Ok, cabin fever got to me and I was reading my copy of the Annapolis Book Of Seamanship. Lo and behold there is a picture of a 17 on page 62. (last copyright 1999) So my question... Is that Jerry bulling the stick up? The Dodge van made me think it might be. Monty 15 Mike  ...who drove 2000 each way for the prettiest 15 you ever seen...