Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed, I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. Thanks, Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes' (one of a few that has had the traveler removed!) -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 Ed. The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). A M15 owner can share the length. The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - she looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been able to fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct rigging for the traveler?
Thanks,
Ed
Well I will have to next spring ,for I have it covered for the winter Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:52 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 Ed, I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. Thanks, Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes' (one of a few that has had the traveler removed!) -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 Ed. The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). A M15 owner can share the length. The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - she looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been able to fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct rigging for the traveler?
Thanks,
Ed
Gary - Yep ... I don't know why I was thinking M15. ??? Ed - Jerry did many different setups over the years. Usually the difference being the traveler,.in the cockpit floor, is further aft from the companionway as boat production progressed (a 70s boat traveler at the companionway and by the 90s the middle of the cockpit). The usual is a t-track with a car to which the mainsheet hardware connects. The make/model changes in addition to how the car is adjusted on the track. This ignores the fact that owner(s) prior to you may have changed the setup. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 2:18 PM edwin jenkins <ejenkins1953@gmail.com wrote:
Well I will have to next spring ,for I have it covered for the winter
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From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:52 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed, I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. Thanks, Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes' (one of a few that has had the traveler removed!)
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed.
The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). A M15 owner can share the length.
The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - she looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been able to fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct rigging for the traveler?
Thanks,
Ed
I have some pics of someone's 1981 M17 where it's mid-cockpit (e.g. sheet just clears front of tiller). Setup as Dave described, track with car that can be moved to various stop positions between the two ends of the track. So I think that would be your expected location, unless some prior owner moved it or rigged it some other way. cheers, John On 11/07/2018 03:50 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Gary - Yep ... I don't know why I was thinking M15. ???
Ed - Jerry did many different setups over the years. Usually the difference being the traveler,.in the cockpit floor, is further aft from the companionway as boat production progressed (a 70s boat traveler at the companionway and by the 90s the middle of the cockpit).
The usual is a t-track with a car to which the mainsheet hardware connects. The make/model changes in addition to how the car is adjusted on the track.
This ignores the fact that owner(s) prior to you may have changed the setup.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 2:18 PM edwin jenkins <ejenkins1953@gmail.com wrote:
Well I will have to next spring ,for I have it covered for the winter
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From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:52 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed, I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. Thanks, Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes' (one of a few that has had the traveler removed!)
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed.
The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). A M15 owner can share the length.
The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - she looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been able to fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct rigging for the traveler?
Thanks,
Ed
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Thanks all. I’ll take a photo this weekend and post to the email list. As John wrote, it’s mid-cockpit with a sliding car. Stand by until the work week is over. I live in Houston, TX, so the sailing season down here is just getting started. Still have a few weeks of hurricane season left, then we can enjoy the cooler weather until next May or so. Ed
On Nov 7, 2018, at 5:57 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I have some pics of someone's 1981 M17 where it's mid-cockpit (e.g. sheet just clears front of tiller). Setup as Dave described, track with car that can be moved to various stop positions between the two ends of the track. So I think that would be your expected location, unless some prior owner moved it or rigged it some other way.
cheers, John
On 11/07/2018 03:50 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Gary - Yep ... I don't know why I was thinking M15. ??? Ed - Jerry did many different setups over the years. Usually the difference being the traveler,.in the cockpit floor, is further aft from the companionway as boat production progressed (a 70s boat traveler at the companionway and by the 90s the middle of the cockpit). The usual is a t-track with a car to which the mainsheet hardware connects. The make/model changes in addition to how the car is adjusted on the track. This ignores the fact that owner(s) prior to you may have changed the setup. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 2:18 PM edwin jenkins <ejenkins1953@gmail.com wrote:
Well I will have to next spring ,for I have it covered for the winter
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From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:52 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed, I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. Thanks, Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes' (one of a few that has had the traveler removed!)
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed.
The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). A M15 owner can share the length.
The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - she looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been able to fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct rigging for the traveler?
Thanks,
Ed
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Here is the photo of the traveler, with my attempt to rig it. A description or photo of the correct rigging would be greatly appreciated. Ed
On Nov 7, 2018, at 5:57 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I have some pics of someone's 1981 M17 where it's mid-cockpit (e.g. sheet just clears front of tiller). Setup as Dave described, track with car that can be moved to various stop positions between the two ends of the track. So I think that would be your expected location, unless some prior owner moved it or rigged it some other way.
cheers, John
On 11/07/2018 03:50 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Gary - Yep ... I don't know why I was thinking M15. ??? Ed - Jerry did many different setups over the years. Usually the difference being the traveler,.in the cockpit floor, is further aft from the companionway as boat production progressed (a 70s boat traveler at the companionway and by the 90s the middle of the cockpit). The usual is a t-track with a car to which the mainsheet hardware connects. The make/model changes in addition to how the car is adjusted on the track. This ignores the fact that owner(s) prior to you may have changed the setup. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 2:18 PM edwin jenkins <ejenkins1953@gmail.com wrote:
Well I will have to next spring ,for I have it covered for the winter
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:52 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed, I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. Thanks, Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes' (one of a few that has had the traveler removed!)
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed.
The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). A M15 owner can share the length.
The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - she looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been able to fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct rigging for the traveler?
Thanks,
Ed
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Here is a photo, though for a slightly different setup. But it shows how each line goes just from its own side to the traveler car and back. I have a pad eye and a fixed block on my cockpit side. Looks like you have a single block with becket on each side. So the idea is the same - each line goes from its own side out to the car and back - but the details are a bit different, in your case: Take one of the two lines (you should have two lines - one for each side of the traveler car). Tie one end to the becket of the block on one side. Run it out to the traveler car, and around the sheave (pulley) on that side of the car. Run it back through the block with becket from underneath, and up to the camcleat. Do the same exact thing on the other side. The difference in my picture vs. your rig is that in mine, the bitter end goes to pad eye instead of becket. And then to a separate fixed block. And the camcleat is on the traveler car instead of the cockpit side. HTH, John On 11/11/2018 07:27 PM, Edward Cazier wrote:
Here is the photo of the traveler, with my attempt to rig it. A description or photo of the correct rigging would be greatly appreciated.
