that be the reason for the different published measurements? Tim, I would love to see the dimensions of your reacher and 150 if you don't mind posting them. Henry On Friday, May 27, 2016, Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> wrote:
Sailrite has some of the original handwritten sail sizes and dimensions:
http://fabric-calculator.sailrite.com/ShowAd.aspx?id=5832&SourceID=%200%20&BoatName=MONTGOMERY+17
Also I had a local friend who's a big boat engineer/sailboat cruiser and racer/local rep for Mack Sails come measure my flush deck 17 to get it right on the money for my odd duck of a 17. We climbed all around the boat for a while with a long tape measure. You probably have the same ability to find a maker there. There are a few articles in the depths of MSOG.org where Jerry M talks about his "suit" of sail for the M17 and the Sage 17, though that's a fractional rigged boat. He was a big fan of a super light BIG reacher as well as a 150. Both of which I have if there's any interest in dimensions (not too many flush decks though). Have fun! New sails from my late 70's M17: wow!
Tim
On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 1:40 AM, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Henry,
I have a rigging drawing dated '1973' that shows the 'J' dimension as 6'-7" - you are fine at that number - that is approx. .04" less than 'J' - as my grandson likes to say (20 mo) "OOhh myy!
We can ask Jerry if the 7.16' is for the flush deck??
Have Fun Go sailing.
GO
In a message dated 5/26/2016 8:33:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, heinzir@gmail.com <javascript:;> writes:
I have seen two different figures published for the "J" measurement of the M17: 6.58 ft and 7.16 ft. I'm guessing that the longer one is for the original (and newest?) boats that have the forestay pinned at the tip of the bow and the shorter is for the newer style boats that have the forestay pinned back from the bow about 6".
I think I ordered sails using the shorter "J" measurement and shortchanged myself! My 150 is actually 137 and my 135 is closer to 125!
Henry
On Thursday, May 26, 2016, <swwheatley@comcast.net <javascript:;>> wrote:
Genoa size is luff perpendicular (LP) expressed a percentage of the J measurement. LP is the length of a line drawn from the clew to the forestay intersecting the forestay at a 90 degree angle. The J measurement is the length of a line from the forestay pin back to the mast intersecting the mast at a 90 degree angle. On an M17 it is an imaginary line because the mast doesn't actually extend down that far down. There is some conflicting info out there but I believe the J measurement on an M17 is approximately 6 1/2'. Maybe someone else can chime in with the exact number. Measure your LP and compare it to that to determine what you have. For example, an LP of 10' corresponds roughly to a 150 genoa.
If your genoa is an older hank-on, it is probably a 150. If it is on a roller-furler, it might be a little smaller. I run a 135, which is a popular size for a roller furling genoa.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:41:37 PM Subject: M_Boats: Genoa size...
Hi all, was just pondering my tired sails. How does one know what size Genoa is installed? Thanks!
Couple of updates...
Stoked for Mem Day...trailering to Pleasant Harbor Marina where we have a slot for a night, full amenities and a motor couple coming to join the festivities. Should be good pirate fun.
Last week I took my friends son out. He's 18 and had never been in a sailboat, we spent a few hours tooling around the harbor, I worked him hard on terminology, parking, stopping at random buoys, starting and stopping the motor, approaching objects slowly... boy was he surprised when I hopped off and told him to take a solo lap at the end of the day! Hahaha. Reminded me of flight instructor days. His dad told me afterward he couldn't stop talking about it. Now dad wants to go. Maybe got us two new sailors... do share your boats and teach some youngsters! What's a dock ding or two compared to passing the torch?? Hahaha. A bonus was that I got to see my boat cruising around. They are quite graceful and salty looking when off their trailer aren't they ? ;) Much sexier than the Harbor 20 that was buzzing around.
Found a slip for 110 a month 8 minutes from home...sooo tempted. Comments? Is the bottom going to hell in a hand basket?
Jazz
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Henry, I haven't yet measured the headsails but the middle of the stem fitting to the forward edge of the mast is 7' 1 3/4"(J=85.75"), the mast is virtually exactly 25' and the boom and the spinnaker pole are both 8'. I have a laminate main that has just a little extra roach and a laminate hank on (actually snap on) 130ish. Just ordered a soft hank, since my stays and shrouds are Colligo dux for very easy rigging, Dacron 105 with a reef in it and a symmetrical stable elliptical spinnaker. The original Dacron 150 and 170 nylon drifter I don't plan to keep on the boat. I'm not racing at all but not really cruising either. Day sails and rarely up to a week camping off the boat here in northern Lake Michigan and Huron. 85 degrees and 95% humidity right out of the gates this season. Snowed two weeks ago. The whole day free for sailing tomorrow! Have a great Memorial Day Tim On Friday, May 27, 2016, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry, could you chime in and help clarify the differences in the M17 "J" measurements ?
