Today brings a bit firmer winds, not sure how much. No white caps but 5he surface is disturbed and I'm showed 7.5 kts with current. Franken Batten is holding sure. In 5he pic, its the middle one. So far I'd have to give it a super cheap and fast fix thumbs up. As an aside, I spent about 5 minutes trimming the sails, then I locked the tiller tamer and sat on the bow for 23 minutes before I got bored. If you don't have one, really it's well worth the money. (Not affiliated). Jazz On Jul 27, 2016 12:48 PM, "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote: I pay a young man who works at the marina, a guy young to be my grand-son, to raise my mast. Maybe if I were not old enough to be his grand-pa I would still have the strength and agility to do it myself, but aging takes a toll on all of us. We do it on the side, because if I paid the marina's fees it would be about 4X more expensive. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Josh Bloom Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 11:35 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Mast Raising system Thx Lenny - I did but now I have to go do it:) I would be interested in what you do as people have somewhat different systems and I have been collecting notes.. -Josh s/v Blue Vayu -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 1:00 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 161, Issue 21 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: M23 mast raising system (Lenny) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:54:19 -0500 From: Lenny <lsmith56@cox.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 mast raising system Message-ID: <EF9BC148-C126-41D3-A3CA-92F57E64F8A0@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Josh Did you get an answer to your question? Lenny Smith On Jul 24, 2016, at 10:10 PM, Josh Bloom <josh@bloomcommercial.com> wrote:
Does anyone have a diagram that explains raising the mast on m23? Mine came with a system to raise with block and tackle but not sure how it works.
Thx!
Also what is Bob Eeg's email?
Josh
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On 07/27/2016 03:59 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Today brings a bit firmer winds, not sure how much. No white caps but 5he surface is disturbed and I'm showed 7.5 kts with current. ...As an aside, I spent about 5 minutes trimming the sails, then I locked the tiller tamer and sat on the bow for 23 minutes before I got bored.
Boy would it be nice to sail the same course and trim for even two or three minutes...haven't done that for quite a while, been sailing on inland lakes in hilly country with ever-shifting winds (even when the shifts are predictable and consistent at various places on the lake, they still are shifts, gotta keep correcting, and then there's the gusts...). Just pulled Pajarita out from a month slip/mooring in Howard Prairie reservoir (the main sailing lake in these parts, in the hills east of Ashland, OR). Was nice to have her in the water, sailed more for sure than if she was on the trailer, took out a few friends who used to sail, had lived on boats, blue water experience, etc. but hadn't been out for 5 or 10 years. One who'd never sailed on fresh water or dealt with a boat on a trailer. Lots to learn from gusty lake sailing, but I would like to get someplace with a steady moderate breeze for a while! I've only used the genoa once since I got her. cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I have no clue what I'm doing, but I furled the genny about 7 inches to balance the steering...seemed to work. Looking forward to experimenting again with that. Jazz On Jul 27, 2016 10:37 PM, "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
On 07/27/2016 03:59 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Today brings a bit firmer winds, not sure how much. No white caps but 5he surface is disturbed and I'm showed 7.5 kts with current.
...As an aside, I spent about 5
minutes trimming the sails, then I locked the tiller tamer and sat on the bow for 23 minutes before I got bored.
Boy would it be nice to sail the same course and trim for even two or three minutes...haven't done that for quite a while, been sailing on inland lakes in hilly country with ever-shifting winds (even when the shifts are predictable and consistent at various places on the lake, they still are shifts, gotta keep correcting, and then there's the gusts...).
Just pulled Pajarita out from a month slip/mooring in Howard Prairie reservoir (the main sailing lake in these parts, in the hills east of Ashland, OR). Was nice to have her in the water, sailed more for sure than if she was on the trailer, took out a few friends who used to sail, had lived on boats, blue water experience, etc. but hadn't been out for 5 or 10 years. One who'd never sailed on fresh water or dealt with a boat on a trailer. Lots to learn from gusty lake sailing, but I would like to get someplace with a steady moderate breeze for a while! I've only used the genoa once since I got her.
cheers, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Jazzy, Sailing YOUR boat is like learning to play a musical instrument. You teach each other. Tom B On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 3:01 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
I have no clue what I'm doing, but I furled the genny about 7 inches to balance the steering...seemed to work. Looking forward to experimenting again with that.
