I am always pre-thinking any possibility, so I built in an extra seat on my M-15 before I even thought about four in the cockpit. Using wood and marine aluminum chair posts, I installed a hard plastic stadium folding chair in the companionway. With the hatch slid forward you can seat one (heaviest) person in the companionway while seating the two other people close to the cabin house on port and starboard. This leaves enough room for you to control the tiller and mainsheet, while the passengers work the port and starboard jib sheets. Everyone has a position and the boat remains solidly balanced. You can also run the main sheet to the back of the cockpit using a couple of pulleys and another jam cleat. Unlike some others who post, I usually sail alone and I have only tried out my system once, with four, in a fairly good blow. The boat handled very well with the extra weight and had good stability in the wind and waves. It even works quite well for just two people since the captain can have the cockpit to his or her self and not have to worry about someone else switching sides on each tack. I'm posting this so someone else might benefit from it and feel a little more comfortable with carrying four on board. It was not that expensive or difficult to make and it is removable when you don't wish to have it in the way. My wife refuses to sit in it , she calls it my red neck chair! Monty 15..."Still The One"... Lou Aliotta
Smart. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 2, 2013, at 11:12 PM, "Lou" <capnlou@ec.rr.com> wrote:
I am always pre-thinking any possibility, so I built in an extra seat on my M-15 before I even thought about four in the cockpit. Using wood and marine aluminum chair posts, I installed a hard plastic stadium folding chair in the companionway. With the hatch slid forward you can seat one (heaviest) person in the companionway while seating the two other people close to the cabin house on port and starboard. This leaves enough room for you to control the tiller and mainsheet, while the passengers work the port and starboard jib sheets. Everyone has a position and the boat remains solidly balanced. You can also run the main sheet to the back of the cockpit using a couple of pulleys and another jam cleat.
Unlike some others who post, I usually sail alone and I have only tried out my system once, with four, in a fairly good blow. The boat handled very well with the extra weight and had good stability in the wind and waves. It even works quite well for just two people since the captain can have the cockpit to his or her self and not have to worry about someone else switching sides on each tack. I'm posting this so someone else might benefit from it and feel a little more comfortable with carrying four on board. It was not that expensive or difficult to make and it is removable when you don't wish to have it in the way. My wife refuses to sit in it , she calls it my red neck chair!
Monty 15..."Still The One"... Lou Aliotta
Another way to go when you have three or four adults on the boat is to have one of them stand in the cabin just aft of the head. It balances the boat very well. I have stood there myself on a few three person sails and have found it very comfortable. You can hang onto the cabin top for balance and even rest a foot on the companionway. When I had a larger sailboat with a wheel, I stood most of the time to steer anyway, and always in a blow! Ron C. M-15 Spirit ________________________________ From: Martha Ekwurtzel <marthaekwurtzel@aol.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 7:02 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Four adults on an M-15 Smart. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 2, 2013, at 11:12 PM, "Lou" <capnlou@ec.rr.com> wrote:
I am always pre-thinking any possibility, so I built in an extra seat on my M-15 before I even thought about four in the cockpit. Using wood and marine aluminum chair posts, I installed a hard plastic stadium folding chair in the companionway. With the hatch slid forward you can seat one (heaviest) person in the companionway while seating the two other people close to the cabin house on port and starboard. This leaves enough room for you to control the tiller and mainsheet, while the passengers work the port and starboard jib sheets. Everyone has a position and the boat remains solidly balanced. You can also run the main sheet to the back of the cockpit using a couple of pulleys and another jam cleat.
Unlike some others who post, I usually sail alone and I have only tried out my system once, with four, in a fairly good blow. The boat handled very well with the extra weight and had good stability in the wind and waves. It even works quite well for just two people since the captain can have the cockpit to his or her self and not have to worry about someone else switching sides on each tack. I'm posting this so someone else might benefit from it and feel a little more comfortable with carrying four on board. It was not that expensive or difficult to make and it is removable when you don't wish to have it in the way. My wife refuses to sit in it , she calls it my red neck chair!
Monty 15..."Still The One"... Lou Aliotta
a resource on number of persons in a boat - http://newboatbuilders.com/docs/BoatCapacityVSAvailableSeating.pdf (the hotlinks to other documents in the text are also good reading) the 'old standby' equation of length x beam divided by 15 is not at all safe (says the M15 can carry 6 or 7 people ... and the assumed weight/person is not what the average American weighs). the above linked article also has discussion about how a boat can carry a lot more weight than is safe ... and the M15 can take a lot of weight. always remember that humans are prone to move around and can find him/her-self in an unsafe location based on the current set of sail and/or state of the sea (more true if the person is unfamiliar with sailing; or person is not familiar with small boats). more people in a small space means folks are likely to be bumping into each other and unintentionally putting someone in an unsafe place. remember this tragic incident a couple years ago - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/29/san-diego-sailboat-capsize_n_842202... be sure to note what Roger MacGregor states concerning the number of people that were on a Mac26, a much larger boat than the M15. this is a good conversation folks. i'm glad this issue came up. :: Dave Scobie --- On Tue, 4/2/13, Lou <capnlou@ec.rr.com> wrote:
I am always pre-thinking any possibility, so I built in an extra seat on my M-15 before I even thought about four in the cockpit. Using wood and marine aluminum chair posts, I installed a hard plastic stadium folding chair in the companionway. With the hatch slid forward you can seat one (heaviest) person in the companionway while seating the two other people close to the cabin house on port and starboard. This leaves enough room for you to control the tiller and mainsheet, while the passengers work the port and starboard jib sheets. Everyone has a position and the boat remains solidly balanced. You can also run the main sheet to the back of the cockpit using a couple of pulleys and another jam cleat.
Unlike some others who post, I usually sail alone and I have only tried out my system once, with four, in a fairly good blow. The boat handled very well with the extra weight and had good stability in the wind and waves. It even works quite well for just two people since the captain can have the cockpit to his or her self and not have to worry about someone else switching sides on each tack. I'm posting this so someone else might benefit from it and feel a little more comfortable with carrying four on board. It was not that expensive or difficult to make and it is removable when you don't wish to have it in the way. My wife refuses to sit in it , she calls it my red neck chair!
Monty 15..."Still The One"... Lou Aliotta
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