Any skippers have ideas for a small dingy that I can carry on my M15? Just need to row from the anchorage to the dock approx 50 yards. Captain ePoohJim skipper sailing vessel Pelican M15
Jim, An M17 is similar in size, so this might apply. We use a Sevylor Tahiti inflatable kayak that we pump up across the cockpit. We carry two adults and a dog to shore, often well over 50 yards, and tie the craft alongside at night. Easy to paddle as inflatables go, and pretty inexpensive online. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla On Dec 17, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Jim Sadler wrote:
Any skippers have ideas for a small dingy that I can carry on my M15? Just need to row from the anchorage to the dock approx 50 yards.
Captain ePoohJim skipper sailing vessel Pelican M15
I have tried inflatable kayaks and they work well but are hard to get in and out of. I have wanted to try the 6 Foot Origami but have not. It would fit in the cabin while sailing and along the deck at anchor. http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/benjamin/origami/index.htm The Origami is also on the wooden widget sight which offers other alternatives - the folding fliptail and the 5 ft deck boat. http://www.woodenwidget.com/vids.htm Let me know what you decide on doing. Thanks Doug Kelch On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com>wrote:
Any skippers have ideas for a small dingy that I can carry on my M15? Just need to row from the anchorage to the dock approx 50 yards.
Captain ePoohJim skipper sailing vessel Pelican M15
The Oragami looks like a very cool option, thanks Doug! Has anyone built and tried this option? -----Original Message----- From: douglas kelch <doug1kelch@gmail.com> To: Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, Dec 17, 2012 6:39 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Dingy for M15? I have tried inflatable kayaks and they work well but are hard to get in and out of. I have wanted to try the 6 Foot Origami but have not. It would fit in the cabin while sailing and along the deck at anchor. http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/benjamin/origami/index.htm The Origami is also on the wooden widget sight which offers other alternatives - the folding fliptail and the 5 ft deck boat. http://www.woodenwidget.com/vids.htm Let me know what you decide on doing. Thanks Doug Kelch On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com>wrote:
Any skippers have ideas for a small dingy that I can carry on my M15? Just need to row from the anchorage to the dock approx 50 yards.
Captain ePoohJim skipper sailing vessel Pelican M15
Just received in the mail the jan/feb '13 issue of WoodenBoat magazine. in the 'getting started in boats' section there is a nice discussion about 'dinghy towing, rowing and stowing'. if you don't subscribe check out this issue at a local bookstore - barnes & noble carry the mag from my experience. :: Dave Scobie
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com>wrote:
Any skippers have ideas for a small dingy that I can carry on my M15? Just need to row from the anchorage to the dock approx 50 yards.
Captain ePoohJim skipper sailing vessel Pelican M15
Thanks skipper I will tell my first mate to get me WoodenBoat instead of a necktie for Christmas. ePoohJim skipper sailing vessel Pelican (M15) ________________________________ From: W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 3:53 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Dingy for M15? Just received in the mail the jan/feb '13 issue of WoodenBoat magazine. in the 'getting started in boats' section there is a nice discussion about 'dinghy towing, rowing and stowing'. if you don't subscribe check out this issue at a local bookstore - barnes & noble carry the mag from my experience. :: Dave Scobie
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com>wrote:
Any skippers have ideas for a small dingy that I can carry on my M15? Just need to row from the anchorage to the dock approx 50 yards.
Captain ePoohJim skipper sailing vessel Pelican M15
I cruise a 23 foot boat and use a West Marine Roll up inflatable ( Zodiac ) It goes on foredeck. Blows up in 5 to 7 mins. I got it used for $275 and will sell for $225. I gained weight (230 plus weight of wife ). 350 lbs. Works fine but I also have 11 1/2 foot Zodiac and a 10 ft hardbottom. These shore boats all have different uses. The small boat gets us to shore. The larger ones let's us explore a 10 mile radius not having to move mainship. We cruise San Juans and Gulf Islands and North I will be at Lake Havasu City Feb 10 to 17 th. I will have the little inflatable in my van. I think it is 7 ft. Used 7 times Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Any skippers have ideas for a small dingy that I can carry on my M15? Just need to row from the anchorage to the dock approx 50 yards.