Ed
On Nov 7, 2018, at 5:57 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I have some pics of someone's 1981 M17 where it's mid-cockpit (e.g. sheet just clears front of tiller). Setup as Dave described, track with car that can be moved to various stop positions between the two ends of the track. So I think that would be your expected location, unless some prior owner moved it or rigged it some other way.
cheers, John
On 11/07/2018 03:50 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Gary - Yep ... I don't know why I was thinking M15. ??? Ed - Jerry did many different setups over the years. Usually the difference being the traveler,.in the cockpit floor, is further aft from the companionway as boat production progressed (a 70s boat traveler at the companionway and by the 90s the middle of the cockpit). The usual is a t-track with a car to which the mainsheet hardware connects. The make/model changes in addition to how the car is adjusted on the track. This ignores the fact that owner(s) prior to you may have changed the setup. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 2:18 PM edwin jenkins <ejenkins1953@gmail.com wrote:
Well I will have to next spring ,for I have it covered for the winter
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From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:52 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed, I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. Thanks, Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes' (one of a few that has had the traveler removed!)
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed.
The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). A M15 owner can share the length.
The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - she looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been able to fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct rigging for the traveler?
Thanks,
Ed
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Ed: Nope, that ain't right. Attach the line to the becket one of the blocks attached to the cockpit footwell wall. Run the line inboard through the traveler car block facing the becket. Run the line back to the block and up through the cam-cleat fairlead and then over to the opposite cam-cleat down to the block on the facing cockpit wall. Line now goes back to the traveler to the car block and the back to the becket. Another way to state: tie line to becket on footwell wall run through traveler block run back and through block on footwell wall up to camcleat loop over to opposite wall camcleat down through footwell block in board through traveler block and back becket and tied. Hope one of the above descriptions helps! Your set up is the same as on SWEET PEA'S ... I don't have a picture. Currently I'm 100+ miles from her so can't take a picture. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 7:28 PM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Here is the photo of the traveler, with my attempt to rig it. A description or photo of the correct rigging would be greatly appreciated.
Ed
On Nov 7, 2018, at 5:57 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I have some pics of someone's 1981 M17 where it's mid-cockpit (e.g. sheet just clears front of tiller). Setup as Dave described, track with car that can be moved to various stop positions between the two ends of the track. So I think that would be your expected location, unless some prior owner moved it or rigged it some other way.
cheers, John
On 11/07/2018 03:50 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Gary - Yep ... I don't know why I was thinking M15. ??? Ed - Jerry did many different setups over the years. Usually the difference being the traveler,.in the cockpit floor, is further aft from the companionway as boat production progressed (a 70s boat traveler at the companionway and by the 90s the middle of the cockpit). The usual is a t-track with a car to which the mainsheet hardware connects. The make/model changes in addition to how the car is adjusted on the track. This ignores the fact that owner(s) prior to you may have changed the setup. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 2:18 PM edwin jenkins <ejenkins1953@gmail.com wrote:
Well I will have to next spring ,for I have it covered for the winter
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From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:52 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed, I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. Thanks, Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes' (one of a few that has had the traveler removed!)
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed.
The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). A M15 owner can share the length.
The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - she looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been able to fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct rigging for the traveler?
Thanks,
Ed
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
To clarify between mine & Dave's answer - his gives you a single line that runs through the whole setup. The loop of that line between the two camcleats, across the width of the cockpit from seat level, I would find to be totally in the way, and a tripping and entanglement hazard, for a mid-cockpit traveler. Even with a lot of slack you have a loop hanging across the cockpit, fast at both ends. For a transom mounted traveler, not such a problem. You can have one line each side without creating that hazard. Equivalent to running it as Dave describes and then cutting it in the middle. YMMV, just my thoughts...you have to work (pull in or out of camcleat) each side separately to adjust yours, so the loop between the camcleats is not a benefit AFAICT. cheers, John On 11/11/2018 08:20 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Ed:
Nope, that ain't right.
Attach the line to the becket one of the blocks attached to the cockpit footwell wall. Run the line inboard through the traveler car block facing the becket. Run the line back to the block and up through the cam-cleat fairlead and then over to the opposite cam-cleat down to the block on the facing cockpit wall. Line now goes back to the traveler to the car block and the back to the becket.
Another way to state: tie line to becket on footwell wall run through traveler block run back and through block on footwell wall up to camcleat loop over to opposite wall camcleat down through footwell block in board through traveler block and back becket and tied.
Hope one of the above descriptions helps!
Your set up is the same as on SWEET PEA'S ... I don't have a picture. Currently I'm 100+ miles from her so can't take a picture.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 7:28 PM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Here is the photo of the traveler, with my attempt to rig it. A description or photo of the correct rigging would be greatly appreciated.
Ed
On Nov 7, 2018, at 5:57 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I have some pics of someone's 1981 M17 where it's mid-cockpit (e.g. sheet just clears front of tiller). Setup as Dave described, track with car that can be moved to various stop positions between the two ends of the track. So I think that would be your expected location, unless some prior owner moved it or rigged it some other way.
cheers, John
On 11/07/2018 03:50 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Gary - Yep ... I don't know why I was thinking M15. ??? Ed - Jerry did many different setups over the years. Usually the difference being the traveler,.in the cockpit floor, is further aft from the companionway as boat production progressed (a 70s boat traveler at the companionway and by the 90s the middle of the cockpit). The usual is a t-track with a car to which the mainsheet hardware connects. The make/model changes in addition to how the car is adjusted on the track. This ignores the fact that owner(s) prior to you may have changed the setup. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 2:18 PM edwin jenkins <ejenkins1953@gmail.com wrote:
Well I will have to next spring ,for I have it covered for the winter
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From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:52 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed, I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. Thanks, Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes' (one of a few that has had the traveler removed!)
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed.
The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). A M15 owner can share the length.
The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - she looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been able to fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct rigging for the traveler?
Thanks,
Ed
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I've never once tripped over the traveler line. Make it long enough it will lay on the cockpit floor even when 'engaged'. I lay the control line forward of the traveler and the mainsheet aft. Never a tangle. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 8:58 PM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net wrote:
To clarify between mine & Dave's answer - his gives you a single line that runs through the whole setup.
The loop of that line between the two camcleats, across the width of the cockpit from seat level, I would find to be totally in the way, and a tripping and entanglement hazard, for a mid-cockpit traveler. Even with a lot of slack you have a loop hanging across the cockpit, fast at both ends.
For a transom mounted traveler, not such a problem.
