Gary, Thanks for the input, and that brings up another decision - should I go for a 135% or a 150%? The price difference is pretty small, and the 150% would give better sailing in the Mid-Atlantic doldrums of July and August. I had thought that the limit of effective reefing was around a 25% reduction, which, starting with a 150% still leaves a lot of sail up. I'm hoping to use the sail over a wide range of conditions single-handing, so it seemed that the 135% might be the best compromise, but maybe I need to rethink it. Thanks, Rick ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000...)
Rick: I went with the 150 because I sail in a lot of light summer air too. Elliot-Pattinson made me a good sail. I had the foam added because we forgot it in the initial order. I also had the sun shield (I guess you call it that) to protect the sail when it's rolled up. --Gary On Feb 7, 2008, at 5:12 PM, JDavies104@aol.com wrote:
Gary,
Thanks for the input, and that brings up another decision - should I go for a 135% or a 150%? The price difference is pretty small, and the 150% would give better sailing in the Mid-Atlantic doldrums of July and August. I had thought that the limit of effective reefing was around a 25% reduction, which, starting with a 150% still leaves a lot of sail up. I'm hoping to use the sail over a wide range of conditions single-handing, so it seemed that the 135% might be the best compromise, but maybe I need to rethink it.
Thanks,
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Gary, Got a question on CDI furlers. I think a furler is a great idea for boats kept in a slip or stored mast-up on a trailer, but I would like the option of removing the setup for long trips with lots of stops at different lakes. Seems like this would save wear and tear on my body and the equipment. I bought my boat with the furler installed, so I am wondering if the headstay can be removed by taking off the anti-rotation strap, removing the drum cover and turnbuckle, and slipping the stay out the top of the luff extrusion. According to my reasoning (= wishful thinking), the sail would be left furled on the luff during this procedure, and the stay could be easily re-inserted from the top to activate the rig again. Am I missing anything? Thanks for any advice you can offer. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:38 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Furler jib Rick: I went with the 150 because I sail in a lot of light summer air too. Elliot-Pattinson made me a good sail. I had the foam added because we forgot it in the initial order. I also had the sun shield (I guess you call it that) to protect the sail when it's rolled up. --Gary On Feb 7, 2008, at 5:12 PM, JDavies104@aol.com wrote:
Gary,
Thanks for the input, and that brings up another decision - should I go for a 135% or a 150%? The price difference is pretty small, and the 150% would give better sailing in the Mid-Atlantic doldrums of July and August. I had thought that the limit of effective reefing was around a 25% reduction, which, starting with a 150% still leaves a lot of sail up. I'm hoping to use the sail over a wide range of conditions single-handing, so it seemed that the 135% might be the best compromise, but maybe I need to rethink it.
Thanks,
Rick
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I came accross a comment on roller reefing sail size at http://www.yachtworks.net/Store/headsail_furling.htm and thought I would share it for the discussion. " Sail Selection One area of caution: we think you can effectively reduce your headsail area by about 30%-from a 130% to a 100%-but not much further. We've all seen ads in sailing magazines which imply that your 150% genoa can be rolled into a storm jib, but that is nonsense. If you sail in an area where the prevailing winds are light in one season and heavy in another, you'll probably want two furling headsails: a 135% and a 110%, for example. " Thanks Doug Kelch Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote: Gary, Got a question on CDI furlers. I think a furler is a great idea for boats kept in a slip or stored mast-up on a trailer, but I would like the option of removing the setup for long trips with lots of stops at different lakes. Seems like this would save wear and tear on my body and the equipment. I bought my boat with the furler installed, so I am wondering if the headstay can be removed by taking off the anti-rotation strap, removing the drum cover and turnbuckle, and slipping the stay out the top of the luff extrusion. According to my reasoning (= wishful thinking), the sail would be left furled on the luff during this procedure, and the stay could be easily re-inserted from the top to activate the rig again. Am I missing anything? Thanks for any advice you can offer. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:38 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Furler jib Rick: I went with the 150 because I sail in a lot of light summer air too. Elliot-Pattinson made me a good sail. I had the foam added because we forgot it in the initial order. I also had the sun shield (I guess you call it that) to protect the sail when it's rolled up. --Gary On Feb 7, 2008, at 5:12 PM, JDavies104@aol.com wrote:
Gary,
Thanks for the input, and that brings up another decision - should I go for a 135% or a 150%? The price difference is pretty small, and the 150% would give better sailing in the Mid-Atlantic doldrums of July and August. I had thought that the limit of effective reefing was around a 25% reduction, which, starting with a 150% still leaves a lot of sail up. I'm hoping to use the sail over a wide range of conditions single-handing, so it seemed that the 135% might be the best compromise, but maybe I need to rethink it.
