Hi Cal: I would have bought a Rhodes 22 (note spelling) myself, as they are a GREAT boat manufactured by a GREAT guy (Stan Spitzer) , but the damn things weigh 3500 pounds. The 17 is a fine substitute and probably a better heavy weather sailboat. Is your boat grey? cheers- Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: Cal Spooner [mailto:cspooner@mn.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 2:43 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Introduction Hi all, My name is Cal Spooner, and I hail from Mpls, MN. I have been lurking on this list for some time, not because I'm in the habit of lurking, but because I fell behind on the list right off.... and I hate responding to 3 month old posts, as no one knows what you are talking about anymore. But I caught up. Anyway, I purchased an '87 M15, hull #402 (Hi Connie... we're almost twins) in Sept. of 2001 from a friend who used to be on this list, Steve Alm. Steve and I play piano together for a living, and he sucker-punched me with a midnight cruise under a full moon on Lake Minnetonka (the boat's name is Moondance!) and then mentioned that he had his eye on a Rhoads 22, and that if he found one, the boat would be up for sale. The gears started turning immediately in my head... I knew he would cut me a good deal on the M15. Funny thing, a Rhoads 22 turned up in the next couple of weeks.... So, after a little wheeling and dealing, I trailered the (in wonderful condition) boat off for $3500, which I believe is a pretty good deal after reading prices on this list. It has been though some minor modifications, like the mainsail having traveler slugs attached for ease of raising/lowering, and UV covers made for the sails, and a new rudder with a handle that curves upward so it doesn't bang on your knees,with tiller extension. It has a jib downhaul and came with running lights, and a 2 HP two-stroke Yamaha motor, oars, boarding ladder, etc. I threw up a quick web page, if you would like a look at her go to http://www.visi.com/~spoon/Boat/m15.html. I put a solar panel on since and installed a porta-potty. I'm really new to all this, but I've sailed her in high wind conditions (not reefed) and most of it (with a lot of training from Steve) seems to come naturally. (My girlfriend's comment on one occasion... "Geez, we could be pulling a water skier".) Not that I'm smug... on the day in October that I pulled her out, It scared the hell out of me. Bad weather, rain and huge gusts coming from all directions put the mast horizontal a coupla times. Really humbles you. So I'm reading a lot, and subscribing to a few pertinent magazines. I may be short on sailing experience, but I'm long on mechanical know-how, and I'm really gonna have fun with fixing up this boat. I'm going to get those keel guides on the trailer first... get a second pair of reef points on the sail... then I'm going to cut out the starboard locker like Connie describes, and put catches on the lockers. And I'll bet that you could mount one of those low-profile butane stoves to one of the plywood storage covers in the cabin, and flip it upside down when you weren't using it, securing it with rotating clips. And so much more.... Well, considering that my sailing season last year consisted of about 2 months, I hope you understand my exuberance. Here in Minnesota it was below zero yesterday, and all I can see out my window is a big blue tarp, with mast sticking out both ends. It's torture, I tell ya. -- Cal Spooner M15 #402 spoon@visi.com cspooner@mn.rr.com 763.574.1482 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
At 10:58 AM -0800 3/13/02, Shawn Boles wrote:
Hi Cal:
I would have bought a Rhodes 22 (note spelling) myself, as they are a GREAT boat manufactured by a GREAT guy (Stan Spitzer) , but the damn things weigh 3500 pounds. The 17 is a fine substitute and probably a better heavy weather sailboat. Is your boat grey?