Captain ePoohJim skipper sailing vessel Pelican M15
On 18-Dec-12 12:32 PM, Bill Buller wrote: Hi Jim, Carrying a dinghy on board an M15 - except for in inflatable - is an impossibility. Before owing the M15 I needed a dinghy for my Bolger MICRO, and built a hard-chine Bolger NYMPH dinghy. The NYMPH tows easily and rows well. It is a bit on the tippy side when you first get aboard, but after sitting down, it is very stable. Bolger solved that minor problem by design the REUBENS NYMPH - a foot wider in the beam, and a much stabler platform. The NYMPH rows well with real - not itty-bitty toy oars - and I have covered miles with it on calm mornings before we could go sailing. It is also light enough to be easily car-topped. 40 years ago I tried a Zodiac inflatable, with the same ideas that you have in mind: on longer passages I could deflate it and stow it up forward, and when we got to our destination I'd haul it out; inflate it; and go exploring. But, .... - Inflatables take forever to get inflated. They also take forever to deflate. That is the minor problem. The major problem is: -They are terrible for rowing; the seating position is wrong; the take-apart oars are a joke. They have to have an outboard to get anywhere. They are wet.... So, I bought a Dwyer 7'-9" fiberglass dinghy and enjoyed it for many years, as long as we had our big boat. It rowed well; it sailed well; it was a joy to use. - I couldn't put it on the foredeck or cabin top of a 29-footer, but it towed very well. On arrival in a new port it was also instantly usable, to set a second anchor, or to row over to a friend's boat to join them for Happy Hour. Try that with your Zodiac if 15 knots of wind are still blowing in the harbor... My recommendation is a hard dinghy that you tow, and that will carry two or three people (we carried four in the Dwyer) Connie
I cruise a 23 foot boat and use a West Marine Roll up inflatable ( Zodiac ) It goes on foredeck. Blows up in 5 to 7 mins. I got it used for $275 and will sell for $225. I gained weight (230 plus weight of wife ). 350 lbs. Works fine but I also have 11 1/2 foot Zodiac and a 10 ft hardbottom. These shore boats all have different uses. The small boat gets us to shore. The larger ones let's us explore a 10 mile radius not having to move mainship. We cruise San Juans and Gulf Islands and North I will be at Lake Havasu City Feb 10 to 17 th. I will have the little inflatable in my van. I think it is 7 ft. Used 7 times
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On Dec 17, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Any skippers have ideas for a small dingy that I can carry on my M15? Just need to row from the anchorage to the dock approx 50 yards.
Captain ePoohJim skipper sailing vessel Pelican M15
Though I haven't purchased mine yet, I am of the opinion that a kayak is the best 'dinghy' for our small boats. Having watched others the reasons for a kayak are - * light * low drag * easy to put on roof of tow vehicle -- ie, light * quick and easy to paddle * put a full-cover, different than a sprayskirt, over the cockpit area and if the kayak is rolled it will not fill full of water (also keeps out rain) I had an inflatable West Marine 'donut' type dinghy that I used on one trip ... didn't paddle well, couldn't be towed, was BIG even when compacted and took up 1/2 of v-berth or all of the foredeck. a PITA to get air out of to fit back into storage bag to put on foredeck or v-berth. Sold the 'dinghy' after the trip. A 'hardshell' dinghy is nice ... especially if you have, say, an M6.8. rows great being the most important. But a hardshell will slow the boat a LOT more than a kayak and you need to figure out a way to haul the dinghy on your tow vehicle. a hardshell will not fit on the foredeck of an M15 or M17. :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com --- On Mon, 12/17/12, Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Any skippers have ideas for a small dingy that I can carry on my M15? Just need to row from the anchorage to the dock approx 50 yards.