Thanks,
Rick
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Doug, That's a good article, which pretty much summarizes in one place all the reading I've done lately in deciding on the best genoa for my (as yet unmounted) CDI furler for my M-17.? I finally settled on an EP 135% with a foam insert, which I plan to use full-sail most of the time, but with the ability to reef down to around 110% and still sail effectively. The reefed-down size matches the sail (109%) I have used regularly last season, and which, with a single reef in the main, will handle a fair amount of wind.? I will also probably eventually have the 109 fitted to the furler so I'll have the options recommended in the article. I keep my boat on the trailer, mast up, except for what I expect will be occasional trailing expeditions away from the home marina.? For trailing, I envision either leaving the sail on the furler, which most people seem to do, or, if it makes the mast too heavy for easy handling, taking off just the sail.? I believe (without experience to back it up) that removing the foil on any kind of regular basis would be more than I would like to take on.? For sailing an M-17 if the mast has to be put up for each launch, I would (as a well-aged, mostly single-hander) seriously reconsider mounting a furler at all. Rick -----Original Message----- From: Doug Kelch To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 6:36 pm Subject: RE: M_Boats: Furler jib - sail size? I came accross a comment on roller reefing sail size at http://www.yachtworks.net/Store/headsail_furling.htm and thought I would share it for the discussion. " Sail Selection One area of caution: we think you can effectively reduce your headsail area by about 30%-from a 130% to a 100%-but not much further. We've all seen ads in sailing magazines which imply that your 150% genoa can be rolled into a storm jib, but that is nonsense. If you sail in an area where the prevailing winds are light in one season and heavy in another, you'll probably want two furling headsails: a 135% and a 110%, for example. " Thanks Doug Kelch Tom Jenkins tjenk@gte.net> wrote: Gary, Got a question on CDI furlers. I think a furler is a great idea for boats kept in a slip or stored mast-up on a trailer, but I would like the option of removing the setup for long trips with lots of stops at different lakes. Seems like this would save wear and tear on my body and the equipment. I bought my boat with the furler installed, so I am wondering if the headstay can be removed by taking off the anti-rotation strap, removing the drum cover and turnbuckle, and slipping the stay out the top of the luff extrusion. According to my reasoning (= wishful thinking), the sail would be left furled on the luff during this procedure, and the stay could be easily re-inserted from the top to activate the rig again. Am I missing anything? Thanks for any advice you can offer. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:38 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Furler jib Rick: I went with the 150 because I sail in a lot of light summer air too. Elliot-Pattinson made me a good sail. I had the foam added because we forgot it in the initial order. I also had the sun shield (I guess you call it that) to protect the sail when it's rolled up. --Gary On Feb 7, 2008, at 5:12 PM, JDavies104@aol.com wrote: > Gary, > > Thanks for the input, and that brings up another decision - should I > go for a > 135% or a 150%? The price difference is pretty small, and the 150% > would > give better sailing in the Mid-Atlantic doldrums of July and > August. I had > thought that the limit of effective reefing was around a 25% > reduction, which, > starting with a 150% still leaves a lot of sail up. I'm hoping to > use the sail > over a wide range of conditions single-handing, so it seemed that > the 135% > might be the best compromise, but maybe I need to rethink it. > > Thanks, > > Rick > > > ************** > Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000 0002548 > ) > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
Well actually I've reefed my furling headsail down to storm jib size and I think it works pretty well. I don't expect great performance in a storm, but it gets the job done. --Gary On Feb 11, 2008, at 3:36 PM, Doug Kelch wrote:
I came accross a comment on roller reefing sail size at http://www.yachtworks.net/Store/headsail_furling.htm
and thought I would share it for the discussion.
" Sail Selection One area of caution: we think you can effectively reduce your headsail area by about 30%-from a 130% to a 100%-but not much further. We've all seen ads in sailing magazines which imply that your 150% genoa can be rolled into a storm jib, but that is nonsense. If you sail in an area where the prevailing winds are light in one season and heavy in another, you'll probably want two furling headsails: a 135% and a 110%, for example. "
Thanks
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Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote: Gary,
Got a question on CDI furlers. I think a furler is a great idea for boats kept in a slip or stored mast-up on a trailer, but I would like the option of removing the setup for long trips with lots of stops at different lakes. Seems like this would save wear and tear on my body and the equipment. I bought my boat with the furler installed, so I am wondering if the headstay can be removed by taking off the anti-rotation strap, removing the drum cover and turnbuckle, and slipping the stay out the top of the luff extrusion. According to my reasoning (= wishful thinking), the sail would be left furled on the luff during this procedure, and the stay could be easily re-inserted from the top to activate the rig again. Am I missing anything? Thanks for any advice you can offer.
Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:38 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Furler jib
Rick: I went with the 150 because I sail in a lot of light summer air too. Elliot-Pattinson made me a good sail. I had the foam added because we forgot it in the initial order. I also had the sun shield (I guess you call it that) to protect the sail when it's rolled up. --Gary On Feb 7, 2008, at 5:12 PM, JDavies104@aol.com wrote:
Gary,
Thanks for the input, and that brings up another decision - should I go for a 135% or a 150%? The price difference is pretty small, and the 150% would give better sailing in the Mid-Atlantic doldrums of July and August. I had thought that the limit of effective reefing was around a 25% reduction, which, starting with a 150% still leaves a lot of sail up. I'm hoping to use the sail over a wide range of conditions single-handing, so it seemed that the 135% might be the best compromise, but maybe I need to rethink it.
Thanks,
Rick
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Tom: Just take forestay, furler, sail and all off in one piece. That's a lot easier. I actually leave it all on and bungeed to the mast when trailering. Larry Yake has a cover (sleeve) he puts over his for trailering. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. On Feb 11, 2008, at 2:34 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
Gary,
Got a question on CDI furlers. I think a furler is a great idea for boats kept in a slip or stored mast-up on a trailer, but I would like the option of removing the setup for long trips with lots of stops at different lakes. Seems like this would save wear and tear on my body and the equipment. I bought my boat with the furler installed, so I am wondering if the headstay can be removed by taking off the anti-rotation strap, removing the drum cover and turnbuckle, and slipping the stay out the top of the luff extrusion. According to my reasoning (= wishful thinking), the sail would be left furled on the luff during this procedure, and the stay could be easily re-inserted from the top to activate the rig again. Am I missing anything? Thanks for any advice you can offer.
Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:38 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Furler jib
Rick: I went with the 150 because I sail in a lot of light summer air too. Elliot-Pattinson made me a good sail. I had the foam added because we forgot it in the initial order. I also had the sun shield (I guess you call it that) to protect the sail when it's rolled up. --Gary On Feb 7, 2008, at 5:12 PM, JDavies104@aol.com wrote:
Gary,
Thanks for the input, and that brings up another decision - should I go for a 135% or a 150%? The price difference is pretty small, and the 150% would give better sailing in the Mid-Atlantic doldrums of July and August. I had thought that the limit of effective reefing was around a 25% reduction, which, starting with a 150% still leaves a lot of sail up. I'm hoping to use the sail over a wide range of conditions single-handing, so it seemed that the 135% might be the best compromise, but maybe I need to rethink it.
Thanks,
Rick
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I would have to take the whole unit off in any case, but I wanted to remove and use the headstay for my original hank-on jib. As you are probably implying, it would be easier to have a spare headstay for a standard rig, and leave the original stay in the furler assembly. Good thinking. Tom Jenkins -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:46 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Furler jib Tom: Just take forestay, furler, sail and all off in one piece. That's a lot easier. I actually leave it all on and bungeed to the mast when trailering. Larry Yake has a cover (sleeve) he puts over his for trailering. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. On Feb 11, 2008, at 2:34 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
Gary,
Got a question on CDI furlers. I think a furler is a great idea for boats kept in a slip or stored mast-up on a trailer, but I would like the option of removing the setup for long trips with lots of stops at different lakes. Seems like this would save wear and tear on my body and the equipment. I bought my boat with the furler installed, so I am wondering if the headstay can be removed by taking off the anti-rotation strap, removing the drum cover and turnbuckle, and slipping the stay out the top of the luff extrusion. According to my reasoning (= wishful thinking), the sail would be left furled on the luff during this procedure, and the stay could be easily re-inserted from the top to activate the rig again. Am I missing anything? Thanks for any advice you can offer.
Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:38 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Furler jib
Rick: I went with the 150 because I sail in a lot of light summer air too. Elliot-Pattinson made me a good sail. I had the foam added because we forgot it in the initial order. I also had the sun shield (I guess you call it that) to protect the sail when it's rolled up. --Gary On Feb 7, 2008, at 5:12 PM, JDavies104@aol.com wrote:
Gary,
Thanks for the input, and that brings up another decision - should I go for a 135% or a 150%? The price difference is pretty small, and the 150% would give better sailing in the Mid-Atlantic doldrums of July and August. I had thought that the limit of effective reefing was around a 25% reduction, which, starting with a 150% still leaves a lot of sail up. I'm hoping to use the sail over a wide range of conditions single-handing, so it seemed that the 135% might be the best compromise, but maybe I need to rethink it.
Thanks,
Rick
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