cheers- Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978)
No, she's white/blue trim. I like the Rhoads 22 but I can't get over the minuscule (relatively speaking) mainsail and the HUGE genoa jib (just guessing, but it's gotta be a 180) that is so large that you have to go forward and walk it around the shrouds when tacking (or it gets caught), just when you really want to leave the helm. It has a plastic window cut into the bottom so you can see where you're going, as it covers your entire range of view on one side, and that means you have to steer from the high side, or you can't see much (you still can't). And the jib sheets are large, long, and all over the place, and you have to have your winch handle ready to close haul her. So on a close reach, having to tack often, she's somewhat a pain. But on a beam or broad reach or while running she's a joy. I love the way the mainsail rolls out of the mast (the jib rolls out as well) and you can take it out in anything, and give yourself just as much sail as you want. It also has the combo keel like the Montgomerys. With the 3500 pounds in the water, I haven't seen much in the way of weather that could rock this boat. I don't know much about the M17, but in a storm, I would bet on the Rhoads. It seems better suited to coastal or great lake cruising than sailing our smaller Minnesota lakes... all 10,000 of them. Steve owns the boat along with his wife, Mary Ann, and a friend, Judy, who has done quite a bit of global cruising on a trimaran. They have a number of senior, overweight, or disabled friends and wanted something comfortable and rock solid in the water, as the M15 tends to be a bit spunky at times during weird weather. The boat has a permanent slip on Minnetonka, so they didn't care about the weight of the boat... it hits the trailer once a year for a total of about 3 miles. -- Cal Spooner spoon@visi.com cspooner@mn.rr.com 763-574-1482
"They have a number of senior, overweight, or disabled friends and wanted something comfortable and rock solid in the water The boat has a permanent slip on Minnetonka, so they didn't care about the weight of the boat" I would have recommended a Flicka 20' . . . The one I have for sale! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cal Spooner" <cspooner@mn.rr.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:36 PM Subject: M_Boats: Introduction At 10:58 AM -0800 3/13/02, Shawn Boles wrote: Hi Cal: I would have bought a Rhodes 22 (note spelling) myself, as they are a GREAT boat manufactured by a GREAT guy (Stan Spitzer) , but the damn things weigh 3500 pounds. The 17 is a fine substitute and probably a better heavy weather sailboat. Is your boat grey? cheers- Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) No, she's white/blue trim. I like the Rhoads 22 but I can't get over the minuscule (relatively speaking) mainsail and the HUGE genoa jib (just guessing, but it's gotta be a 180) that is so large that you have to go forward and walk it around the shrouds when tacking (or it gets caught), just when you really want to leave the helm. It has a plastic window cut into the bottom so you can see where you're going, as it covers your entire range of view on one side, and that means you have to steer from the high side, or you can't see much (you still can't). And the jib sheets are large, long, and all over the place, and you have to have your winch handle ready to close haul her. So on a close reach, having to tack often, she's somewhat a pain. But on a beam or broad reach or while running she's a joy. I love the way the mainsail rolls out of the mast (the jib rolls out as well) and you can take it out in anything, and give yourself just as much sail as you want. It also has the combo keel like the Montgomerys. With the 3500 pounds in the water, I haven't seen much in the way of weather that could rock this boat. I don't know much about the M17, but in a storm, I would bet on the Rhoads. It seems better suited to coastal or great lake cruising than sailing our smaller Minnesota lakes... all 10,000 of them. Steve owns the boat along with his wife, Mary Ann, and a friend, Judy, who has done quite a bit of global cruising on a trimaran. They have a number of senior, overweight, or disabled friends and wanted something comfortable and rock solid in the water, as the M15 tends to be a bit spunky at times during weird weather. The boat has a permanent slip on Minnetonka, so they didn't care about the weight of the boat... it hits the trailer once a year for a total of about 3 miles. -- Cal Spooner spoon@visi.com cspooner@mn.rr.com 763-574-1482 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
At 9:48 PM -0500 3/13/02, Honshells wrote:
"They have a number of senior, overweight, or disabled friends and wanted something comfortable and rock solid in the water
The boat has a permanent slip on Minnetonka, so they didn't care about the weight of the boat"
I would have recommended a Flicka 20' . . . The one I have for sale!
