So far most of the discussion has been on "where". For those who have to schedule vacation time at work, maybe "when" is the more urgent issue, and "where" can be decided later. If we are considering two rallys (inland and coastal), it would be nice if we could spread them out such as early summer / late summer so it might be possible for some (me? ;-) to go to both. Mark and Lloyd, you guys both mentioned plans to do the San Juans this year. Any idea when yet? Larry Y.