Tim and Gary, I'm aware of the Sailrite data and have a copy of the handwritten chart of sail sizes in my files. That's where the 6.58 J measurement comes from. But on the MSOG web site under "Measurements as supplied by Jerry Montgomery" the M17 J is shown as 7.16 The tall rig is shown as having the same 7.16 J. No info on the flush deck version. I would think getting the J measurement for a flush deck boat would be a simple matter of measuring from the forestay fitting to the mast. Not so simple with a conventional boat; the cabin is in the way. You can get an approximation but not an exact measurement. I suppose you can using trig and math too advanced for my simple brain. My 1979 boat has the bow fitting for the forestay all the way forward. I know that some later models have the fitting mounted quite a bit further aft. Could that be the reason for the different published measurements?
Tim, I would love to see the dimensions of your reacher and 150 if you don't mind posting them.
Henry
On Friday, May 27, 2016, Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us <javascript:;>> wrote:
Sailrite has some of the original handwritten sail sizes and dimensions:
http://fabric-calculator.sailrite.com/ShowAd.aspx?id=5832&SourceID=%200%20&BoatName=MONTGOMERY+17
Also I had a local friend who's a big boat engineer/sailboat cruiser and racer/local rep for Mack Sails come measure my flush deck 17 to get it right on the money for my odd duck of a 17. We climbed all around the
boat
for a while with a long tape measure. You probably have the same ability to find a maker there. There are a few articles in the depths of MSOG.org where Jerry M talks about his "suit" of sail for the M17 and the Sage 17, though that's a fractional rigged boat. He was a big fan of a super light BIG reacher as well as a 150. Both of which I have if there's any interest in dimensions (not too many flush decks though). Have fun! New sails from my late 70's M17: wow!
Tim
On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 1:40 AM, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote:
Henry,
I have a rigging drawing dated '1973' that shows the 'J' dimension as 6'-7" - you are fine at that number - that is approx. .04" less than 'J' - as my grandson likes to say (20 mo) "OOhh myy!
We can ask Jerry if the 7.16' is for the flush deck??
Have Fun Go sailing.
GO
In a message dated 5/26/2016 8:33:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, heinzir@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;> writes:
I have seen two different figures published for the "J" measurement of the M17: 6.58 ft and 7.16 ft. I'm guessing that the longer one is for the original (and newest?) boats that have the forestay pinned at the tip of the bow and the shorter is for the newer style boats that have the forestay pinned back from the bow about 6".
I think I ordered sails using the shorter "J" measurement and shortchanged myself! My 150 is actually 137 and my 135 is closer to 125!
Henry
On Thursday, May 26, 2016, <swwheatley@comcast.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote:
Genoa size is luff perpendicular (LP) expressed a percentage of the J measurement. LP is the length of a line drawn from the clew to the forestay intersecting the forestay at a 90 degree angle. The J measurement is the length of a line from the forestay pin back to the mast intersecting the mast at a 90 degree angle. On an M17 it is an imaginary line because the mast doesn't actually extend down that far down. There is some conflicting info out there but I believe the J measurement on an M17 is approximately 6 1/2'. Maybe someone else can chime in with the exact number. Measure your LP and compare it to that to determine what you have. For example, an LP of 10' corresponds roughly to a 150 genoa.
If your genoa is an older hank-on, it is probably a 150. If it is on a roller-furler, it might be a little smaller. I run a 135, which is a popular size for a roller furling genoa.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:41:37 PM Subject: M_Boats: Genoa size...
Hi all, was just pondering my tired sails. How does one know what size Genoa is installed? Thanks!
Couple of updates...
Stoked for Mem Day...trailering to Pleasant Harbor Marina where we have a slot for a night, full amenities and a motor couple coming to join the festivities. Should be good pirate fun.
Last week I took my friends son out. He's 18 and had never been in a sailboat, we spent a few hours tooling around the harbor, I worked him hard on terminology, parking, stopping at random buoys, starting and stopping the motor, approaching objects slowly... boy was he surprised when I hopped off and told him to take a solo lap at the end of the day! Hahaha. Reminded me of flight instructor days. His dad told me afterward he couldn't stop talking about it. Now dad wants to go. Maybe got us two new sailors... do share your boats and teach some youngsters! What's a dock ding or two compared to passing the torch?? Hahaha. A bonus was that I got to see my boat cruising around. They are quite graceful and salty looking when off their trailer aren't they ? ;) Much sexier than the Harbor 20 that was buzzing around.
Found a slip for 110 a month 8 minutes from home...sooo tempted. Comments? Is the bottom going to hell in a hand basket?