You can have one line each side without creating that hazard. Equivalent to running it as Dave describes and then cutting it in the middle.
YMMV, just my thoughts...you have to work (pull in or out of camcleat) each side separately to adjust yours, so the loop between the camcleats is not a benefit AFAICT.
cheers, John
On 11/11/2018 08:20 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Ed:
Nope, that ain't right.
Attach the line to the becket one of the blocks attached to the cockpit footwell wall. Run the line inboard through the traveler car block facing the becket. Run the line back to the block and up through the cam-cleat fairlead and then over to the opposite cam-cleat down to the block on the facing cockpit wall. Line now goes back to the traveler to the car block and the back to the becket.
Another way to state: tie line to becket on footwell wall run through traveler block run back and through block on footwell wall up to camcleat loop over to opposite wall camcleat down through footwell block in board through traveler block and back becket and tied.
Hope one of the above descriptions helps!
Your set up is the same as on SWEET PEA'S ... I don't have a picture. Currently I'm 100+ miles from her so can't take a picture.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 7:28 PM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Here is the photo of the traveler, with my attempt to rig it. A description or photo of the correct rigging would be greatly appreciated.
Ed
On Nov 7, 2018, at 5:57 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I have some pics of someone's 1981 M17 where it's mid-cockpit (e.g. sheet just clears front of tiller). Setup as Dave described, track with car that can be moved to various stop positions between the two ends of the track. So I think that would be your expected location, unless some prior owner moved it or rigged it some other way.
cheers, John
On 11/07/2018 03:50 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Gary - Yep ... I don't know why I was thinking M15. ??? Ed - Jerry did many different setups over the years. Usually the difference being the traveler,.in the cockpit floor, is further aft from the companionway as boat production progressed (a 70s boat traveler at the companionway and by the 90s the middle of the cockpit). The usual is a t-track with a car to which the mainsheet hardware connects. The make/model changes in addition to how the car is adjusted on the track. This ignores the fact that owner(s) prior to you may have changed the setup. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 2:18 PM edwin jenkins <ejenkins1953@gmail.com wrote:
Well I will have to next spring ,for I have it covered for the winter
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From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:52 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed, I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. Thanks, Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes' (one of a few that has had the traveler removed!)
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed.
The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). A M15 owner can share the length.
The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
> Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that > has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - she > looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned > several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been able to > fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo > / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct > rigging for the traveler? > > Thanks, > > Ed >
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John, re. your comment - YMMV, just my thoughts...you have to work (pull in or out of camcleat) each side separately to adjust yours, so the loop between the camcleats is not a benefit AFAICT. The 'loop' or continuous line between the two cam cleats allows the helmsperson to release the 'old' upwind side of the traveler after having tacked the boat with out having to reach down to the 'old' weather side cleat. There is a benefit with the continuous line. The Harken self-tacking car is WAY to large for this or the 17 application in my opinion (trav. on the floor) you lose movement of the car on the short bit of track the floor mounted travelers have with the wide self -tacking car. Hey - it's sailing and nobody is scoring - just find the BEST way for yourself!! Heck-I removed mine COMPLETELY and I race more than I cruise (maybe changing here any day...) Have Fun go sailing! GO -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2018 9:58 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 To clarify between mine & Dave's answer - his gives you a single line that runs through the whole setup. The loop of that line between the two camcleats, across the width of the cockpit from seat level, I would find to be totally in the way, and a tripping and entanglement hazard, for a mid-cockpit traveler. Even with a lot of slack you have a loop hanging across the cockpit, fast at both ends. For a transom mounted traveler, not such a problem. You can have one line each side without creating that hazard. Equivalent to running it as Dave describes and then cutting it in the middle. YMMV, just my thoughts...you have to work (pull in or out of camcleat) each side separately to adjust yours, so the loop between the camcleats is not a benefit AFAICT. cheers, John On 11/11/2018 08:20 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Ed:
Nope, that ain't right.
Attach the line to the becket one of the blocks attached to the cockpit footwell wall. Run the line inboard through the traveler car block facing the becket. Run the line back to the block and up through the cam-cleat fairlead and then over to the opposite cam-cleat down to the block on the facing cockpit wall. Line now goes back to the traveler to the car block and the back to the becket.
Another way to state: tie line to becket on footwell wall run through traveler block run back and through block on footwell wall up to camcleat loop over to opposite wall camcleat down through footwell block in board through traveler block and back becket and tied.
Hope one of the above descriptions helps!
Your set up is the same as on SWEET PEA'S ... I don't have a picture. Currently I'm 100+ miles from her so can't take a picture.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 7:28 PM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Here is the photo of the traveler, with my attempt to rig it. A description or photo of the correct rigging would be greatly appreciated.
Ed
On Nov 7, 2018, at 5:57 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I have some pics of someone's 1981 M17 where it's mid-cockpit (e.g. sheet just clears front of tiller). Setup as Dave described, track with car that can be moved to various stop positions between the two ends of the track. So I think that would be your expected location, unless some prior owner moved it or rigged it some other way.
cheers, John
On 11/07/2018 03:50 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Gary - Yep ... I don't know why I was thinking M15. ??? Ed - Jerry did many different setups over the years. Usually the difference being the traveler,.in the cockpit floor, is further aft from the companionway as boat production progressed (a 70s boat traveler at the companionway and by the 90s the middle of the cockpit). The usual is a t-track with a car to which the mainsheet hardware connects. The make/model changes in addition to how the car is adjusted on the track. This ignores the fact that owner(s) prior to you may have changed the setup. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 2:18 PM edwin jenkins <ejenkins1953@gmail.com wrote:
Well I will have to next spring ,for I have it covered for the winter
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:52 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed, I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. Thanks, Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes' (one of a few that has had the traveler removed!)
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed.
The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). A M15 owner can share the length.
The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - she looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been able to fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct rigging for the traveler?
