On the subject of Seagull outboards, I have a good used silver seagull for sale, it is the 6hp version with reverse, the highest horsepower only model with reverse that was produced, that I'm aware of. It is a long-shaft model and has rewind-start (as opposed to the early models that you wrapped the rope around to start). In good running condition, last used 18 months ago, $450, includes original owner's manual. fair winds, -Joel -- Joel Santarone General Manager IdaSailor Marine Inc. www.idasailor.com 866-400-2204 toll free 208-375-2204 shop sailboats@idasailor.com