Jazz
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Thanks, Judy, for the great information. I OWE YOU A BEER! I went out and measured and sure enough it is 6'7"! I guess I was overthinking it. I thought that with the cabin in the way I couldn't get a true right angle to the mast and so the measurement wouldn't be accurate. But I moved my tape measure around and found that at the most I might be off an Inch or so but nowhere near the 6+ inches difference suggested by the 7.16 J posted on the MSOG site. Tim's response below seems to indicate that that is the measurement for the tall rig. He just measured his at 7'1-3/4" which is right on. Tim, thanks for the response and for helping clear this up in my mind. Once again science and technology overcame fear and superstition! Henry On Saturday, May 28, 2016, Judith Blumhorst, DC <drjudyb@blumhorst.com> wrote:
Henry, if you want to know what the J dimension is on your boat, just measure it! I'd be willing to bet you a beer that it's within an inch or two of 6'7" , based on my experience with measurements taken from a bunch of M17's. I have a copy of Jerry's original sailplan drawings, probably the same ones that Gary has. A couple of years ago, Jerry made copies and sent them to a folks who needed them in order to support the Montgomery owners community . As a sailmaker, I was lucky enough to be one of the recipients. The plans indicate that the J dimension is 6'7". All good sailmakers build sails to the actual measurements of the rig. My customers have confirmed the "J" dimension several times, +or - an inch. So I'm placing my bet on 6' 7" = 6.58' . The other number is probably just plain erroneous. For hank on headsails, the most popular headsails are the 109% and 150%, but a 130 or 35 works fine too. The toe rail tracks on the boats built by Jerry can accommodate any size you want, with whatever clew height your sailmaker recommends for your particular purposes (ie, windward-leeward racing vs cruising including reaching). The genoa tracks on the more recently built Bob E built boats are long enough to accommodate just about any size genoa as well. For cruising boats with roller furlers, 135-ish is the most versatile for most cruisers, because it still has a good shape when reefed to about a 110%. But if you typically sail in very light winds, then a 150% might be better. If you sail in heavier winds, maybe a 109% is the best. For super light winds, a Cruising Code Zero (on an itty bitty free-flying furler like the Ronstan Series 80) and tacked to the bow pulpit would be awesome. It's much bigger and more powerful than a 170 drifter - it's about twice as big as a 150% genoa! It will sail as high as 55 degrees true wind angle (30 degrees apparent), so you can go to weather with it. For sailing downind in light air, a Cruising Zero won't sail as deep as a Cruising Asymm, but you can still jibe your way downwind sailing as deep as maybe 135 or 140 degrees, depending on wind strength. It's so big and powerful that you can get the boat going 2.5 kts at a true wind angle of 135%, in 3 knots of wind. A drifter can't do that. You can play around with apparent wind angles and boat speeds at http://www.hydesailsdirect.com/Articles.asp?ID=278 . The take home message is this: If the boats is fast enough, the apparent wind angle is going to be a beat, even if the true wind is aft of your beam.
Judy Bwww.hydesailsdirect.com
From: GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:40 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Genoa size...
Henry,
I have a rigging drawing dated '1973' that shows the 'J' dimension as 6'-7" - you are fine at that number - that is approx. .04" less than 'J' - as my grandson likes to say (20 mo) "OOhh myy!
We can ask Jerry if the 7.16' is for the flush deck??
Have Fun Go sailing.
GO
In a message dated 5/26/2016 8:33:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, heinzir@gmail.com writes:
I have seen two different figures published for the "J" measurement of the M17: 6.58 ft and 7.16 ft. I'm guessing that the longer one is for the original (and newest?) boats that have the forestay pinned at the tip of the bow and the shorter is for the newer style boats that have the forestay pinned back from the bow about 6".
I think I ordered sails using the shorter "J" measurement and shortchanged myself! My 150 is actually 137 and my 135 is closer to 125!
Henry
On Thursday, May 26, 2016, <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
Genoa size is luff perpendicular (LP) expressed a percentage of the J measurement. LP is the length of a line drawn from the clew to the forestay intersecting the forestay at a 90 degree angle. The J measurement is the length of a line from the forestay pin back to the mast intersecting the mast at a 90 degree angle. On an M17 it is an imaginary line because the mast doesn't actually extend down that far down. There is some conflicting info out there but I believe the J measurement on an M17 is approximately 6 1/2'. Maybe someone else can chime in with the exact number. Measure your LP and compare it to that to determine what you have. For example, an LP of 10' corresponds roughly to a 150 genoa.
If your genoa is an older hank-on, it is probably a 150. If it is on a roller-furler, it might be a little smaller. I run a 135, which is a popular size for a roller furling genoa.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:41:37 PM Subject: M_Boats: Genoa size...
Hi all, was just pondering my tired sails. How does one know what size Genoa is installed? Thanks!
Couple of updates...
Stoked for Mem Day...trailering to Pleasant Harbor Marina where we have a slot for a night, full amenities and a motor couple coming to join the festivities. Should be good pirate fun.
Last week I took my friends son out. He's 18 and had never been in a sailboat, we spent a few hours tooling around the harbor, I worked him hard on terminology, parking, stopping at random buoys, starting and stopping the motor, approaching objects slowly... boy was he surprised when I hopped off and told him to take a solo lap at the end of the day! Hahaha. Reminded me of flight instructor days. His dad told me afterward he couldn't stop talking about it. Now dad wants to go. Maybe got us two new sailors... do share your boats and teach some youngsters! What's a dock ding or two compared to passing the torch?? Hahaha. A bonus was that I got to see my boat cruising around. They are quite graceful and salty looking when off their trailer aren't they ? ;) Much sexier than the Harbor 20 that was buzzing around.