Jazz On Jul 27, 2016 10:37 PM, "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
On 07/27/2016 03:59 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Today brings a bit firmer winds, not sure how much. No white caps but 5he surface is disturbed and I'm showed 7.5 kts with current.
...As an aside, I spent about 5
minutes trimming the sails, then I locked the tiller tamer and sat on the bow for 23 minutes before I got bored.
Boy would it be nice to sail the same course and trim for even two or three minutes...haven't done that for quite a while, been sailing on inland lakes in hilly country with ever-shifting winds (even when the shifts are predictable and consistent at various places on the lake, they still are shifts, gotta keep correcting, and then there's the gusts...).
Just pulled Pajarita out from a month slip/mooring in Howard Prairie reservoir (the main sailing lake in these parts, in the hills east of Ashland, OR). Was nice to have her in the water, sailed more for sure than if she was on the trailer, took out a few friends who used to sail, had lived on boats, blue water experience, etc. but hadn't been out for 5 or 10 years. One who'd never sailed on fresh water or dealt with a boat on a trailer. Lots to learn from gusty lake sailing, but I would like to get someplace with a steady moderate breeze for a while! I've only used the genoa once since I got her.
cheers, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
On 7/28/2016 3:01 AM, Jazzy wrote: Hi Jazz, Your new girlfriend really can talk to you. You have to learn to listen to her subtle suggestions that she conveys via tiller pressure. If she doesn't like the way you are sailing; main sheeted in too much; or way past time to reef; she'll let you know. Two fingers on the tiller to hold course slowly become a firm hand hold; which then might become a two hand-hold and brace your feet on the other side of the cockpit situation as the lee rail goes under. Your girlfriend is trying to tell you; Jazz, for goodness sake reef and change down to the working jib. If you have learned to listen to her suggestions, you'll find that you are sailing upright; your coffee or beer isn't tipping over and spilling; nothing is crashing about inside the cabin; and you are back to holding your course with two fingers, which is how your girlfriend shows her appreciation for your kindness and tenderness. It's sorta like how I had to learn to put sun cream on my Admirable's back properly. The first time, as a newly wed, I put sun cream in the palms of my hands and applied it to her back. That was a No-No. The sun cream was cold. You do not put cold sun cream on a lady's warm back. I was firmly instructed to first warm it up in the palms of my hand before applying it to her warm back. Her next instruction, as I started rubbing, was: "Langsam, ... und mit gefuehl!" (Slowly and with feeling). Your girlfriend can't express her opinions verbally, but with time, you will learn to appreciate her subtle suggestions as you sail. Enjoy the learning experience. Connie
I have no clue what I'm doing, but I furled the genny about 7 inches to balance the steering...seemed to work. Looking forward to experimenting again with that.
Jazz On Jul 27, 2016 10:37 PM, "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
On 07/27/2016 03:59 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Today brings a bit firmer winds, not sure how much. No white caps but 5he surface is disturbed and I'm showed 7.5 kts with current.
...As an aside, I spent about 5
minutes trimming the sails, then I locked the tiller tamer and sat on the bow for 23 minutes before I got bored.
Boy would it be nice to sail the same course and trim for even two or three minutes...haven't done that for quite a while, been sailing on inland lakes in hilly country with ever-shifting winds (even when the shifts are predictable and consistent at various places on the lake, they still are shifts, gotta keep correcting, and then there's the gusts...).
