I'd like to poll the group on experience with the Unifoil hydraulic kickup rudder. I'm using an Idasailor kickup without the strut, and it's a bear to get back down after it partially retracts from hitting bottom, which is quite a problem when the wind's blowing. Does the Unifoil reset itself after hitting an obstacle? Or do you still have to haul it back down with the control line, like I do now? It's a big investment to make, and I'd like to be sure it's going to be an improvement over what I have now. Thanks for any information anyone can give, Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
I too had that problem of the original rudder on my M-15 kicking up, then being awkward to get back down when I needed it to be down, so I simply removed the spring line on the rudder, inserted a pin, and now it stays down. I do have to be careful about shallow water, and submerged logs and rocks, but I need to watch for those things anyway. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Davies" <jdavies104@gmail.com> To: "M BoatsForum" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:08 AM Subject: M_Boats: Kickup rudder
I'd like to poll the group on experience with the Unifoil hydraulic kickup rudder. I'm using an Idasailor kickup without the strut, and it's a bear to get back down after it partially retracts from hitting bottom, which is quite a problem when the wind's blowing. Does the Unifoil reset itself after hitting an obstacle? Or do you still have to haul it back down with the control line, like I do now? It's a big investment to make, and I'd like to be sure it's going to be an improvement over what I have now.
Thanks for any information anyone can give,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
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Hi Rick, I bought an Idasailor rudder back in 2007, and it drops down immediately after hitting an obstruction (which admittedly has happened only rarely. If I raise the blade slightly above horizontal for some reason (e.g., to remove grass), I have to raise it a few inches with the rope and turn it loose to let gravity drop it to vertical position. I have not experimented, but I am guessing that the blade would drop to vertical when the tip is at or below the level where the keel would ground, and probably a great deal higher. I have hydraulic rams on my unit. Maybe your rudder is older than mine, but your boat is newer. Sorry I don't know anything about Unifoil products. Tom M17 #626 Scintilla On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:08 AM, Rick Davies wrote:
I'd like to poll the group on experience with the Unifoil hydraulic kickup rudder. I'm using an Idasailor kickup without the strut, and it's a bear to get back down after it partially retracts from hitting bottom, which is quite a problem when the wind's blowing. Does the Unifoil reset itself after hitting an obstacle? Or do you still have to haul it back down with the control line, like I do now? It's a big investment to make, and I'd like to be sure it's going to be an improvement over what I have now.
Thanks for any information anyone can give,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
Tom, I understand that Idasailor is now Rudder Craft, and the unifoil they sell is the same as the Idasailor kickup. My rudder is an Idasailor from 2005, bought by the original owner. Maybe that was before they put the gas strut on. It sounds as if the new one is what I need. I sail on the Potomac near DC, where there's a lot of thin water, and wrestling the rudder back down manually when you're sailing alone in a breeze isn't a lot of fun. It also loses you a lot of distance real fast in a race. Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Hi Rick, I bought an Idasailor rudder back in 2007, and it drops down immediately after hitting an obstruction (which admittedly has happened only rarely. If I raise the blade slightly above horizontal for some reason (e.g., to remove grass), I have to raise it a few inches with the rope and turn it loose to let gravity drop it to vertical position. I have not experimented, but I am guessing that the blade would drop to vertical when the tip is at or below the level where the keel would ground, and probably a great deal higher. I have hydraulic rams on my unit. Maybe your rudder is older than mine, but your boat is newer.
Sorry I don't know anything about Unifoil products.
Tom M17 #626 Scintilla
On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:08 AM, Rick Davies wrote:
I'd like to poll the group on experience with the Unifoil hydraulic kickup rudder. I'm using an Idasailor kickup without the strut, and it's a bear to get back down after it partially retracts from hitting bottom, which is quite a problem when the wind's blowing. Does the Unifoil reset itself after hitting an obstacle? Or do you still have to haul it back down with the control line, like I do now? It's a big investment to make, and I'd like to be sure it's going to be an improvement over what I have now.
Thanks for any information anyone can give,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
Hi Rick, Sailboat racing on the Potomac. Almost sounds patriotic. Thanks for the info. I will key on that gas strut detail when I get into the market for a kickup. Tom B On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom,
I understand that Idasailor is now Rudder Craft, and the unifoil they sell is the same as the Idasailor kickup. My rudder is an Idasailor from 2005, bought by the original owner. Maybe that was before they put the gas strut on. It sounds as if the new one is what I need. I sail on the Potomac near DC, where there's a lot of thin water, and wrestling the rudder back down manually when you're sailing alone in a breeze isn't a lot of fun. It also loses you a lot of distance real fast in a race.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Hi Rick, I bought an Idasailor rudder back in 2007, and it drops down immediately after hitting an obstruction (which admittedly has happened only rarely. If I raise the blade slightly above horizontal for some reason (e.g., to remove grass), I have to raise it a few inches with the rope and turn it loose to let gravity drop it to vertical position. I have not experimented, but I am guessing that the blade would drop to vertical when the tip is at or below the level where the keel would ground, and probably a great deal higher. I have hydraulic rams on my unit. Maybe your rudder is older than mine, but your boat is newer.
Sorry I don't know anything about Unifoil products.
Tom M17 #626 Scintilla
On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:08 AM, Rick Davies wrote:
I'd like to poll the group on experience with the Unifoil hydraulic kickup rudder. I'm using an Idasailor kickup without the strut, and it's a bear to get back down after it partially retracts from hitting bottom, which is quite a problem when the wind's blowing. Does the Unifoil reset itself after hitting an obstacle? Or do you still have to haul it back down with the control line, like I do now? It's a big investment to make, and I'd like to be sure it's going to be an improvement over what I have now.
Thanks for any information anyone can give,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
I'd put the gas cylinder ( strut) back on the IdaSailor. Mine works great. ~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-) On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:08 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd like to poll the group on experience with the Unifoil hydraulic kickup rudder. I'm using an Idasailor kickup without the strut, and it's a bear to get back down after it partially retracts from hitting bottom, which is quite a problem when the wind's blowing. Does the Unifoil reset itself after hitting an obstacle? Or do you still have to haul it back down with the control line, like I do now? It's a big investment to make, and I'd like to be sure it's going to be an improvement over what I have now.
Thanks for any information anyone can give,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
Gary, You must be trying to sail up the river from Harrison, or you're going to the south end of the lake, past the new bridge if you need the kickup rudder on your M-Boat. Or are you concerned about the deadhead logs that float around the lake? Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "GARY M HYDE" <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:31 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Kickup rudder
I'd put the gas cylinder ( strut) back on the IdaSailor. Mine works great.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:08 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd like to poll the group on experience with the Unifoil hydraulic kickup rudder. I'm using an Idasailor kickup without the strut, and it's a bear to get back down after it partially retracts from hitting bottom, which is quite a problem when the wind's blowing. Does the Unifoil reset itself after hitting an obstacle? Or do you still have to haul it back down with the control line, like I do now? It's a big investment to make, and I'd like to be sure it's going to be an improvement over what I have now.
Thanks for any information anyone can give,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
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