Found a slip for 110 a month 8 minutes from home...sooo tempted. Comments? Is the bottom going to hell in a hand basket?
Jazz
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Henry- I'm 99% positive that my 17's have never strayed from the 6'7" measurement, as designed by Lyle Hess. The flush deck is longer but offhand I don't remember by how much. 7.16 seems a bit light. My drawing room is a wreck right now because of some drawing I'm doing for Sage, but when I run across the flush deck sailplan I'll post it here. I know that Eg moved the headstay fitting back several inches; as to why I have no idea. Decreases performance, weakens the rig (I've fixed several of them that were cracking out by taking them back to the original). Unless he moved the mast aft a corresponding amount the J would be decreased. Sounds like something a non -sailor would do. -----Original Message----- From: Henry Rodriguez Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 5:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Genoa size... Jerry, could you chime in and help clarify the differences in the M17 "J" measurements ? Tim and Gary, I'm aware of the Sailrite data and have a copy of the handwritten chart of sail sizes in my files. That's where the 6.58 J measurement comes from. But on the MSOG web site under "Measurements as supplied by Jerry Montgomery" the M17 J is shown as 7.16 The tall rig is shown as having the same 7.16 J. No info on the flush deck version. I would think getting the J measurement for a flush deck boat would be a simple matter of measuring from the forestay fitting to the mast. Not so simple with a conventional boat; the cabin is in the way. You can get an approximation but not an exact measurement. I suppose you can using trig and math too advanced for my simple brain. My 1979 boat has the bow fitting for the forestay all the way forward. I know that some later models have the fitting mounted quite a bit further aft. Could that be the reason for the different published measurements? Tim, I would love to see the dimensions of your reacher and 150 if you don't mind posting them. Henry On Friday, May 27, 2016, Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> wrote:
Sailrite has some of the original handwritten sail sizes and dimensions:
http://fabric-calculator.sailrite.com/ShowAd.aspx?id=5832&SourceID=%200%20&BoatName=MONTGOMERY+17
Also I had a local friend who's a big boat engineer/sailboat cruiser and racer/local rep for Mack Sails come measure my flush deck 17 to get it right on the money for my odd duck of a 17. We climbed all around the boat for a while with a long tape measure. You probably have the same ability to find a maker there. There are a few articles in the depths of MSOG.org where Jerry M talks about his "suit" of sail for the M17 and the Sage 17, though that's a fractional rigged boat. He was a big fan of a super light BIG reacher as well as a 150. Both of which I have if there's any interest in dimensions (not too many flush decks though). Have fun! New sails from my late 70's M17: wow!
Tim
On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 1:40 AM, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Henry,
I have a rigging drawing dated '1973' that shows the 'J' dimension as 6'-7" - you are fine at that number - that is approx. .04" less than 'J' - as my grandson likes to say (20 mo) "OOhh myy!
We can ask Jerry if the 7.16' is for the flush deck??
Have Fun Go sailing.
GO
In a message dated 5/26/2016 8:33:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, heinzir@gmail.com <javascript:;> writes:
I have seen two different figures published for the "J" measurement of the M17: 6.58 ft and 7.16 ft. I'm guessing that the longer one is for the original (and newest?) boats that have the forestay pinned at the tip of the bow and the shorter is for the newer style boats that have the forestay pinned back from the bow about 6".
I think I ordered sails using the shorter "J" measurement and shortchanged myself! My 150 is actually 137 and my 135 is closer to 125!
Henry
On Thursday, May 26, 2016, <swwheatley@comcast.net <javascript:;>> wrote:
Genoa size is luff perpendicular (LP) expressed a percentage of the J measurement. LP is the length of a line drawn from the clew to the forestay intersecting the forestay at a 90 degree angle. The J measurement is the length of a line from the forestay pin back to the mast intersecting the mast at a 90 degree angle. On an M17 it is an imaginary line because the mast doesn't actually extend down that far down. There is some conflicting info out there but I believe the J measurement on an M17 is approximately 6 1/2'. Maybe someone else can chime in with the exact number. Measure your LP and compare it to that to determine what you have. For example, an LP of 10' corresponds roughly to a 150 genoa.
If your genoa is an older hank-on, it is probably a 150. If it is on a roller-furler, it might be a little smaller. I run a 135, which is a popular size for a roller furling genoa.
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From: "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:41:37 PM Subject: M_Boats: Genoa size...
Hi all, was just pondering my tired sails. How does one know what size Genoa is installed? Thanks!
Couple of updates...
Stoked for Mem Day...trailering to Pleasant Harbor Marina where we have a slot for a night, full amenities and a motor couple coming to join the festivities. Should be good pirate fun.