Thanks,
Ed
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Gary has a neat mainsheet arrangement that I'm thinking about copying- maybe he'll share it with us. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 12:12 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 John, re. your comment - YMMV, just my thoughts...you have to work (pull in or out of camcleat) each side separately to adjust yours, so the loop between the camcleats is not a benefit AFAICT. The 'loop' or continuous line between the two cam cleats allows the helmsperson to release the 'old' upwind side of the traveler after having tacked the boat with out having to reach down to the 'old' weather side cleat. There is a benefit with the continuous line. The Harken self-tacking car is WAY to large for this or the 17 application in my opinion (trav. on the floor) you lose movement of the car on the short bit of track the floor mounted travelers have with the wide self -tacking car. Hey - it's sailing and nobody is scoring - just find the BEST way for yourself!! Heck-I removed mine COMPLETELY and I race more than I cruise (maybe changing here any day...) Have Fun go sailing! GO -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2018 9:58 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 To clarify between mine & Dave's answer - his gives you a single line that runs through the whole setup. The loop of that line between the two camcleats, across the width of the cockpit from seat level, I would find to be totally in the way, and a tripping and entanglement hazard, for a mid-cockpit traveler. Even with a lot of slack you have a loop hanging across the cockpit, fast at both ends. For a transom mounted traveler, not such a problem. You can have one line each side without creating that hazard. Equivalent to running it as Dave describes and then cutting it in the middle. YMMV, just my thoughts...you have to work (pull in or out of camcleat) each side separately to adjust yours, so the loop between the camcleats is not a benefit AFAICT. cheers, John On 11/11/2018 08:20 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Ed:
Nope, that ain't right.
Attach the line to the becket one of the blocks attached to the cockpit footwell wall. Run the line inboard through the traveler car block facing the becket. Run the line back to the block and up through the cam-cleat fairlead and then over to the opposite cam-cleat down to the block on the facing cockpit wall. Line now goes back to the traveler to the car block and the back to the becket.
Another way to state: tie line to becket on footwell wall run through traveler block run back and through block on footwell wall up to camcleat loop over to opposite wall camcleat down through footwell block in board through traveler block and back becket and tied.
Hope one of the above descriptions helps!
Your set up is the same as on SWEET PEA'S ... I don't have a picture. Currently I'm 100+ miles from her so can't take a picture.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 7:28 PM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Here is the photo of the traveler, with my attempt to rig it. A description or photo of the correct rigging would be greatly appreciated.
Ed
On Nov 7, 2018, at 5:57 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I have some pics of someone's 1981 M17 where it's mid-cockpit (e.g. sheet just clears front of tiller). Setup as Dave described, track with car that can be moved to various stop positions between the two ends of the track. So I think that would be your expected location, unless some prior owner moved it or rigged it some other way.
cheers, John
On 11/07/2018 03:50 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Gary - Yep ... I don't know why I was thinking M15. ??? Ed - Jerry did many different setups over the years. Usually the difference being the traveler,.in the cockpit floor, is further aft from the companionway as boat production progressed (a 70s boat traveler at the companionway and by the 90s the middle of the cockpit). The usual is a t-track with a car to which the mainsheet hardware connects. The make/model changes in addition to how the car is adjusted on the track. This ignores the fact that owner(s) prior to you may have changed the setup. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 2:18 PM edwin jenkins <ejenkins1953@gmail.com wrote:
Well I will have to next spring ,for I have it covered for the winter
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:52 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed, I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. Thanks, Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes' (one of a few that has had the traveler removed!)
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed.
The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). A M15 owner can share the length.
The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - she looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been able to fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct rigging for the traveler?
Thanks,
Ed
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I think there's pics on the MSOGphoto site? One that I have attached...interesting indeed. cheers, John On 11/12/2018 02:14 PM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
Gary has a neat mainsheet arrangement that I'm thinking about copying- maybe he'll share it with us.
-----Original Message----- From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 12:12 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
John, re. your comment -
YMMV, just my thoughts...you have to work (pull in or out of camcleat) each side separately to adjust yours, so the loop between the camcleats is not a benefit AFAICT. The 'loop' or continuous line between the two cam cleats allows the helmsperson to release the 'old' upwind side of the traveler after having tacked the boat with out having to reach down to the 'old' weather side cleat. There is a benefit with the continuous line. The Harken self-tacking car is WAY to large for this or the 17 application in my opinion (trav. on the floor) you lose movement of the car on the short bit of track the floor mounted travelers have with the wide self -tacking car. Hey - it's sailing and nobody is scoring - just find the BEST way for yourself!! Heck-I removed mine COMPLETELY and I race more than I cruise (maybe changing here any day...) Have Fun go sailing! GO
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2018 9:58 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
To clarify between mine & Dave's answer - his gives you a single line that runs through the whole setup.
The loop of that line between the two camcleats, across the width of the cockpit from seat level, I would find to be totally in the way, and a tripping and entanglement hazard, for a mid-cockpit traveler. Even with a lot of slack you have a loop hanging across the cockpit, fast at both ends.
For a transom mounted traveler, not such a problem.
You can have one line each side without creating that hazard. Equivalent to running it as Dave describes and then cutting it in the middle.
YMMV, just my thoughts...you have to work (pull in or out of camcleat) each side separately to adjust yours, so the loop between the camcleats is not a benefit AFAICT.
cheers, John
On 11/11/2018 08:20 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Ed:
Nope, that ain't right.
Attach the line to the becket one of the blocks attached to the cockpit footwell wall. Run the line inboard through the traveler car block facing the becket. Run the line back to the block and up through the cam-cleat fairlead and then over to the opposite cam-cleat down to the block on the facing cockpit wall. Line now goes back to the traveler to the car block and the back to the becket.
Another way to state: tie line to becket on footwell wall run through traveler block run back and through block on footwell wall up to camcleat loop over to opposite wall camcleat down through footwell block in board through traveler block and back becket and tied.
Hope one of the above descriptions helps!
Your set up is the same as on SWEET PEA'S ... I don't have a picture. Currently I'm 100+ miles from her so can't take a picture.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 7:28 PM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Here is the photo of the traveler, with my attempt to rig it. A description or photo of the correct rigging would be greatly appreciated.
Ed
On Nov 7, 2018, at 5:57 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I have some pics of someone's 1981 M17 where it's mid-cockpit (e.g. sheet just clears front of tiller). Setup as Dave described, track with car that can be moved to various stop positions between the two ends of the track. So I think that would be your expected location, unless some prior owner moved it or rigged it some other way.
cheers, John
On 11/07/2018 03:50 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Gary - Yep ... I don't know why I was thinking M15. ??? Ed - Jerry did many different setups over the years. Usually the difference being the traveler,.in the cockpit floor, is further aft from the companionway as boat production progressed (a 70s boat traveler at the companionway and by the 90s the middle of the cockpit). The usual is a t-track with a car to which the mainsheet hardware connects. The make/model changes in addition to how the car is adjusted on the track. This ignores the fact that owner(s) prior to you may have changed the setup. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 2:18 PM edwin jenkins <ejenkins1953@gmail.com wrote:
Well I will have to next spring ,for I have it covered for the winter
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From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:52 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed, I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. Thanks, Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes' (one of a few that has had the traveler removed!)
