Channel Islands/Ventura/Anacapa Photo Journal
Just finished posting a photo journal of our recent trip to the coast. 4 Montys joined the Socal Potter for four fun filled days in the California Sun (with a little fog and clouds too!) Here's the link: _http://havasumontgomerys.piczo.com/?g=40291182&vsrc=preview&cr=1_ (http://havasumontgomerys.piczo.com/?g=40291182&vsrc=preview&cr=1) Or you can get to it though my homepage at: _www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com_ (http://www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com) Enjoy. Hope everyone is doing great. Hey Mark!! Glad to hear you go her out!!! See you in 10 months!! Sean **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
The 3 gal gas tank that came with my Tohatsu won't fit into the rear cockpit compartment. Any idea where I can get one that will fit??? Thanks Joe Seafrog M-17
Try Academy or West Marine for replacement fuel tank. For God's sake, don't try to cram a 6-gallon tank in there. You'll have to cut the tank out like I did. Attwood makes 3-gallon tanks and so does Moeller. Moeller is the better one, but more $$$. Usually you have to buy the hose connection separately unless you can salvage the one off your old tank. Bill S. '01 M17
From: seagray@embarqmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:43:24 -0400> Subject: M_Boats: Gas tanks for M-17's> > The 3 gal gas tank that came with my Tohatsu won't fit into the rear > cockpit compartment. Any idea where I can get one that will fit??? Thanks> > Joe> Seafrog M-17 > > > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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The OEM tank for my 5 HP Honda fits in just barely and just the right angle. Maybe the hose fitting could be changed out so you could use such a tank. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of bill safford Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Gas tanks for M-17's Try Academy or West Marine for replacement fuel tank. For God's sake, don't try to cram a 6-gallon tank in there. You'll have to cut the tank out like I did. Attwood makes 3-gallon tanks and so does Moeller. Moeller is the better one, but more $$$. Usually you have to buy the hose connection separately unless you can salvage the one off your old tank. Bill S. '01 M17
From: seagray@embarqmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:43:24 -0400> Subject: M_Boats: Gas tanks for M-17's> > The 3 gal gas tank that came with my Tohatsu won't fit into the rear > cockpit compartment. Any idea where I can get one that will fit??? Thanks> > Joe> Seafrog M-17 > > > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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What is the concensus on any, if any, rake on a late model M-17. I have a 22' mast and have gotten some advice saying I should put in about 2-3 inches aft. Thoughts?? Joe Seafrog, M-17
Hi Joe, I adjusted my mast rake on my '75 M-17 to 12" back from the step. Jerry M. advised that if you hang a halyard as a plumb bob it should hang 12" back from the step. I have had it this way all season with certainly no ill effects. The standing rigging previously had the mast straight up which notable Montgomery sailors such as Doug Kelch had advised was too far forward. Rake away! Robbin '75 #056 Miss Take Joe Murphy wrote:
What is the concensus on any, if any, rake on a late model M-17. I have a 22' mast and have gotten some advice saying I should put in about 2-3 inches aft. Thoughts?? Joe Seafrog, M-17
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If you have a few minutes, try to wade through all this: http://www.msog.org/how-to/mastrake.cfm Note the part about mast rake, loading the rudder, etc. Remember that a big part of raking the mast is to balance the center of effort of the sail plan to the center of lateral resistance of the boat. To really fine tune it is more feel than actual numbers, but I'd say it's more like 8 to 10 inches as a good place to start. Hang a weight from your main halyard and use that as a plumb bob and measure from the gooseneck. Best done on a trailer. Take a level and level the cockpit seats as a reference. Fore and aft, and side to side. This also helps center the mast if the boat is level. If the mast tilts to one side, so will the plumb bob. That gets you started, then take it to the water. Note that things like a traveler will affect how much weather helm you get. When single handing, I've developed some basic rules of thumb I use....like sitting to the lee side until the angle of heel approaches 10 degrees and/or boat speed approaches 4 knots. This also allows me to watch my telltales and get a good idea how my jib leads are set, with the right amount of twist for the wind conditions. I'm normally sailing water without much fetch, so wind and waves differ, but I keep my genny up until I start to notice whitecaps. By then, I'm at hull speed and the boat is active. If it looks like more is coming, depending on what I'm trying to accomplish, I'll switch to the 100% and/or start thinking about a reef. I mention it as all of it affects the amount of heel and is part of the mast rake equation. On Sep 8, 2008, at 10:34 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
What is the concensus on any, if any, rake on a late model M-17. I have a 22' mast and have gotten some advice saying I should put in about 2-3 inches aft. Thoughts?? Joe Seafrog, M-17
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"Burp.. oops, excuse me" No, No not that burp. The burp from the centerboard. I found a 90% solution. I got a small 2" old fashioned drain plug and drill a hole a tad smaller than the diameter of the line used for pulling up the centerboard. On my M-17 there is a space between the cockpit opening and the camcleat where I installed the stopper. I simply adjust the stopper down over the opening and it stops about .... 90% of the burping. I figure anyone can live with the remaining 10%. Except for my brother and his Armani loafers. Joe
That is about where mine works best...... -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:34 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Mast Rake for M-17 What is the concensus on any, if any, rake on a late model M-17. I have a 22' mast and have gotten some advice saying I should put in about 2-3 inches aft. Thoughts?? Joe Seafrog, M-17 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1660 - Release Date: 9/8/2008 6:39 PM
Thanks Tim, Robbin, and Howard. I'll take the sum in all the great advice and divide by 3 and rake appropriately. It sure was fun taking her out for the very first time today. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Diebert" <tim@timtone.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast Rake for M-17
That is about where mine works best......
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:34 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Mast Rake for M-17
What is the concensus on any, if any, rake on a late model M-17. I have a 22' mast and have gotten some advice saying I should put in about 2-3 inches
aft. Thoughts?? Joe Seafrog, M-17
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Interesting range of adjustment. