Hi Listers, Tod wrote: I've been aboard a 17 with lifelines and I personally consider them a serious safety *hazard* rather than a help on a 17 because they make it quite tricky to go forward without getting tangled in them, thanks to the narrow side decks. If I had a 17 with them, they would quickly come off. My 2 cents. I could not agree more. My M17 came with lifelines and after one season I removed them. Another issue: It's possible during some "anxious" moments in docking or boarding a lot of force will be put on a stanchion and flex the deck. My M17 deck was cracked in that location. For what it's worth. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Doctorate Degrees Online Boost your career with an online doctoral degree. Enroll today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=s8T1ZdfqDwyWItopwWqiBAAAJ1ApMe...