Captain ePoohJim skipper sailing vessel Pelican M15
Presumption here is this dinghy is for a cruising boat that will travel with the M15, and not be left at the anchorage or mooring field? Towing is far from ideal, but not many good options when your "big" boat is only 15 or 17 feet to begin with. In some worlds, an M15 IS a dinghy. This is a 10' nesting dinghy I built. Even nested, it will not fit in or on an M17. Video is of it being towed behind an M17: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n_n_z77Y-A It weighs around 90 pounds and is a planing hull that skims along on top. It may slow the boat down, but not by much. There is a 9 foot version as well. Again, this one nests, but even the one piece models could be car topped or carried in the back of a large pickup, especially so with the 9 footer. These are also large enough to haul a passenger or two and cargo if that is the goal. On Dec 18, 2012, at 11:55 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
Though I haven't purchased mine yet, I am of the opinion that a kayak is the best 'dinghy' for our small boats.
Having watched others the reasons for a kayak are -
* light * low drag * easy to put on roof of tow vehicle -- ie, light * quick and easy to paddle * put a full-cover, different than a sprayskirt, over the cockpit area and if the kayak is rolled it will not fill full of water (also keeps out rain)
I had an inflatable West Marine 'donut' type dinghy that I used on one trip ... didn't paddle well, couldn't be towed, was BIG even when compacted and took up 1/2 of v-berth or all of the foredeck. a PITA to get air out of to fit back into storage bag to put on foredeck or v-berth. Sold the 'dinghy' after the trip.
A 'hardshell' dinghy is nice ... especially if you have, say, an M6.8. rows great being the most important. But a hardshell will slow the boat a LOT more than a kayak and you need to figure out a way to haul the dinghy on your tow vehicle. a hardshell will not fit on the foredeck of an M15 or M17.
:: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Mon, 12/17/12, Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Any skippers have ideas for a small dingy that I can carry on my M15? Just need to row from the anchorage to the dock approx 50 yards.
Captain ePoohJim skipper sailing vessel Pelican M15
Thanks for all of the ideas In my case the dingy only need to carry one person. I can sail the M15(dingy) right up to the dock to load and unload passengers and provisions but the M-15 cannot stay at the dock. It must ride on anchor at night and with nobody aboard. Just need to get myself to the dock and back after setting the anchor. But I want to stow it easily without using any space or deck area. Merry Christmas skippers IpuJim skipper of sailing vessel Pelican (M-15) ________________________________ From: Howard Audsley <haudsley@tranquility.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 11:17 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Dingy for M15? Presumption here is this dinghy is for a cruising boat that will travel with the M15, and not be left at the anchorage or mooring field? Towing is far from ideal, but not many good options when your "big" boat is only 15 or 17 feet to begin with. In some worlds, an M15 IS a dinghy. This is a 10' nesting dinghy I built. Even nested, it will not fit in or on an M17. Video is of it being towed behind an M17: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n_n_z77Y-A It weighs around 90 pounds and is a planing hull that skims along on top. It may slow the boat down, but not by much. There is a 9 foot version as well. Again, this one nests, but even the one piece models could be car topped or carried in the back of a large pickup, especially so with the 9 footer. These are also large enough to haul a passenger or two and cargo if that is the goal. On Dec 18, 2012, at 11:55 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
Though I haven't purchased mine yet, I am of the opinion that a kayak is the best 'dinghy' for our small boats.
Having watched others the reasons for a kayak are -
* light * low drag * easy to put on roof of tow vehicle -- ie, light * quick and easy to paddle * put a full-cover, different than a sprayskirt, over the cockpit area and if the kayak is rolled it will not fill full of water (also keeps out rain)
I had an inflatable West Marine 'donut' type dinghy that I used on one trip ... didn't paddle well, couldn't be towed, was BIG even when compacted and took up 1/2 of v-berth or all of the foredeck. a PITA to get air out of to fit back into storage bag to put on foredeck or v-berth. Sold the 'dinghy' after the trip.
A 'hardshell' dinghy is nice ... especially if you have, say, an M6.8. rows great being the most important. But a hardshell will slow the boat a LOT more than a kayak and you need to figure out a way to haul the dinghy on your tow vehicle. a hardshell will not fit on the foredeck of an M15 or M17.
:: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Mon, 12/17/12, Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Any skippers have ideas for a small dingy that I can carry on my M15? Just need to row from the anchorage to the dock approx 50 yards.
Captain ePoohJim skipper sailing vessel Pelican M15
Jim: How about leaving the dinghy in the anchorage on the M15's anchor when sailing? this means you are not dragging the dinghy around. this also means, possibly, you can find a 'good enough' used hardshell dingy on the used 'craigslist' market. the above is what a friend does, for his fishing boat he keeps on the hook through the summer on Hood Canal (WA). this is also what the prior owners of my M17 did (SWEET PEA was on a buoy for the spring/summer/fall in Quartermaster Harbor, Vashon Island, WA, for 20 years). :: Dave Scobie --- On Tue, 12/18/12, Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Thanks for all of the ideas
In my case the dingy only need to carry one person. I can sail the M15(dingy) right up to the dock to load and unload passengers and provisions but the M-15 cannot stay at the dock. It must ride on anchor at night and with nobody aboard.
Just need to get myself to the dock and back after setting the anchor.
But I want to stow it easily without using any space or deck area.
Merry Christmas skippers
IpuJim skipper of sailing vessel Pelican (M-15)
I currently moor off a 20'r and use an M-10 for getting to and from the boat. The dink stays at the mooring when I sail and on the dock when not. I also have an 8' Walker Bay but don't use it much...but the light weight of the poly boats is very handy. The M-10 is a much better sailboat than dink...it doesn't tow worth a darn but sails like a dream. Neither of those two have great initial stability so loading from boats is more tedious than a hard chine flat bottom type. Way back I had an 8' inflatable and sold it after a few months...too much hassle and time to inflate/deflate and not really durable compared to hard dinks. However, I do keep a spare "mini" inflatable (like the West Marine) for emergencies. It stows in a bag but like others said, even the small inflatables take a good bit of storage space if you want to stow onboard. Two (on different boats) of the best and practical dinks I have owned were Sportyaks...used and cruised them with about 3 years of daily use. They cannot be beat for initial stability and are lightweight poly (55lbs).They tow with much less resistance than anything else you will ever compare to. They are real ugly though. My future plan is buying another (the 3rd one) one for crusing the Bahamas in my 20'r.This is the ideal dink for an M-15 in my opinion.. I will say this about kayaks for dinks...try it before laying down your cash. They aren't easy to get in or off from docks or boats and plan on having a wet butt with them (even wetter with inflatables). I've been actively kayaking for about 20 yrs (had 5 but now down to 2) and the worst dink to me is a kayak...they don't make my dink list in any way. Bill P. in Fl -----Original Message----- From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:31 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Dingy for M15? Thanks for all of the ideas In my case the dingy only need to carry one person. I can sail the M15(dingy) right up to the dock to load and unload passengers and provisions but the M-15 cannot stay at the dock. It must ride on anchor at night and with nobody aboard. Just need to get myself to the dock and back after setting the anchor. But I want to stow it easily without using any space or deck area. Merry Christmas skippers IpuJim skipper of sailing vessel Pelican (M-15) ________________________________ From: Howard Audsley <haudsley@tranquility.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 11:17 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Dingy for M15? Presumption here is this dinghy is for a cruising boat that will travel with the M15, and not be left at the anchorage or mooring field? Towing is far from ideal, but not many good options when your "big" boat is only 15 or 17 feet to begin with. In some worlds, an M15 IS a dinghy. This is a 10' nesting dinghy I built. Even nested, it will not fit in or on an M17. Video is of it being towed behind an M17: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n_n_z77Y-A It weighs around 90 pounds and is a planing hull that skims along on top. It may slow the boat down, but not by much. There is a 9 foot version as well. Again, this one nests, but even the one piece models could be car topped or carried in the back of a large pickup, especially so with the 9 footer. These are also large enough to haul a passenger or two and cargo if that is the goal. On Dec 18, 2012, at 11:55 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
Though I haven't purchased mine yet, I am of the opinion that a kayak is the best 'dinghy' for our small boats.
Having watched others the reasons for a kayak are -
* light * low drag * easy to put on roof of tow vehicle -- ie, light * quick and easy to paddle * put a full-cover, different than a sprayskirt, over the cockpit area and if the kayak is rolled it will not fill full of water (also keeps out rain)
I had an inflatable West Marine 'donut' type dinghy that I used on one trip ... didn't paddle well, couldn't be towed, was BIG even when compacted and took up 1/2 of v-berth or all of the foredeck. a PITA to get air out of to fit back into storage bag to put on foredeck or v-berth. Sold the 'dinghy' after the trip.
A 'hardshell' dinghy is nice ... especially if you have, say, an M6.8. rows great being the most important. But a hardshell will slow the boat a LOT more than a kayak and you need to figure out a way to haul the dinghy on your tow vehicle. a hardshell will not fit on the foredeck of an M15 or M17.
:: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Mon, 12/17/12, Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Any skippers have ideas for a small dingy that I can carry on my M15? Just need to row from the anchorage to the dock approx 50 yards.
Captain ePoohJim skipper sailing vessel Pelican M15
In some worlds, an M15 IS a dinghy.
lol ... a few time when cruising on my M15 I did tie up to the 'dinghy dock' to use the head or make a quick run to a grocery store. :: Dave Scobie --- On Tue, 12/18/12, Howard Audsley <haudsley@tranquility.net> wrote:
Presumption here is this dinghy is for a cruising boat that will travel with the M15, and not be left at the anchorage or mooring field? Towing is far from ideal, but not many good options when your "big" boat is only 15 or 17 feet to begin with. In some worlds, an M15 IS a dinghy.
This is a 10' nesting dinghy I built. Even nested, it will not fit in or on an M17. Video is of it being towed behind an M17:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n_n_z77Y-A
It weighs around 90 pounds and is a planing hull that skims along on top. It may slow the boat down, but not by much. There is a 9 foot version as well. Again, this one nests, but even the one piece models could be car topped or carried in the back of a large pickup, especially so with the 9 footer. These are also large enough to haul a passenger or two and cargo if that is the goal.
--- On Mon, 12/17/12, Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com>
wrote:
Any skippers have ideas for a small dingy that I can carry on my M15? Just need
to row from
the anchorage to the dock approx 50 yards.
Captain ePoohJim skipper sailing vessel Pelican M15
I thought our little boats WERE dingies!! Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Scobie To: Jim Sadler ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 12:55 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Dingy for M15? Though I haven't purchased mine yet, I am of the opinion that a kayak is the best 'dinghy' for our small boats. Having watched others the reasons for a kayak are - * light * low drag * easy to put on roof of tow vehicle -- ie, light * quick and easy to paddle * put a full-cover, different than a sprayskirt, over the cockpit area and if the kayak is rolled it will not fill full of water (also keeps out rain) I had an inflatable West Marine 'donut' type dinghy that I used on one trip ... didn't paddle well, couldn't be towed, was BIG even when compacted and took up 1/2 of v-berth or all of the foredeck. a PITA to get air out of to fit back into storage bag to put on foredeck or v-berth. Sold the 'dinghy' after the trip. A 'hardshell' dinghy is nice ... especially if you have, say, an M6.8. rows great being the most important. But a hardshell will slow the boat a LOT more than a kayak and you need to figure out a way to haul the dinghy on your tow vehicle. a hardshell will not fit on the foredeck of an M15 or M17. :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com --- On Mon, 12/17/12, Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Any skippers have ideas for a small dingy that I can carry on my M15? Just need to row from the anchorage to the dock approx 50 yards.
Captain ePoohJim skipper sailing vessel Pelican M15
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