Just pulled Pajarita out from a month slip/mooring in Howard Prairie reservoir (the main sailing lake in these parts, in the hills east of Ashland, OR). Was nice to have her in the water, sailed more for sure than if she was on the trailer, took out a few friends who used to sail, had lived on boats, blue water experience, etc. but hadn't been out for 5 or 10 years. One who'd never sailed on fresh water or dealt with a boat on a trailer. Lots to learn from gusty lake sailing, but I would like to get someplace with a steady moderate breeze for a while! I've only used the genoa once since I got her.
cheers, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I've been listening, and there's definately a conversation! I will stroke the tiller slowly, with more feeling next week! Splinters and blindness be damned! Hahaha Jazz On Jul 28, 2016 9:09 AM, "Conbert Benneck" <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/28/2016 3:01 AM, Jazzy wrote:
Hi Jazz,
Your new girlfriend really can talk to you. You have to learn to listen to her subtle suggestions that she conveys via tiller pressure. If she doesn't like the way you are sailing; main sheeted in too much; or way past time to reef; she'll let you know. Two fingers on the tiller to hold course slowly become a firm hand hold; which then might become a two hand-hold and brace your feet on the other side of the cockpit situation as the lee rail goes under.
Your girlfriend is trying to tell you; Jazz, for goodness sake reef and change down to the working jib.
If you have learned to listen to her suggestions, you'll find that you are sailing upright; your coffee or beer isn't tipping over and spilling; nothing is crashing about inside the cabin; and you are back to holding your course with two fingers, which is how your girlfriend shows her appreciation for your kindness and tenderness.
It's sorta like how I had to learn to put sun cream on my Admirable's back properly. The first time, as a newly wed, I put sun cream in the palms of my hands and applied it to her back.
That was a No-No. The sun cream was cold. You do not put cold sun cream on a lady's warm back.
I was firmly instructed to first warm it up in the palms of my hand before applying it to her warm back.
Her next instruction, as I started rubbing, was: "Langsam, ... und mit gefuehl!" (Slowly and with feeling).
Your girlfriend can't express her opinions verbally, but with time, you will learn to appreciate her subtle suggestions as you sail.
Enjoy the learning experience.
Connie
I have no clue what I'm doing, but I furled the genny about 7 inches to
balance the steering...seemed to work. Looking forward to experimenting again with that.
Jazz On Jul 27, 2016 10:37 PM, "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
On 07/27/2016 03:59 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Today brings a bit firmer winds, not sure how much. No white caps but
5he surface is disturbed and I'm showed 7.5 kts with current.
...As an aside, I spent about 5
minutes trimming the sails, then I locked the tiller tamer and sat on the
bow for 23 minutes before I got bored.
Boy would it be nice to sail the same course and trim for even two or three minutes...haven't done that for quite a while, been sailing on inland lakes in hilly country with ever-shifting winds (even when the shifts are predictable and consistent at various places on the lake, they still are shifts, gotta keep correcting, and then there's the gusts...).
Just pulled Pajarita out from a month slip/mooring in Howard Prairie reservoir (the main sailing lake in these parts, in the hills east of Ashland, OR). Was nice to have her in the water, sailed more for sure than if she was on the trailer, took out a few friends who used to sail, had lived on boats, blue water experience, etc. but hadn't been out for 5 or 10 years. One who'd never sailed on fresh water or dealt with a boat on a trailer. Lots to learn from gusty lake sailing, but I would like to get someplace with a steady moderate breeze for a while! I've only used the genoa once since I got her.
cheers, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
On 7/28/2016 12:37 AM, John Schinnerer wrote: Hi John, Sure sound familiar. That's how we started sailing, at the Rursee near the Belgian border in Germany. It was a dammed up valley with twists and turns; high hills right and left; and as you so nicely describe, lots of gusts. There were still German bunkers along the shore; part of their Siegfried Line, and at the edge of the Huertgen Forest of Battle of the Bulge fame. Years later when we were sailing from Italy to Yugoslavia, I built a wind vane autopilot. It took a bit of fiddling to get it adjusted, but when that was done it would hold a course hour for hours (unless the wind changed direction; then it had to be reset) and it was a very dependable extra hand on board. Also used it in our New England sailing, though I had then perfected sheet to tiller steering that made life in the cockpit a lot simpler and more pleasurable for the Admirable; fewer lines to get tangled in when she wanted to snooze in the cockpit. I've used a simple system on our M15 but we never went on long hauls where something more elaborate might be needed. It's one thing sailing on Lake Champlain for a few hours vs. doing a 35 NM haul from Block Island to Cuttyhunk in the open ocean. Ciao, and happy sailing Connie
On 07/27/2016 03:59 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Today brings a bit firmer winds, not sure how much. No white caps but 5he surface is disturbed and I'm showed 7.5 kts with current. ...As an aside, I spent about 5 minutes trimming the sails, then I locked the tiller tamer and sat on the bow for 23 minutes before I got bored.