Last week I took my friends son out. He's 18 and had never been in a sailboat, we spent a few hours tooling around the harbor, I worked him hard on terminology, parking, stopping at random buoys, starting and stopping the motor, approaching objects slowly... boy was he surprised when I hopped off and told him to take a solo lap at the end of the day! Hahaha. Reminded me of flight instructor days. His dad told me afterward he couldn't stop talking about it. Now dad wants to go. Maybe got us two new sailors... do share your boats and teach some youngsters! What's a dock ding or two compared to passing the torch?? Hahaha. A bonus was that I got to see my boat cruising around. They are quite graceful and salty looking when off their trailer aren't they ? ;) Much sexier than the Harbor 20 that was buzzing around.
Found a slip for 110 a month 8 minutes from home...sooo tempted. Comments? Is the bottom going to hell in a hand basket?
Jazz
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We use the same measurements on the J as all the M_17s. We did move the plate back 1.25 inches in 1998 as well as the mast step. So the sail area is still the same, the J is identical. No performance loss. We've won the Cruiser challenge with this rig. And our 17 did a mid-winter crossing of the Pacific. It's not an issue and the stainless fitting is in fact Stronger with a better stainless backing plate. We lift the boat at Yacht Clubs using this Stainless tach plate. Being 1.25 inches back allows us to install a really strong stainless Backing plate over a reinforced deck area where otherwise access to this area would be Impossible after the boat is decked. The mast is back 1.25 inches as well. So the J is the same. We've never heard of an issue or a repair being done of any kind. Funny story. If you have a story about this come forward now. With photos and documentation. As opposed to actual true issues with older boats and people losing resale value because of Keel issues. Stuck centerboards and resale values plummeting. Our work over the years repairing and providing replacement boards is EPIC. I owe a lot to this predicament and have made enough money to buy 2 Massage Parlor's and a Bar in Bangkok Thailand. :-) Bob
What boat did you wind the cruiser challenge with? Are you talking about the time Bob Campbell and I won the race about 10 or 15 years ago? That was the first boat that I fixed the bowpiece problem, for two reasons- 1. it was cracking out the foredeck and he sails on SF Bay. 2. It was a LOT more than 1.25" and it was obviously closing up the slot and decreasing the J at the same time. I don't remember a backing plate, and even it it had one it wouldn't be nearly as strong as the proper way. Quit telling lies and get a life. If you quit telling lies about my boats I'll quit telling the truth about yours. You know how you are. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Eeg Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 4:08 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Genoa size... We use the same measurements on the J as all the M_17s. We did move the plate back 1.25 inches in 1998 as well as the mast step. So the sail area is still the same, the J is identical. No performance loss. We've won the Cruiser challenge with this rig. And our 17 did a mid-winter crossing of the Pacific. It's not an issue and the stainless fitting is in fact Stronger with a better stainless backing plate. We lift the boat at Yacht Clubs using this Stainless tach plate. Being 1.25 inches back allows us to install a really strong stainless Backing plate over a reinforced deck area where otherwise access to this area would be Impossible after the boat is decked. The mast is back 1.25 inches as well. So the J is the same. We've never heard of an issue or a repair being done of any kind. Funny story. If you have a story about this come forward now. With photos and documentation. As opposed to actual true issues with older boats and people losing resale value because of Keel issues. Stuck centerboards and resale values plummeting. Our work over the years repairing and providing replacement boards is EPIC. I owe a lot to this predicament and have made enough money to buy 2 Massage Parlor's and a Bar in Bangkok Thailand. :-) Bob
Sitting/sailing on my 1977 flushdeck today. The mast step appears to be where it has always been ( it lines up with deck penetrations and compression post mount position etc) and it's exactly 85 3/4" to the middle hole of the three holes in the stem head fitting to the leading edge of the mast. I will say every one of these few surviving flush decks I looked at for inspiration had a different deck setup. I ran with what this one had for J since here was no suggestions after many solicitations for what it should have been as I was restoring the boat. The rest of the deck layout I changed out of necessity or logic. So far so good... Yes, the North Channel, Les Chenaux Islands, Drummond Island and others Had fun this pm out there in Little Traverse Bay! Tim On Monday, May 30, 2016, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
Henry- I'm 99% positive that my 17's have never strayed from the 6'7" measurement, as designed by Lyle Hess. The flush deck is longer but offhand I don't remember by how much. 7.16 seems a bit light. My drawing room is a wreck right now because of some drawing I'm doing for Sage, but when I run across the flush deck sailplan I'll post it here.
I know that Eg moved the headstay fitting back several inches; as to why I have no idea. Decreases performance, weakens the rig (I've fixed several of them that were cracking out by taking them back to the original). Unless he moved the mast aft a corresponding amount the J would be decreased. Sounds like something a non -sailor would do.
-----Original Message----- From: Henry Rodriguez Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 5:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Genoa size...
Jerry, could you chime in and help clarify the differences in the M17 "J" measurements ?
