I have already started practicing. On another tack, I was out on my sunfish teaching a friend the art of capsizing, and I must admit that I had forgotten how much fun fresh water sailing is. I mean no jelly fish, no salt sting in the eyes, and best of all a mouthful of freshwater is not as bad. My sailing is 99.9% salt water and after every sail there is a fresh water rinse. The Lake is an hours drive away and then temperatures get more bearable (below 90 degrees) I will defiantly treat Sagitta to a fresh water sail. BTW I burned twice as bad as when out in salt water. Being in a fresh water environment sure can lull you into a false sense of cool. gilbert

Craig, those are pretty big waves, how much wind did you have? The problem is not in the way the boat handles the chop/waves but rather in how I handle the up/down motion. Here it will blow 18-20 knots when we get that size waves and to keep from getting overpowered with the wind and the weather helm you have to sail either close hauled or run w/the wind...still what were your temperatures? gil -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Craig F. Honshell Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 4:28 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: re: Setting Up the M15 Join us in the Great Lakes, Gilbert ... Just back from a 2-day sail, Leland, MI, to North Manitou, MI, to South Manitou, back to Leland ... Day 1: Waves 2-4' ... Day 2: Waves 3-5' ... I think 3-5' waves, COMFORTABLY, in a 17' boat is pretty impressive ... Love the M17 ... ----- Original Message ----- From: Gilbert Landin To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 11:56 AM Subject: RE: M_Boats: re: Setting Up the M15 I have already started practicing. On another tack, I was out on my sunfish teaching a friend the art of capsizing, and I must admit that I had forgotten how much fun fresh water sailing is. I mean no jelly fish, no salt sting in the eyes, and best of all a mouthful of freshwater is not as bad. My sailing is 99.9% salt water and after every sail there is a fresh water rinse. The Lake is an hours drive away and then temperatures get more bearable (below 90 degrees) I will defiantly treat Sagitta to a fresh water sail. BTW I burned twice as bad as when out in salt water. Being in a fresh water environment sure can lull you into a false sense of cool. gilbert _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

Wow, this is really shaping up! Might I suggest a "sleep deprived" category too? Often, when I set Busca up, it is after a long drive, in some cases on the order of 14 hours. Or, when unrigging, it's after a couple of weeks on a 3" thick 18 y.o. long-lost-its-spring mattress. Tod -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bill "C" Day Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 1:43 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: re: Setting Up the M15 Thanks Tom and Thomas for your rigging competition rules input. We will, of course, have separate steroid and non-steroid divisions. That probably means we'll have to have a beer and non-beer division too. I've also noticed that the presence of bikini clad young ladies within the field of view of the rigging competitor can adversely affect the rigging time, as well as, whether the mast stays raised or not. We'll have to take that into account also, by having bikini and non-bikini divisions. I'm sure that once we get the rules ironed out, we'll have serious competitors who'll spend every weekend in their driveways, practicing rigging and unrigging until they are performing in the mid to high single digits. At that point, the sports networks will become interested and rigging scouts will start prowling the neighborhoods looking for the fastest riggermasters. Naturally, the up and coming competitors will be the young and agile. This will tend to leave actual sailing to the codgers and geezers among us. After a day of sailing we can tune into the sports networks to check the rigging standings to see if our rigging pool bets have paid off. Once we get the rules fine tuned, and rigging competition becomes an Olympic sport, then a professional sport, the popularity of the sport will soar. Then, most boat builders will start building boats with only a deck and rigging. There won't be any more need for that pesky hull. Most hulls are only good for collecting barnacles and springing leaks anyway. For those who prefer actual sailing, there will be barges that we can load our decks and rigging onto, for that genuine water experience so many of us will pine for. Then, someone will wonder how long it takes other people to load their rigging platform onto a barge. Some will time the event with the barge already in the water, while others will load their rigging with the barge in the parking lot and launch after the rigging and ice chests are loaded. Then we can form a rules committee and start a new competition. Bill Day _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats