Bill I would like to use the down-haul on my M15. Down the road when our paths cross I can take a look at yours and write down just what I need to do this and see how its set up. Yes, I hope to take a sailing class in 2005. I'm laughing at myself Bill! Thank you for your help. Fair winds Bud M15 #500 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'