Chris, This is one of those things you never think about until --- In 1977 my ex and myself were sailing a Coronado 15 on Lake Havasu in February (long before the M-23 guru lived there), we capsized in 25 kts and VERY cold (maybe 55 degree F water - the Colorado River runs about 52-55 degrees year-round) I was barely able to recover myself to the boat and I could not get her in the boat at all so I left her to ---- actually the trapeze diaper hook was getting caught on the transom rubrail - figgered that out and got her into the boat. It was all I could do to move my extremeties when I hit that water - lifejackets were mandatory per the RC and it was colair and water. I have NEVER felt so helpless as at that moment! On any boat that has freeboard of more than ten inches we should probably have a permanent ladder installed on the transom - if the water is cold fold, it 1/2 way down to enable reaching it would be a good idea. My Railmakers C-22 pivoting ladder is securely stored in my garage! I am NOT prepared although if I sail in cold water I trail a warp with knots to assist recovery. (practice what I preach heh?) Strong - non pinching - permanent mount ladders are an important safety feature - no one wants to loose some one due to poor advance planning - A poor fitting folding ladder belongs in only one place - recycling bin -fixed or proper folding STEEL ladder should be a part of safety equipment. PS every single person in my family has come close to drowning while sailing a small boat. My father never sailed an unballasted boat after his episode. Please WEAR life jackets, practice MOB drills and recovery - LifeSling is a good item - do not stow these items below or in lockers - I have taught probably 800 to 1000 people how to sail and this is my #1 concern - It ain't cool to not come back to tell about the sailing adventure you had. My ex-wife almost drowned twice on dinghies - she was tenacious! (TIC) Safety First - remember 'This is an exhibition - NOT a competition - wear your safety equipment' and do NOT stow these items - It ain't cool looking to have a ladder and a lifesling hanging off the stern of your boat - but they sure come in handy - The number one responsibility of the "Skipper/Operator/Owner - the safety of your crew and guests. All are held to this responsibility. Sorry for the rant - must be my "daddy" instincts rearing their head - Check USSailing Instructor info for MOB and I believe the use of Lifesling. Now back to fun stuff. Chris - this is not directed AT you but for all of us (I need to install that ladder don't I !) Take Care,Have Fun, Sail Safely GO end of rant - carry on. In a message dated 7/31/2009 9:54:08 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, chris.r.smith@gmail.com writes: A ladder. I had a rough experience a couple weeks ago with just this case. I was the one who had the 'death roll' and all 4 of us went overboard. The first 2 got in fine with the ladder (once I hopped back in and pulled it out of the cabin), but the last person was a little bigger and had a rough time. We ended up anchoring, pulling the rudder and used a combo of the ladder and 2 people pulling. it was difficult but we all made it back to the dock. ...it was a good thing the water was warm! The biggest problem that we ran into was that the ladder was not well fitted to the boat and kept slipping off. That prompted me to start thinking about building a ladder to fit the over the starboard side of the transom (getting up on the side is not doable for most people and would be a pain to try to fit a ladder to). Another boat project! Chris M15 Persephone On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:43 AM, <larrypegg@aol.com> wrote:
I don't have a problem getting to an object but how would you get an
adult
on board if they could not help or provide little help?
At your service
Larry Pegg Pilgrim M-17 #55
-----Original Message----- From: John and DesAnne Hippe <jdhippe@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:42 pm Subject: M_Boats: MOB
Hello All,
Tom's sport he has with his kids -- pulling them behind and then doing MOB drills sounds like a lot of fun and had me thinking about my current MOB practice. I was taught to fall off on a broad reach, go out for a few boat lengths (can't remember off hand how far but can visualize it when actually doing it), jibe and then come back up on a close haul to the individual.
While this works, it does seem to put a fair amount of distance between individual in the water an the boat. Since I am essentially single-handing with two small children I wanted to see if there are faster ways to respond given the M-15 nimbleness. Yesterday I was practicing in light air with little sea running. From a close hauled course,I was able to drop an object overboard and then do a very quick 360 by tacking through the wind, falling off, jibing and coming right up on the object. This worked quite well. Don't know if it would work in higher wind or with more seas running...
I know brighter minds have looked into this and am wondering what you all thought?