Your point of view constitutes a case of conflicting interests. You may be right.... But I wouldn't know a Flicka 20' from a Ford Explorer. -- Cal Spooner M15 #402 spoon@visi.com cspooner@mn.rr.com 763.574.1482
Cal, Welcome aboard! The Montgomery is about as good as it gets in a 15-17 foot sailboat. The Flick 20' was designed by Bruce Bingham and is the biggest little cruiser I've ever seen. It is a full keel, full standing headroom, go anywhere 5,000 pound pocket cruiser built by Pacific Seacraft. Although it is trailerable, I wouldn't want to pull it with anything smaller than a Mack truck. I watched the first Pacific Seacraft Flicka being removed from its mold. It was available at the Long Beach In The Water Boat Show in the late 70's for the introductory price of $10,000. But, of course, I couldn't afford it then either... Joe Kidd M15 #207 "Poco A Poco"
Lest my other transmission didn't go through (I haven't received it back yet), my write-up about the Flicka, similar to Joe's, was: Small Craft Advisor magazine refers to the bullet-proof, globe-girdling, 20' Bruce-Bingham-designed and Pacific-Seacraft built Flicka as "Her Majesty, the Flicka". She's the best-built, best looking and most versatile 20-footer on the planet. From her teak bowsprit, along her sweet shear to her wineglass transom with aft-hung rudder, to know her is to love her. Visit: http://www.coslink.net/personal/flickafriends/mainpage/index.html and http://home.att.net/~seagypsy/ and http://www.pacificseacraft.com/cgi-bin/sitenav.php?0019 I'm not especially actively trying to sell my Flicka, I'm just so enthused about Flickas I want to spread the gospel! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Kidd" <jk@yosemite.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:47 AM Subject: M_Boats: Introduction Cal, Welcome aboard! The Montgomery is about as good as it gets in a 15-17 foot sailboat. The Flick 20' was designed by Bruce Bingham and is the biggest little cruiser I've ever seen. It is a full keel, full standing headroom, go anywhere 5,000 pound pocket cruiser built by Pacific Seacraft. Although it is trailerable, I wouldn't want to pull it with anything smaller than a Mack truck. I watched the first Pacific Seacraft Flicka being removed from its mold. It was available at the Long Beach In The Water Boat Show in the late 70's for the introductory price of $10,000. But, of course, I couldn't afford it then either... Joe Kidd M15 #207 "Poco A Poco"
At 11:47 PM -0800 3/14/02, Joe Kidd wrote:
Cal,
Welcome aboard! The Montgomery is about as good as it gets in a 15-17 foot sailboat. The Flick 20' was designed by Bruce Bingham and is the biggest little cruiser I've ever seen. It is a full keel, full standing headroom, go anywhere 5,000 pound pocket cruiser built by Pacific Seacraft. Although it is trailerable, I wouldn't want to pull it with anything smaller than a Mack truck. I watched the first Pacific Seacraft Flicka being removed from its mold. It was available at the Long Beach In The Water Boat Show in the late 70's for the introductory price of $10,000. But, of course, I couldn't afford it then either...
Joe Kidd M15 #207 "Poco A Poco"
Thanks Joe. I have received quite an education on the Flicka since my remarks were posted. But I still have yet to see one up close, or, better yet sail on one. They sound like wonderful boats. -- Cal Spooner M15 #402 spoon@visi.com cspooner@mn.rr.com 763.574.1482
Small Craft Advisor magazine refers to the bullet-proof, globe-girdling, 20' Bruce-Bingham-designed and Pacific-Seacraft built Flicka as "Her Majesty, the Flicka". She's the best-built, best looking and most versatile 20-footer on the planet. From her teak bowsprit, along her sweet shear to her wineglass transom with aft-hung rudder, to know her is to love her. Visit: http://www.coslink.net/personal/flickafriends/mainpage/index.html and http://home.att.net/~seagypsy/ and http://www.pacificseacraft.com/cgi-bin/sitenav.php?0019 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cal Spooner" <cspooner@mn.rr.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 5:45 AM Subject: M_Boats: Introduction At 9:48 PM -0500 3/13/02, Honshells wrote: "They have a number of senior, overweight, or disabled friends and wanted something comfortable and rock solid in the water The boat has a permanent slip on Minnetonka, so they didn't care about the weight of the boat" I would have recommended a Flicka 20' . . . The one I have for sale! Your point of view constitutes a case of conflicting interests. You may be right.... But I wouldn't know a Flicka 20' from a Ford Explorer. -- Cal Spooner M15 #402 spoon@visi.com cspooner@mn.rr.com 763.574.1482
At 10:05 PM -0500 3/14/02, Honshells wrote:
Small Craft Advisor magazine refers to the bullet-proof, globe-girdling, 20' Bruce-Bingham-designed and Pacific-Seacraft built Flicka as "Her Majesty, the Flicka". She's the best-built, best looking and most versatile 20-footer on the planet. From her teak bowsprit, along her sweet shear to her wineglass transom with aft-hung rudder, to know her is to love her. Visit:
http://www.coslink.net/personal/flickafriends/mainpage/index.html
and
http://home.att.net/~seagypsy/
and
Thanks. I have received quite an education on the Flicka since my remarks were posted. But I still have yet to see one up close, or, better yet sail on one. They sound like wonderful boats. -- Cal Spooner spoon@visi.com cspooner@mn.rr.com 763-574-1482
The Rhodes 22s aren't related at all to the Stuart Marine Rhodes boats (formerly O'Day, subject of a recent "Sailing" magazine article), are they? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Boles" <shawn@ori.org> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: M_Boats: Introduction Hi Cal: I would have bought a Rhodes 22 (note spelling) myself, as they are a GREAT boat manufactured by a GREAT guy (Stan Spitzer) , but the damn things weigh 3500 pounds. The 17 is a fine substitute and probably a better heavy weather sailboat. Is your boat grey? cheers- Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: Cal Spooner [mailto:cspooner@mn.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 2:43 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Introduction Hi all, My name is Cal Spooner, and I hail from Mpls, MN. I have been lurking on this list for some time, not because I'm in the habit of lurking, but because I fell behind on the list right off.... and I hate responding to 3 month old posts, as no one knows what you are talking about anymore. But I caught up. Anyway, I purchased an '87 M15, hull #402 (Hi Connie... we're almost twins) in Sept. of 2001 from a friend who used to be on this list, Steve Alm. Steve and I play piano together for a living, and he sucker-punched me with a midnight cruise under a full moon on Lake Minnetonka (the boat's name is Moondance!) and then mentioned that he had his eye on a Rhoads 22, and that if he found one, the boat would be up for sale. The gears started turning immediately in my head... I knew he would cut me a good deal on the M15. Funny thing, a Rhoads 22 turned up in the next couple of weeks.... So, after a little wheeling and dealing, I trailered the (in wonderful condition) boat off for $3500, which I believe is a pretty good deal after reading prices on this list. It has been though some minor modifications, like the mainsail having traveler slugs attached for ease of raising/lowering, and UV covers made for the sails, and a new rudder with a handle that curves upward so it doesn't bang on your knees,with tiller extension. It has a jib downhaul and came with running lights, and a 2 HP two-stroke Yamaha motor, oars, boarding ladder, etc. I threw up a quick web page, if you would like a look at her go to http://www.visi.com/~spoon/Boat/m15.html. I put a solar panel on since and installed a porta-potty. I'm really new to all this, but I've sailed her in high wind conditions (not reefed) and most of it (with a lot of training from Steve) seems to come naturally. (My girlfriend's comment on one occasion... "Geez, we could be pulling a water skier".) Not that I'm smug... on the day in October that I pulled her out, It scared the hell out of me. Bad weather, rain and huge gusts coming from all directions put the mast horizontal a coupla times. Really humbles you. So I'm reading a lot, and subscribing to a few pertinent magazines. I may be short on sailing experience, but I'm long on mechanical know-how, and I'm really gonna have fun with fixing up this boat. I'm going to get those keel guides on the trailer first... get a second pair of reef points on the sail... then I'm going to cut out the starboard locker like Connie describes, and put catches on the lockers. And I'll bet that you could mount one of those low-profile butane stoves to one of the plywood storage covers in the cabin, and flip it upside down when you weren't using it, securing it with rotating clips. And so much more.... Well, considering that my sailing season last year consisted of about 2 months, I hope you understand my exuberance. Here in Minnesota it was below zero yesterday, and all I can see out my window is a big blue tarp, with mast sticking out both ends. It's torture, I tell ya. -- Cal Spooner M15 #402 spoon@visi.com cspooner@mn.rr.com 763.574.1482 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
At 9:43 PM -0500 3/13/02, Honshells wrote:
The Rhodes 22s aren't related at all to the Stuart Marine Rhodes boats (formerly O'Day, subject of a recent "Sailing" magazine article), are they?
Damned if I know. Anyone? I think I have heard the names mentioned in the same breath. -- Cal Spooner M15 #402 spoon@visi.com cspooner@mn.rr.com 763.574.1482
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