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed.
The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). A M15 owner can share the length.
The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
> Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that > has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload > photos - she > looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned > several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been > able to > fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo > / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct > rigging for the traveler? > > Thanks, > > Ed >
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I tried Gary's split tail mainsheet (in fact the very one pictured) on my M15, but wasn't able to get it to point well. Because the M15 lacks a backstay, with the split tail you can only get luff tension on the headsail with the boom centered- any other position and the headstay goes slack. The factory rope traveler on the M15 lets you get a lot of "virtual backstay tension" at different sheeting angles, but doesn't let you get close enough to the centerline. I think this could be fixed easily by making the split tails adjustable and on a continous loop, so you mostly change the boom angle by feeding out one tail, and in the other. Another solution might be a really really strong boom vang. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 2:46:19 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 I think there's pics on the MSOGphoto site? One that I have attached...interesting indeed. cheers, John On 11/12/2018 02:14 PM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
Gary has a neat mainsheet arrangement that I'm thinking about copying- maybe he'll share it with us.
-----Original Message----- From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 12:12 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
John, re. your comment -
YMMV, just my thoughts...you have to work (pull in or out of camcleat) each side separately to adjust yours, so the loop between the camcleats is not a benefit AFAICT. The 'loop' or continuous line between the two cam cleats allows the helmsperson to release the 'old' upwind side of the traveler after having tacked the boat with out having to reach down to the 'old' weather side cleat. There is a benefit with the continuous line. The Harken self-tacking car is WAY to large for this or the 17 application in my opinion (trav. on the floor) you lose movement of the car on the short bit of track the floor mounted travelers have with the wide self -tacking car. Hey - it's sailing and nobody is scoring - just find the BEST way for yourself!! Heck-I removed mine COMPLETELY and I race more than I cruise (maybe changing here any day...) Have Fun go sailing! GO
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2018 9:58 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
To clarify between mine & Dave's answer - his gives you a single line that runs through the whole setup.
The loop of that line between the two camcleats, across the width of the cockpit from seat level, I would find to be totally in the way, and a tripping and entanglement hazard, for a mid-cockpit traveler. Even with a lot of slack you have a loop hanging across the cockpit, fast at both ends.
For a transom mounted traveler, not such a problem.
You can have one line each side without creating that hazard. Equivalent to running it as Dave describes and then cutting it in the middle.
YMMV, just my thoughts...you have to work (pull in or out of camcleat) each side separately to adjust yours, so the loop between the camcleats is not a benefit AFAICT.
cheers, John
On 11/11/2018 08:20 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Ed:
Nope, that ain't right.
Attach the line to the becket one of the blocks attached to the cockpit footwell wall. Run the line inboard through the traveler car block facing the becket. Run the line back to the block and up through the cam-cleat fairlead and then over to the opposite cam-cleat down to the block on the facing cockpit wall. Line now goes back to the traveler to the car block and the back to the becket.
Another way to state: tie line to becket on footwell wall run through traveler block run back and through block on footwell wall up to camcleat loop over to opposite wall camcleat down through footwell block in board through traveler block and back becket and tied.
Hope one of the above descriptions helps!
Your set up is the same as on SWEET PEA'S ... I don't have a picture. Currently I'm 100+ miles from her so can't take a picture.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 7:28 PM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Here is the photo of the traveler, with my attempt to rig it. A description or photo of the correct rigging would be greatly appreciated.
Ed
On Nov 7, 2018, at 5:57 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I have some pics of someone's 1981 M17 where it's mid-cockpit (e.g. sheet just clears front of tiller). Setup as Dave described, track with car that can be moved to various stop positions between the two ends of the track. So I think that would be your expected location, unless some prior owner moved it or rigged it some other way.
cheers, John
On 11/07/2018 03:50 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Gary - Yep ... I don't know why I was thinking M15. ??? Ed - Jerry did many different setups over the years. Usually the difference being the traveler,.in the cockpit floor, is further aft from the companionway as boat production progressed (a 70s boat traveler at the companionway and by the 90s the middle of the cockpit). The usual is a t-track with a car to which the mainsheet hardware connects. The make/model changes in addition to how the car is adjusted on the track. This ignores the fact that owner(s) prior to you may have changed the setup. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 2:18 PM edwin jenkins <ejenkins1953@gmail.com wrote:
Well I will have to next spring ,for I have it covered for the winter
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From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:52 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed, I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. Thanks, Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes' (one of a few that has had the traveler removed!)
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed.
The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). A M15 owner can share the length.
The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
> Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that > has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload > photos - she > looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned > several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been > able to > fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo > / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct > rigging for the traveler? > > Thanks, > > Ed >
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Thanks all. I’ll get it right now!
On Nov 12, 2018, at 5:00 PM, casioqv@usermail.com wrote:
I tried Gary's split tail mainsheet (in fact the very one pictured) on my M15, but wasn't able to get it to point well. Because the M15 lacks a backstay, with the split tail you can only get luff tension on the headsail with the boom centered- any other position and the headstay goes slack. The factory rope traveler on the M15 lets you get a lot of "virtual backstay tension" at different sheeting angles, but doesn't let you get close enough to the centerline.
I think this could be fixed easily by making the split tails adjustable and on a continous loop, so you mostly change the boom angle by feeding out one tail, and in the other. Another solution might be a really really strong boom vang.
Sincerely, Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 2:46:19 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
I think there's pics on the MSOGphoto site? One that I have attached...interesting indeed.
cheers, John
On 11/12/2018 02:14 PM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
Gary has a neat mainsheet arrangement that I'm thinking about copying- maybe he'll share it with us.