Boy would it be nice to sail the same course and trim for even two or three minutes...haven't done that for quite a while, been sailing on inland lakes in hilly country with ever-shifting winds (even when the shifts are predictable and consistent at various places on the lake, they still are shifts, gotta keep correcting, and then there's the gusts...).
Just pulled Pajarita out from a month slip/mooring in Howard Prairie reservoir (the main sailing lake in these parts, in the hills east of Ashland, OR). Was nice to have her in the water, sailed more for sure than if she was on the trailer, took out a few friends who used to sail, had lived on boats, blue water experience, etc. but hadn't been out for 5 or 10 years. One who'd never sailed on fresh water or dealt with a boat on a trailer. Lots to learn from gusty lake sailing, but I would like to get someplace with a steady moderate breeze for a while! I've only used the genoa once since I got her.
cheers, John S.
John, Now that "P" is on a trailer, just 2000 miles away is protected intercoastal waters with a steady 10knot + breeze. One of the bays north of here runs NE to SW so you can sail a reach on flat waters for about 15 miles, then come about and do the same thing back. Good place to practice sail trim since the only difference in your speed is how well you tweak the sails. Fair winds, Tom B On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 12:37 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
On 07/27/2016 03:59 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Today brings a bit firmer winds, not sure how much. No white caps but 5he surface is disturbed and I'm showed 7.5 kts with current.
...As an aside, I spent about 5
minutes trimming the sails, then I locked the tiller tamer and sat on the bow for 23 minutes before I got bored.
Boy would it be nice to sail the same course and trim for even two or three minutes...haven't done that for quite a while, been sailing on inland lakes in hilly country with ever-shifting winds (even when the shifts are predictable and consistent at various places on the lake, they still are shifts, gotta keep correcting, and then there's the gusts...).
Just pulled Pajarita out from a month slip/mooring in Howard Prairie reservoir (the main sailing lake in these parts, in the hills east of Ashland, OR). Was nice to have her in the water, sailed more for sure than if she was on the trailer, took out a few friends who used to sail, had lived on boats, blue water experience, etc. but hadn't been out for 5 or 10 years. One who'd never sailed on fresh water or dealt with a boat on a trailer. Lots to learn from gusty lake sailing, but I would like to get someplace with a steady moderate breeze for a while! I've only used the genoa once since I got her.
cheers, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Niiiiiiiice! Bit of a long drive though :-) cheers, John S. On 07/28/2016 06:09 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
John, Now that "P" is on a trailer, just 2000 miles away is protected intercoastal waters with a steady 10knot + breeze. One of the bays north of here runs NE to SW so you can sail a reach on flat waters for about 15 miles, then come about and do the same thing back. Good place to practice sail trim since the only difference in your speed is how well you tweak the sails. Fair winds, Tom B
On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 12:37 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
On 07/27/2016 03:59 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Today brings a bit firmer winds, not sure how much. No white caps but 5he surface is disturbed and I'm showed 7.5 kts with current.
...As an aside, I spent about 5
minutes trimming the sails, then I locked the tiller tamer and sat on the bow for 23 minutes before I got bored.
Boy would it be nice to sail the same course and trim for even two or three minutes...haven't done that for quite a while, been sailing on inland lakes in hilly country with ever-shifting winds (even when the shifts are predictable and consistent at various places on the lake, they still are shifts, gotta keep correcting, and then there's the gusts...).
Just pulled Pajarita out from a month slip/mooring in Howard Prairie reservoir (the main sailing lake in these parts, in the hills east of Ashland, OR). Was nice to have her in the water, sailed more for sure than if she was on the trailer, took out a few friends who used to sail, had lived on boats, blue water experience, etc. but hadn't been out for 5 or 10 years. One who'd never sailed on fresh water or dealt with a boat on a trailer. Lots to learn from gusty lake sailing, but I would like to get someplace with a steady moderate breeze for a while! I've only used the genoa once since I got her.
cheers, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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