Tim and Gary, I'm aware of the Sailrite data and have a copy of the handwritten chart of sail sizes in my files. That's where the 6.58 J measurement comes from. But on the MSOG web site under "Measurements as supplied by Jerry Montgomery" the M17 J is shown as 7.16 The tall rig is shown as having the same 7.16 J. No info on the flush deck version. I would think getting the J measurement for a flush deck boat would be a simple matter of measuring from the forestay fitting to the mast. Not so simple with a conventional boat; the cabin is in the way. You can get an approximation but not an exact measurement. I suppose you can using trig and math too advanced for my simple brain. My 1979 boat has the bow fitting for the forestay all the way forward. I know that some later models have the fitting mounted quite a bit further aft. Could that be the reason for the different published measurements?
Tim, I would love to see the dimensions of your reacher and 150 if you don't mind posting them.
Henry
On Friday, May 27, 2016, Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> wrote:
Sailrite has some of the original handwritten sail sizes and dimensions:
http://fabric-calculator.sailrite.com/ShowAd.aspx?id=5832&SourceID=%200%20&BoatName=MONTGOMERY+17
Also I had a local friend who's a big boat engineer/sailboat cruiser and racer/local rep for Mack Sails come measure my flush deck 17 to get it right on the money for my odd duck of a 17. We climbed all around the boat for a while with a long tape measure. You probably have the same ability to find a maker there. There are a few articles in the depths of MSOG.org where Jerry M talks about his "suit" of sail for the M17 and the Sage 17, though that's a fractional rigged boat. He was a big fan of a super light BIG reacher as well as a 150. Both of which I have if there's any interest in dimensions (not too many flush decks though). Have fun! New sails from my late 70's M17: wow!
Tim
On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 1:40 AM, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Henry,
I have a rigging drawing dated '1973' that shows the 'J' dimension as 6'-7" - you are fine at that number - that is approx. .04" less than > 'J' - as my grandson likes to say (20 mo) "OOhh myy!
We can ask Jerry if the 7.16' is for the flush deck??
Have Fun Go sailing.
GO
In a message dated 5/26/2016 8:33:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, heinzir@gmail.com <javascript:;> writes:
I have seen two different figures published for the "J" measurement of the M17: 6.58 ft and 7.16 ft. I'm guessing that the longer one is for the original (and newest?) boats that have the forestay pinned at the tip of the bow and the shorter is for the newer style boats that have the forestay pinned back from the bow about 6".
I think I ordered sails using the shorter "J" measurement and shortchanged myself! My 150 is actually 137 and my 135 is closer to 125!
Henry
On Thursday, May 26, 2016, <swwheatley@comcast.net <javascript:;>> wrote:
Genoa size is luff perpendicular (LP) expressed a percentage of the J measurement. LP is the length of a line drawn from the clew to the forestay intersecting the forestay at a 90 degree angle. The J measurement is the length of a line from the forestay pin back to the mast intersecting the mast at a 90 degree angle. On an M17 it is an imaginary line because the mast doesn't actually extend down that far down. There is some conflicting info out there but I believe the J measurement on an M17 is approximately 6 1/2'. Maybe someone else can chime in with the exact number. Measure your LP and compare it to that to determine what you have. For example, an LP of 10' corresponds roughly to a 150 genoa.
If your genoa is an older hank-on, it is probably a 150. If it is on a roller-furler, it might be a little smaller. I run a 135, which is a popular size for a roller furling genoa.
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From: "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:41:37 PM Subject: M_Boats: Genoa size...
Hi all, was just pondering my tired sails. How does one know what > size Genoa is installed? Thanks!
Couple of updates...
Stoked for Mem Day...trailering to Pleasant Harbor Marina where we have a slot for a night, full amenities and a motor couple coming to join > the festivities. Should be good pirate fun.
Last week I took my friends son out. He's 18 and had never been in a sailboat, we spent a few hours tooling around the harbor, I worked > him hard on terminology, parking, stopping at random buoys, starting and stopping the motor, approaching objects slowly... boy was he surprised when I hopped off and told him to take a solo lap at the end of the day! Hahaha. Reminded me of flight instructor days. His dad told me afterward he couldn't stop talking about it. Now dad wants to go. Maybe got us two new sailors... do share your boats and teach some youngsters! What's a dock ding or two compared to passing the torch?? Hahaha. A bonus was that I got to see my boat cruising around. They are quite graceful and salty looking when off their trailer aren't they ? ;) Much sexier than the Harbor 20 that was buzzing around.
Found a slip for 110 a month 8 minutes from home...sooo tempted. Comments? Is the bottom going to hell in a hand basket?