-----Original Message----- From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 12:12 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
John, re. your comment -
YMMV, just my thoughts...you have to work (pull in or out of camcleat) each side separately to adjust yours, so the loop between the camcleats is not a benefit AFAICT. The 'loop' or continuous line between the two cam cleats allows the helmsperson to release the 'old' upwind side of the traveler after having tacked the boat with out having to reach down to the 'old' weather side cleat. There is a benefit with the continuous line. The Harken self-tacking car is WAY to large for this or the 17 application in my opinion (trav. on the floor) you lose movement of the car on the short bit of track the floor mounted travelers have with the wide self -tacking car. Hey - it's sailing and nobody is scoring - just find the BEST way for yourself!! Heck-I removed mine COMPLETELY and I race more than I cruise (maybe changing here any day...) Have Fun go sailing! GO
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2018 9:58 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
To clarify between mine & Dave's answer - his gives you a single line that runs through the whole setup.
The loop of that line between the two camcleats, across the width of the cockpit from seat level, I would find to be totally in the way, and a tripping and entanglement hazard, for a mid-cockpit traveler. Even with a lot of slack you have a loop hanging across the cockpit, fast at both ends.
For a transom mounted traveler, not such a problem.
You can have one line each side without creating that hazard. Equivalent to running it as Dave describes and then cutting it in the middle.
YMMV, just my thoughts...you have to work (pull in or out of camcleat) each side separately to adjust yours, so the loop between the camcleats is not a benefit AFAICT.
cheers, John
On 11/11/2018 08:20 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Ed:
Nope, that ain't right.
Attach the line to the becket one of the blocks attached to the cockpit footwell wall. Run the line inboard through the traveler car block facing the becket. Run the line back to the block and up through the cam-cleat fairlead and then over to the opposite cam-cleat down to the block on the facing cockpit wall. Line now goes back to the traveler to the car block and the back to the becket.
Another way to state: tie line to becket on footwell wall run through traveler block run back and through block on footwell wall up to camcleat loop over to opposite wall camcleat down through footwell block in board through traveler block and back becket and tied.
Hope one of the above descriptions helps!
Your set up is the same as on SWEET PEA'S ... I don't have a picture. Currently I'm 100+ miles from her so can't take a picture.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 7:28 PM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Here is the photo of the traveler, with my attempt to rig it. A description or photo of the correct rigging would be greatly appreciated.
Ed
On Nov 7, 2018, at 5:57 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I have some pics of someone's 1981 M17 where it's mid-cockpit (e.g. sheet just clears front of tiller). Setup as Dave described, track with car that can be moved to various stop positions between the two ends of the track. So I think that would be your expected location, unless some prior owner moved it or rigged it some other way.
cheers, John
On 11/07/2018 03:50 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Gary - Yep ... I don't know why I was thinking M15. ??? Ed - Jerry did many different setups over the years. Usually the difference being the traveler,.in the cockpit floor, is further aft from the companionway as boat production progressed (a 70s boat traveler at the companionway and by the 90s the middle of the cockpit). The usual is a t-track with a car to which the mainsheet hardware connects. The make/model changes in addition to how the car is adjusted on the track. This ignores the fact that owner(s) prior to you may have changed the setup. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 2:18 PM edwin jenkins <ejenkins1953@gmail.com wrote: > Well I will have to next spring ,for I have it covered for the winter > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats > Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:52 PM > To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 > > Ed, I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? > If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you > post a > photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the > photo. > Thanks, > Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes' (one of a few that has had > the traveler removed!) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 > > Ed. > > The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope > traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it > needs to be > set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at > the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s > where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). > A M15 owner can share the length. > > The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes > (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line > through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote: > >> Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that >> has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload >> photos - > she >> looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned >> several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been >> able to >> fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a > photo >> / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the > correct >> rigging for the traveler? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ed >> > >
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Tyler, A continuous loop traveler with a fixed mainsheet attachment point would work very well on the M-15, and is probably the cleanest most effective solution - good call! (my Penguin has a traveler of that type- wire and thru the deck to a single tail to control it -Elegant!((it came to me that way))). The key to a split-tail mainsheet working properly is to have the tails attached at the deck perpendicular to the end of the boom when it is on centerline (or forward of 90 degrees- for the boom to come up to the weather side of the boat). The split-tail mainsheet should work fine on Jerry's Sage 17 (and will allow him to get his big self farther forward in the cockpit!!) A suitable boom vang is needed for proper mainsail shape control. The standard mainsheet on the M-15 loads the mainsail leech under close hauled trim only and does little to act as a 'backstay' at any other point of trim - as the rig has no spreaders, the only way to tension the rig is with tight shrouds or the mainsheet acting on the rig via the sail leech - thus producing a hooked mainsail leech, bad for pointing.The M-15 rig gets it's headstay tension upwind from the jib halyard and mainsheet load - but in light to moderate breeze the forestay may be too tight when the main is sheeted in - how many of us ease the jib halyard at this point? Maintaining proper sail twist is easiest achieved on this type rig using an easily operated vang and the mainsheet. There is no 'good clean solution' to sheeting while controlling twist using the mainsheet alone- maybe a curved traveler track across the boat - not convenient or as well controlled as sheet/vang combo. As you ease the mainsheet the sail will twist off without a vang. (check your leech teltales with the vang on and then with the vang off when you ease the mainsheet!) The M-15/ Sage 15 are great sailing boats and their potential is enhanced by the use of a proper (powerful, easy operating ie. 3:1/4:1 with a cascade) vang and adjusting headsail halyard tension to fit the conditions. The ideal setup allows the mainsheet to 'open and close the door' while the vang, shrouds and jib halyard address the other variables such as rake, twist and mast bend. It is too much to ask the mainsheet on their rigs to accomplish ALL the tasks required. I hope this finds all well with you and your family - Take Care, Have fUn - go sailing! GO -----Original Message----- From: casioqv <casioqv@usermail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, Nov 12, 2018 4:01 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 I tried Gary's split tail mainsheet (in fact the very one pictured) on my M15, but wasn't able to get it to point well. Because the M15 lacks a backstay, with the split tail you can only get luff tension on the headsail with the boom centered- any other position and the headstay goes slack. The factory rope traveler on the M15 lets you get a lot of "virtual backstay tension" at different sheeting angles, but doesn't let you get close enough to the centerline. I think this could be fixed easily by making the split tails adjustable and on a continous loop, so you mostly change the boom angle by feeding out one tail, and in the other. Another solution might be a really really strong boom vang. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 2:46:19 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 I think there's pics on the MSOGphoto site? One that I have attached...interesting indeed. cheers, John On 11/12/2018 02:14 PM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
Gary has a neat mainsheet arrangement that I'm thinking about copying- maybe he'll share it with us.