Respectfully,
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has anyone rigged a lifesling (LS) on an M15 or M17? to hoist MOB, if my memory serves from the LS my folks had on the choey lee 32', requires hooking to the boom-end. can the M15/17 boom and/or gooseneck take this weight? dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site - http://www.m17-375.webs.com --- On Fri, 7/31/09, GILASAILR@aol.com <GILASAILR@aol.com> wrote: LifeSling is a good item GO
You can never rant enough when it comes to safety of crew and vessel. Good advice! ----- Original Message ----- From: <GILASAILR@aol.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:25 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: MOB plus
Chris, This is one of those things you never think about until --- In 1977 my ex and myself were sailing a Coronado 15 on Lake Havasu in February (long before the M-23 guru lived there), we capsized in 25 kts and VERY cold (maybe 55 degree F water - the Colorado River runs about 52-55 degrees year-round) I was barely able to recover myself to the boat and I could not get her in the boat at all so I left her to ----
actually the trapeze diaper hook was getting caught on the transom rubrail - figgered that out and got her into the boat. It was all I could do to move my extremeties when I hit that water - lifejackets were mandatory per the RC and it was colair and water. I have NEVER felt so helpless as at that moment!
On any boat that has freeboard of more than ten inches we should probably have a permanent ladder installed on the transom - if the water is cold fold, it 1/2 way down to enable reaching it would be a good idea. My Railmakers C-22 pivoting ladder is securely stored in my garage! I am NOT prepared although if I sail in cold water I trail a warp with knots to assist recovery. (practice what I preach heh?)
Strong - non pinching - permanent mount ladders are an important safety feature - no one wants to loose some one due to poor advance planning - A poor fitting folding ladder belongs in only one place - recycling bin -fixed or proper folding STEEL ladder should be a part of safety equipment. PS every single person in my family has come close to drowning while sailing a small boat. My father never sailed an unballasted boat after his episode.
Please WEAR life jackets, practice MOB drills and recovery - LifeSling is a good item - do not stow these items below or in lockers - I have taught probably 800 to 1000 people how to sail and this is my #1 concern - It ain't cool to not come back to tell about the sailing adventure you had.
My ex-wife almost drowned twice on dinghies - she was tenacious! (TIC)
Safety First - remember 'This is an exhibition - NOT a competition - wear your safety equipment' and do NOT stow these items - It ain't cool looking to have a ladder and a lifesling hanging off the stern of your boat - but they sure come in handy - The number one responsibility of the "Skipper/Operator/Owner - the safety of your crew and guests. All are held to this responsibility.
Sorry for the rant - must be my "daddy" instincts rearing their head - Check USSailing Instructor info for MOB and I believe the use of Lifesling.
Now back to fun stuff. Chris - this is not directed AT you but for all of us (I need to install that ladder don't I !)
Take Care,Have Fun, Sail Safely GO
end of rant - carry on.
In a message dated 7/31/2009 9:54:08 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, chris.r.smith@gmail.com writes:
A ladder.
I had a rough experience a couple weeks ago with just this case. I was the one who had the 'death roll' and all 4 of us went overboard. The first 2 got in fine with the ladder (once I hopped back in and pulled it out of the cabin), but the last person was a little bigger and had a rough time. We ended up anchoring, pulling the rudder and used a combo of the ladder and 2 people pulling. it was difficult but we all made it back to the dock. ...it was a good thing the water was warm!
The biggest problem that we ran into was that the ladder was not well fitted to the boat and kept slipping off. That prompted me to start thinking about building a ladder to fit the over the starboard side of the transom (getting up on the side is not doable for most people and would be a pain to try to fit a ladder to). Another boat project!
Chris M15 Persephone
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:43 AM, <larrypegg@aol.com> wrote:
I don't have a problem getting to an object but how would you get an
adult
on board if they could not help or provide little help?
At your service
Larry Pegg Pilgrim M-17 #55
-----Original Message----- From: John and DesAnne Hippe <jdhippe@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:42 pm Subject: M_Boats: MOB
Hello All,
Tom's sport he has with his kids -- pulling them behind and then doing MOB drills sounds like a lot of fun and had me thinking about my current MOB practice. I was taught to fall off on a broad reach, go out for a few boat lengths (can't remember off hand how far but can visualize it when actually doing it), jibe and then come back up on a close haul to the individual.
While this works, it does seem to put a fair amount of distance between individual in the water an the boat. Since I am essentially single-handing with two small children I wanted to see if there are faster ways to respond given the M-15 nimbleness. Yesterday I was practicing in light air with little sea running. From a close hauled course,I was able to drop an object overboard and then do a very quick 360 by tacking through the wind, falling off, jibing and coming right up on the object. This worked quite well. Don't know if it would work in higher wind or with more seas running...
I know brighter minds have looked into this and am wondering what you all thought?
Respectfully,
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