RE: M_Boats: towing "Really"
We towed our M15 to the bay area two years ago for the Cruiser Challenge in Oakland with a '91 4WD Toyota. It's a 5-speed, but I kept it in 4th so as not to lug the engine. It won't leap long hills in a single bound, but if you're patient, you'll get there. Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle M15/345 -- Chukar Sandpoint, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: rc2222@postoffice.pacbell.net [mailto:rc2222@postoffice.pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 7:43 AM To: Montgomery Boats Subject: M_Boats: towing "Really" Regarding manual vs. automatic on a small truck: How would a small truck with manual transmission perform vs one with an automatic when towing my M15 from the San Francisco Bay area to the Sierra Nevadas, up and down steep grades at elevations over 10,000 feet on hot summer days? Purchasing a small used truck with a manual transmission is significantly less expensive than one with an automatic. Past postings on this list had convinced me to go with an automatic but now I'm beginning to think otherwise. I need some good advice for mountain towing with a small truck. Thanks, Rich Cottrell M15 "Really" Menlo Park _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Yeh, but Tom never gets above 30 mph! Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith@itron.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 8:19 AM Subject: RE: M_Boats: towing "Really"
We towed our M15 to the bay area two years ago for the Cruiser Challenge in Oakland with a '91 4WD Toyota. It's a 5-speed, but I kept it in 4th so as not to lug the engine. It won't leap long hills in a single bound, but if you're patient, you'll get there.
Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle M15/345 -- Chukar Sandpoint, Idaho
-----Original Message----- From: rc2222@postoffice.pacbell.net [mailto:rc2222@postoffice.pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 7:43 AM To: Montgomery Boats Subject: M_Boats: towing "Really"
Regarding manual vs. automatic on a small truck:
How would a small truck with manual transmission perform vs one with an automatic when towing my M15 from the San Francisco Bay area to the Sierra Nevadas, up and down steep grades at elevations over 10,000 feet on hot summer days?
Purchasing a small used truck with a manual transmission is significantly less expensive than one with an automatic. Past postings on this list had convinced me to go with an automatic but now I'm beginning to think otherwise. I need some good advice for mountain towing with a small truck.
Thanks,
Rich Cottrell M15 "Really" Menlo Park
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We pulled our M15 with an '86 Toyota 4WD four cylinder/5spd, and it did just fine. Our grandest trip was from Portland to McCall, ID and then over White Bird Pass to Priest Lake. White Bird was in 2nd, after losing some speed behind a truck, but it did just fine. We now use a '96 T100 with V6 and auto. Much nicer. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith@itron.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 8:19 AM Subject: RE: M_Boats: towing "Really" We towed our M15 to the bay area two years ago for the Cruiser Challenge in Oakland with a '91 4WD Toyota. It's a 5-speed, but I kept it in 4th so as not to lug the engine. It won't leap long hills in a single bound, but if you're patient, you'll get there. Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle M15/345 -- Chukar Sandpoint, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: rc2222@postoffice.pacbell.net [mailto:rc2222@postoffice.pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 7:43 AM To: Montgomery Boats Subject: M_Boats: towing "Really" Regarding manual vs. automatic on a small truck: How would a small truck with manual transmission perform vs one with an automatic when towing my M15 from the San Francisco Bay area to the Sierra Nevadas, up and down steep grades at elevations over 10,000 feet on hot summer days? Purchasing a small used truck with a manual transmission is significantly less expensive than one with an automatic. Past postings on this list had convinced me to go with an automatic but now I'm beginning to think otherwise. I need some good advice for mountain towing with a small truck. Thanks, Rich Cottrell M15 "Really" Menlo Park _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Thanks to everyone for their input on towing: The experiential information is invaluable! This past Saturday I talked to a Toyota dealer who told me that the rear-wheel-drive Tacoma's (or any truck's) towing capacity depends on torque and that the 4-cylinder Tacoma has the same towing capacity as the 6-cylinder. I'm incredulous, but I haven't been able to verify what he told me on the internet because I'm having dial-up trouble.
Now that I've reopened the towing can of worms, I'd like to open another: I'd like to know where the experienced Monty sailors store their anchors and how they deploy them, carrying anchor and rode forward without stumbling or scratching the deck. I would think that many would want to mount their anchors on the bow, but offhand I can't remember seeing pics of Montys with bow-mounted anchors (I've seen the factory-option roller/sprits: A very nice addition). I've been mulling over whether I could install a small chain-locker forward without intruding too much on foot space in the vee (I was thinking of something shallow that my feet could fit under, with a drain hose into the bilge). I think I should carry both a Danforth (what I have now) and a Bruce, neither of which seems easy to handle gracefully. Do the experienced among you have ersatz containers for wet rope and messy anchors? Thanks!