-----Original Message----- From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 12:12 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
John, re. your comment -
YMMV, just my thoughts...you have to work (pull in or out of camcleat) each side separately to adjust yours, so the loop between the camcleats is not a benefit AFAICT. The 'loop' or continuous line between the two cam cleats allows the helmsperson to release the 'old' upwind side of the traveler after having tacked the boat with out having to reach down to the 'old' weather side cleat. There is a benefit with the continuous line. The Harken self-tacking car is WAY to large for this or the 17 application in my opinion (trav. on the floor) you lose movement of the car on the short bit of track the floor mounted travelers have with the wide self -tacking car. Hey - it's sailing and nobody is scoring - just find the BEST way for yourself!! Heck-I removed mine COMPLETELY and I race more than I cruise (maybe changing here any day...) Have Fun go sailing! GO
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2018 9:58 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
To clarify between mine & Dave's answer - his gives you a single line that runs through the whole setup.
The loop of that line between the two camcleats, across the width of the cockpit from seat level, I would find to be totally in the way, and a tripping and entanglement hazard, for a mid-cockpit traveler. Even with a lot of slack you have a loop hanging across the cockpit, fast at both ends.
For a transom mounted traveler, not such a problem.
You can have one line each side without creating that hazard. Equivalent to running it as Dave describes and then cutting it in the middle.
YMMV, just my thoughts...you have to work (pull in or out of camcleat) each side separately to adjust yours, so the loop between the camcleats is not a benefit AFAICT.
cheers, John
On 11/11/2018 08:20 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Ed:
Nope, that ain't right.
Attach the line to the becket one of the blocks attached to the cockpit footwell wall. Run the line inboard through the traveler car block facing the becket. Run the line back to the block and up through the cam-cleat fairlead and then over to the opposite cam-cleat down to the block on the facing cockpit wall. Line now goes back to the traveler to the car block and the back to the becket.
Another way to state: tie line to becket on footwell wall run through traveler block run back and through block on footwell wall up to camcleat loop over to opposite wall camcleat down through footwell block in board through traveler block and back becket and tied.
Hope one of the above descriptions helps!
Your set up is the same as on SWEET PEA'S ... I don't have a picture. Currently I'm 100+ miles from her so can't take a picture.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 7:28 PM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Here is the photo of the traveler, with my attempt to rig it. A description or photo of the correct rigging would be greatly appreciated.
Ed
On Nov 7, 2018, at 5:57 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I have some pics of someone's 1981 M17 where it's mid-cockpit (e.g. sheet just clears front of tiller). Setup as Dave described, track with car that can be moved to various stop positions between the two ends of the track. So I think that would be your expected location, unless some prior owner moved it or rigged it some other way.
cheers, John
On 11/07/2018 03:50 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Gary - Yep ... I don't know why I was thinking M15. ??? Ed - Jerry did many different setups over the years. Usually the difference being the traveler,.in the cockpit floor, is further aft from the companionway as boat production progressed (a 70s boat traveler at the companionway and by the 90s the middle of the cockpit). The usual is a t-track with a car to which the mainsheet hardware connects. The make/model changes in addition to how the car is adjusted on the track. This ignores the fact that owner(s) prior to you may have changed the setup. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 2:18 PM edwin jenkins <ejenkins1953@gmail.com wrote:
Well I will have to next spring ,for I have it covered for the winter
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:52 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed, I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. Thanks, Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes' (one of a few that has had the traveler removed!)
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed.
The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). A M15 owner can share the length.
The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
> Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that > has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload > photos - she > looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned > several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been > able to > fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo > / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct > rigging for the traveler? > > Thanks, > > Ed >
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OK, I see what you mean - in the case where I want to raise the traveler (on the new tack) and need more slack on what is now the leeward side to raise it as much as I want (more than existing slack will allow). Story of Harken windward sheeting car on my M17: It came with the boat, mounted on a 4 ft. rail bolted to the seat tops, right across the cockpit, about 7 or 8 inches behind the companionway. In the way of just about everything. I can only imagine that some prior owner: A) was into racing, and put it there (though nothing else on the boat as I got it seemed set up for racing), or B) got too excited about a fancy gee-whiz expensive piece of hardware (or a slick-talking salesperson worked them over)...a fool and their money etc. I left it that way the first season I had it, while figuring out how to improve the situation. I determined that the amount of travel I'd get with the shortened rail, raised 3" off cockpit floor, just behind companionway, was adequate, and certainly better than none, and why not make at least some use of that absurdly expensive toy that came with the boat? It runs full width side to side, there's no limiters on the ends of the track (no need, with it captive like it is). So with the taper in cockpit sole width, and the becket blocks keeping the plain car at least a couple inches off the cockpit side, I think I get about same travel as plain car mid-cockpit locations on newer M17s. Plus with the older mainsheet location further forward on boom, a given amount of traveler movement has larger effect on boom/sail position than same amount of travel further aft. So...it works for me pretty well, given that I got it with the boat. Out of the way, lovely easy raise/lower of traveler, enough travel to be worth it. Mine is an M17 by the way not an M15, if that wasn't clear in my previous comments. cheers, John On 11/12/2018 12:12 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote:
John, re. your comment -
YMMV, just my thoughts...you have to work (pull in or out of camcleat) each side separately to adjust yours, so the loop between the camcleats is not a benefit AFAICT. The 'loop' or continuous line between the two cam cleats allows the helmsperson to release the 'old' upwind side of the traveler after having tacked the boat with out having to reach down to the 'old' weather side cleat. There is a benefit with the continuous line. The Harken self-tacking car is WAY to large for this or the 17 application in my opinion (trav. on the floor) you lose movement of the car on the short bit of track the floor mounted travelers have with the wide self -tacking car. Hey - it's sailing and nobody is scoring - just find the BEST way for yourself!! Heck-I removed mine COMPLETELY and I race more than I cruise (maybe changing here any day...) Have Fun go sailing! GO
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2018 9:58 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
To clarify between mine & Dave's answer - his gives you a single line that runs through the whole setup.
The loop of that line between the two camcleats, across the width of the cockpit from seat level, I would find to be totally in the way, and a tripping and entanglement hazard, for a mid-cockpit traveler. Even with a lot of slack you have a loop hanging across the cockpit, fast at both ends.