Jazz
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http://richmond.craigslist.org/boa/5611166603.html East coast, Montgomery 12 for sale. No association with seller, just saw this while browsing. John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
Henry, if you want to know what the J dimension is on your boat, just measure it! I'd be willing to bet you a beer that it's within an inch or two of 6'7" , based on my experience with measurements taken from a bunch of M17's. I have a copy of Jerry's original sailplan drawings, probably the same ones that Gary has. A couple of years ago, Jerry made copies and sent them to a folks who needed them in order to support the Montgomery owners community . As a sailmaker, I was lucky enough to be one of the recipients. The plans indicate that the J dimension is 6'7". All good sailmakers build sails to the actual measurements of the rig. My customers have confirmed the "J" dimension several times, +or - an inch. So I'm placing my bet on 6' 7" = 6.58' . The other number is probably just plain erroneous. For hank on headsails, the most popular headsails are the 109% and 150%, but a 130 or 35 works fine too. The toe rail tracks on the boats built by Jerry can accommodate any size you want, with whatever clew height your sailmaker recommends for your particular purposes (ie, windward-leeward racing vs cruising including reaching). The genoa tracks on the more recently built Bob E built boats are long enough to accommodate just about any size genoa as well. For cruising boats with roller furlers, 135-ish is the most versatile for most cruisers, because it still has a good shape when reefed to about a 110%. But if you typically sail in very light winds, then a 150% might be better. If you sail in heavier winds, maybe a 109% is the best. For super light winds, a Cruising Code Zero (on an itty bitty free-flying furler like the Ronstan Series 80) and tacked to the bow pulpit would be awesome. It's much bigger and more powerful than a 170 drifter - it's about twice as big as a 150% genoa! It will sail as high as 55 degrees true wind angle (30 degrees apparent), so you can go to weather with it. For sailing downind in light air, a Cruising Zero won't sail as deep as a Cruising Asymm, but you can still jibe your way downwind sailing as deep as maybe 135 or 140 degrees, depending on wind strength. It's so big and powerful that you can get the boat going 2.5 kts at a true wind angle of 135%, in 3 knots of wind. A drifter can't do that. You can play around with apparent wind angles and boat speeds at http://www.hydesailsdirect.com/Articles.asp?ID=278 . The take home message is this: If the boats is fast enough, the apparent wind angle is going to be a beat, even if the true wind is aft of your beam. Judy Bwww.hydesailsdirect.com From: GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:40 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Genoa size... Henry, I have a rigging drawing dated '1973' that shows the 'J' dimension as 6'-7" - you are fine at that number - that is approx. .04" less than 'J' - as my grandson likes to say (20 mo) "OOhh myy! We can ask Jerry if the 7.16' is for the flush deck?? Have Fun Go sailing. GO In a message dated 5/26/2016 8:33:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, heinzir@gmail.com writes: I have seen two different figures published for the "J" measurement of the M17: 6.58 ft and 7.16 ft. I'm guessing that the longer one is for the original (and newest?) boats that have the forestay pinned at the tip of the bow and the shorter is for the newer style boats that have the forestay pinned back from the bow about 6". I think I ordered sails using the shorter "J" measurement and shortchanged myself! My 150 is actually 137 and my 135 is closer to 125! Henry On Thursday, May 26, 2016, <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
Genoa size is luff perpendicular (LP) expressed a percentage of the J measurement. LP is the length of a line drawn from the clew to the forestay intersecting the forestay at a 90 degree angle. The J measurement is the length of a line from the forestay pin back to the mast intersecting the mast at a 90 degree angle. On an M17 it is an imaginary line because the mast doesn't actually extend down that far down. There is some conflicting info out there but I believe the J measurement on an M17 is approximately 6 1/2'. Maybe someone else can chime in with the exact number. Measure your LP and compare it to that to determine what you have. For example, an LP of 10' corresponds roughly to a 150 genoa.
If your genoa is an older hank-on, it is probably a 150. If it is on a roller-furler, it might be a little smaller. I run a 135, which is a popular size for a roller furling genoa.
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From: "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:41:37 PM Subject: M_Boats: Genoa size...
Hi all, was just pondering my tired sails. How does one know what size Genoa is installed? Thanks!
Couple of updates...
Stoked for Mem Day...trailering to Pleasant Harbor Marina where we have a slot for a night, full amenities and a motor couple coming to join the festivities. Should be good pirate fun.
Last week I took my friends son out. He's 18 and had never been in a sailboat, we spent a few hours tooling around the harbor, I worked him hard on terminology, parking, stopping at random buoys, starting and stopping the motor, approaching objects slowly... boy was he surprised when I hopped off and told him to take a solo lap at the end of the day! Hahaha. Reminded me of flight instructor days. His dad told me afterward he couldn't stop talking about it. Now dad wants to go. Maybe got us two new sailors... do share your boats and teach some youngsters! What's a dock ding or two compared to passing the torch?? Hahaha. A bonus was that I got to see my boat cruising around. They are quite graceful and salty looking when off their trailer aren't they ? ;) Much sexier than the Harbor 20 that was buzzing around.
Found a slip for 110 a month 8 minutes from home...sooo tempted. Comments? Is the bottom going to hell in a hand basket?