I carry a Bruce and a Danforth knockoff (each with chain and rode) in a plastic basket in the port cockpit locker. It is a simple procedure to set an anchor from the cockpit and walk the rode forward after the anchor is set and the boat is stable. Usually, especially when I overnight at local lakes, I set an anchor aft from the stern and run a line from the bow to the shore. Since I usually sail single-handed, deploying or weighing the anchor, controlling the sails and operating the outboard from the cockpit helps keep everything manageable. Joe Kidd M15 #207 "Poco a Poco"
Thanks, Joe. Do you use bow chocs? --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Kidd" <jk@yosemite.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 9:17 PM Subject: Anchoring I carry a Bruce and a Danforth knockoff (each with chain and rode) in a plastic basket in the port cockpit locker. It is a simple procedure to set an anchor from the cockpit and walk the rode forward after the anchor is set and the boat is stable. Usually, especially when I overnight at local lakes, I set an anchor aft from the stern and run a line from the bow to the shore. Since I usually sail single-handed, deploying or weighing the anchor, controlling the sails and operating the outboard from the cockpit helps keep everything manageable. Joe Kidd M15 #207 "Poco a Poco"
Craig, My M15 has chocks on each side of the deck at the bow but none aft. At the transom, I attach the anchor rode to one of the mooring cleats. Joe Kidd M15 #207 "Poco a Poco"
Thanks, Joe. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Kidd" <jk@yosemite.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:32 AM Subject: Anchoring Craig, My M15 has chocks on each side of the deck at the bow but none aft. At the transom, I attach the anchor rode to one of the mooring cleats. Joe Kidd M15 #207 "Poco a Poco"
On our M17 we have been carrying my Danforth anchor in a holder that mounts on the bow pulpit (West Marine model # 122846 $26.99 catalog pg 679) with the chain and rode in a nylon mesh bag that secured with small line to the pulpit also. I may have to modify or abandon that arrangement when I convert to roller furling next week! I also carry a Fortress anchor/rode combination in the port cockpit locker. It is quite convenient to drop the anchor from the stern and then walk the rode forward to the bow once the sails are doused, etc. Mark Dvorscak M17 #400 GRACE
Thanks, Mark. Please keep me posted on whether you have to move your anchor holder to install your roller furling: I'm considering the roller-furling addition this spring, also. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roberta & Mark Dvorscak" <edarts@rosenet.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:19 AM Subject: Anchoring On our M17 we have been carrying my Danforth anchor in a holder that mounts on the bow pulpit (West Marine model # 122846 $26.99 catalog pg 679) with the chain and rode in a nylon mesh bag that secured with small line to the pulpit also. I may have to modify or abandon that arrangement when I convert to roller furling next week! I also carry a Fortress anchor/rode combination in the port cockpit locker. It is quite convenient to drop the anchor from the stern and then walk the rode forward to the bow once the sails are doused, etc. Mark Dvorscak M17 #400 GRACE _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
I keep the anchor in the port-side bilge locker, accessed thru the cockpit seat hatch, and anchor the boat from the cockp0it, where I have control of the tiller, then walk the line forward to cleat it off. I pull the anchor the same way, dropping the chain right in the locker. I never liked hanging the anchor on the pulpit on a boat as small as a 17 because of an aversion to weight aloft. I keep the anchor and chain in the bilge locker where it becomes ballast. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 5:51 PM Subject: M_Boats: Anchoring
Now that I've reopened the towing can of worms, I'd like to open another: I'd like to know where the experienced Monty sailors store their anchors
and
how they deploy them, carrying anchor and rode forward without stumbling or scratching the deck. I would think that many would want to mount their anchors on the bow, but offhand I can't remember seeing pics of Montys with bow-mounted anchors (I've seen the factory-option roller/sprits: A very nice addition). I've been mulling over whether I could install a small chain-locker forward without intruding too much on foot space in the vee (I was thinking of something shallow that my feet could fit under, with a drain hose into the bilge). I think I should carry both a Danforth (what I have now) and a Bruce, neither of which seems easy to handle gracefully. Do the experienced among you have ersatz containers for wet rope and messy anchors?
Thanks!
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Sounds simple and sensible, Jerry, thanks. I understand your point about the anchor on the pulpit. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Mongomery" <jmbn@innercite.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:48 PM Subject: Anchoring I keep the anchor in the port-side bilge locker, accessed thru the cockpit seat hatch, and anchor the boat from the cockp0it, where I have control of the tiller, then walk the line forward to cleat it off. I pull the anchor the same way, dropping the chain right in the locker. I never liked hanging the anchor on the pulpit on a boat as small as a 17 because of an aversion to weight aloft. I keep the anchor and chain in the bilge locker where it becomes ballast. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 5:51 PM Subject: Anchoring
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