For a transom mounted traveler, not such a problem.
You can have one line each side without creating that hazard. Equivalent to running it as Dave describes and then cutting it in the middle.
YMMV, just my thoughts...you have to work (pull in or out of camcleat) each side separately to adjust yours, so the loop between the camcleats is not a benefit AFAICT.
cheers, John
On 11/11/2018 08:20 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Ed:
Nope, that ain't right.
Attach the line to the becket one of the blocks attached to the cockpit footwell wall. Run the line inboard through the traveler car block facing the becket. Run the line back to the block and up through the cam-cleat fairlead and then over to the opposite cam-cleat down to the block on the facing cockpit wall. Line now goes back to the traveler to the car block and the back to the becket.
Another way to state: tie line to becket on footwell wall run through traveler block run back and through block on footwell wall up to camcleat loop over to opposite wall camcleat down through footwell block in board through traveler block and back becket and tied.
Hope one of the above descriptions helps!
Your set up is the same as on SWEET PEA'S ... I don't have a picture. Currently I'm 100+ miles from her so can't take a picture.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 7:28 PM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Here is the photo of the traveler, with my attempt to rig it. A description or photo of the correct rigging would be greatly appreciated.
Ed
On Nov 7, 2018, at 5:57 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I have some pics of someone's 1981 M17 where it's mid-cockpit (e.g. sheet just clears front of tiller). Setup as Dave described, track with car that can be moved to various stop positions between the two ends of the track. So I think that would be your expected location, unless some prior owner moved it or rigged it some other way.
cheers, John
On 11/07/2018 03:50 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Gary - Yep ... I don't know why I was thinking M15. ??? Ed - Jerry did many different setups over the years. Usually the difference being the traveler,.in the cockpit floor, is further aft from the companionway as boat production progressed (a 70s boat traveler at the companionway and by the 90s the middle of the cockpit). The usual is a t-track with a car to which the mainsheet hardware connects. The make/model changes in addition to how the car is adjusted on the track. This ignores the fact that owner(s) prior to you may have changed the setup. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 2:18 PM edwin jenkins <ejenkins1953@gmail.com wrote:
Well I will have to next spring ,for I have it covered for the winter
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From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:52 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed, I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. Thanks, Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes' (one of a few that has had the traveler removed!)
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed.
The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). A M15 owner can share the length.
The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
> Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that > has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - she > looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned > several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been able to > fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo > / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct > rigging for the traveler? > > Thanks, > > Ed >
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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Ha! Scobie beat me to it. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Dave Scobie Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 10:20 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 Ed: Nope, that ain't right. Attach the line to the becket one of the blocks attached to the cockpit footwell wall. Run the line inboard through the traveler car block facing the becket. Run the line back to the block and up through the cam-cleat fairlead and then over to the opposite cam-cleat down to the block on the facing cockpit wall. Line now goes back to the traveler to the car block and the back to the becket. Another way to state: tie line to becket on footwell wall run through traveler block run back and through block on footwell wall up to camcleat loop over to opposite wall camcleat down through footwell block in board through traveler block and back becket and tied. Hope one of the above descriptions helps! Your set up is the same as on SWEET PEA'S ... I don't have a picture. Currently I'm 100+ miles from her so can't take a picture. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 7:28 PM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Here is the photo of the traveler, with my attempt to rig it. A description or photo of the correct rigging would be greatly appreciated.
Ed
On Nov 7, 2018, at 5:57 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I have some pics of someone's 1981 M17 where it's mid-cockpit (e.g. sheet just clears front of tiller). Setup as Dave described, track with car that can be moved to various stop positions between the two ends of the track. So I think that would be your expected location, unless some prior owner moved it or rigged it some other way.
cheers, John
On 11/07/2018 03:50 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Gary - Yep ... I don't know why I was thinking M15. ??? Ed - Jerry did many different setups over the years. Usually the difference being the traveler,.in the cockpit floor, is further aft from the companionway as boat production progressed (a 70s boat traveler at the companionway and by the 90s the middle of the cockpit). The usual is a t-track with a car to which the mainsheet hardware connects. The make/model changes in addition to how the car is adjusted on the track. This ignores the fact that owner(s) prior to you may have changed the setup. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 2:18 PM edwin jenkins <ejenkins1953@gmail.com wrote:
Well I will have to next spring ,for I have it covered for the winter
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From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:52 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed, I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. Thanks, Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes' (one of a few that has had the traveler removed!)
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed.
The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). A M15 owner can share the length.
The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - she looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been able to fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct rigging for the traveler?
Thanks,
Ed
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Tie the end if the kine to the becket on the block, take it to the traveler block, back to the turning block, up through the cam cleat, over to the other cam cleat, down to the block, through the traveler, and back to the becket on the turning block. From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Edward Cazier Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 9:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 Here is the photo of the traveler, with my attempt to rig it. A description or photo of the correct rigging would be greatly appreciated. Ed
On Nov 7, 2018, at 5:57 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net<mailto:john@eco-living.net>> wrote:
I have some pics of someone's 1981 M17 where it's mid-cockpit (e.g. sheet just clears front of tiller). Setup as Dave described, track with car that can be moved to various stop positions between the two ends of the track. So I think that would be your expected location, unless some prior owner moved it or rigged it some other way.
cheers, John
On 11/07/2018 03:50 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Gary - Yep ... I don't know why I was thinking M15. ??? Ed - Jerry did many different setups over the years. Usually the difference being the traveler,.in the cockpit floor, is further aft from the companionway as boat production progressed (a 70s boat traveler at the companionway and by the 90s the middle of the cockpit). The usual is a t-track with a car to which the mainsheet hardware connects. The make/model changes in addition to how the car is adjusted on the track. This ignores the fact that owner(s) prior to you may have changed the setup. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 2:18 PM edwin jenkins <ejenkins1953@gmail.com wrote: <mailto:ejenkins1953@gmail.com%20wrote:%0b>>>> Well I will have to next spring ,for I have it covered for the winter
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From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:52 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com<mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed, I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. Thanks, Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes' (one of a few that has had the traveler removed!)
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com<mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com<mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed.
The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). A M15 owner can share the length.
The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
<mailto:edward.cazier@gmail.com%20wrote:%0b>>>>
Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - she looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been able to fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct rigging for the traveler?
Thanks,
Ed
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net<mailto:john@eco-living.net> - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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