Jazz
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Good info Judy...! Thanks Bob Montgomery Boats 949-489-8227 Sent from my iPad
On May 28, 2016, at 1:09 AM, Judith Blumhorst, DC <drjudyb@blumhorst.com> wrote:
Henry, if you want to know what the J dimension is on your boat, just measure it! I'd be willing to bet you a beer that it's within an inch or two of 6'7" , based on my experience with measurements taken from a bunch of M17's. I have a copy of Jerry's original sailplan drawings, probably the same ones that Gary has. A couple of years ago, Jerry made copies and sent them to a folks who needed them in order to support the Montgomery owners community . As a sailmaker, I was lucky enough to be one of the recipients. The plans indicate that the J dimension is 6'7". All good sailmakers build sails to the actual measurements of the rig. My customers have confirmed the "J" dimension several times, +or - an inch. So I'm placing my bet on 6' 7" = 6.58' . The other number is probably just plain erroneous. For hank on headsails, the most popular headsails are the 109% and 150%, but a 130 or 35 works fine too. The toe rail tracks on the boats built by Jerry can accommodate any size you want, with whatever clew height your sailmaker recommends for your particular purposes (ie, windward-leeward racing vs cruising including reaching). The genoa tracks on the more recently built Bob E built boats are long enough to accommodate just about any size genoa as well. For cruising boats with roller furlers, 135-ish is the most versatile for most cruisers, because it still has a good shape when reefed to about a 110%. But if you typically sail in very light winds, then a 150% might be better. If you sail in heavier winds, maybe a 109% is the best. For super light winds, a Cruising Code Zero (on an itty bitty free-flying furler like the Ronstan Series 80) and tacked to the bow pulpit would be awesome. It's much bigger and more powerful than a 170 drifter - it's about twice as big as a 150% genoa! It will sail as high as 55 degrees true wind angle (30 degrees apparent), so you can go to weather with it. For sailing downind in light air, a Cruising Zero won't sail as deep as a Cruising Asymm, but you can still jibe your way downwind sailing as deep as maybe 135 or 140 degrees, depending on wind strength. It's so big and powerful that you can get the boat going 2.5 kts at a true wind angle of 135%, in 3 knots of wind. A drifter can't do that. You can play around with apparent wind angles and boat speeds at http://www.hydesailsdirect.com/Articles.asp?ID=278 . The take home message is this: If the boats is fast enough, the apparent wind angle is going to be a beat, even if the true wind is aft of your beam.
Judy Bwww.hydesailsdirect.com
From: GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:40 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Genoa size...
Henry,
I have a rigging drawing dated '1973' that shows the 'J' dimension as 6'-7" - you are fine at that number - that is approx. .04" less than 'J' - as my grandson likes to say (20 mo) "OOhh myy!
We can ask Jerry if the 7.16' is for the flush deck??
Have Fun Go sailing.
GO
In a message dated 5/26/2016 8:33:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, heinzir@gmail.com writes:
I have seen two different figures published for the "J" measurement of the M17: 6.58 ft and 7.16 ft. I'm guessing that the longer one is for the original (and newest?) boats that have the forestay pinned at the tip of the bow and the shorter is for the newer style boats that have the forestay pinned back from the bow about 6".
I think I ordered sails using the shorter "J" measurement and shortchanged myself! My 150 is actually 137 and my 135 is closer to 125!
Henry
On Thursday, May 26, 2016, <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
Genoa size is luff perpendicular (LP) expressed a percentage of the J measurement. LP is the length of a line drawn from the clew to the forestay intersecting the forestay at a 90 degree angle. The J measurement is the length of a line from the forestay pin back to the mast intersecting the mast at a 90 degree angle. On an M17 it is an imaginary line because the mast doesn't actually extend down that far down. There is some conflicting info out there but I believe the J measurement on an M17 is approximately 6 1/2'. Maybe someone else can chime in with the exact number. Measure your LP and compare it to that to determine what you have. For example, an LP of 10' corresponds roughly to a 150 genoa.
If your genoa is an older hank-on, it is probably a 150. If it is on a roller-furler, it might be a little smaller. I run a 135, which is a popular size for a roller furling genoa.
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From: "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com <javascript:;>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:41:37 PM Subject: M_Boats: Genoa size...
Hi all, was just pondering my tired sails. How does one know what size Genoa is installed? Thanks!
Couple of updates...
Stoked for Mem Day...trailering to Pleasant Harbor Marina where we have a slot for a night, full amenities and a motor couple coming to join the festivities. Should be good pirate fun.
Last week I took my friends son out. He's 18 and had never been in a sailboat, we spent a few hours tooling around the harbor, I worked him hard on terminology, parking, stopping at random buoys, starting and stopping the motor, approaching objects slowly... boy was he surprised when I hopped off and told him to take a solo lap at the end of the day! Hahaha. Reminded me of flight instructor days. His dad told me afterward he couldn't stop talking about it. Now dad wants to go. Maybe got us two new sailors... do share your boats and teach some youngsters! What's a dock ding or two compared to passing the torch?? Hahaha. A bonus was that I got to see my boat cruising around. They are quite graceful and salty looking when off their trailer aren't they ? ;) Much sexier than the Harbor 20 that was buzzing around.
Found a slip for 110 a month 8 minutes from home...sooo tempted. Comments? Is the bottom going to hell in a hand basket?
Jazz
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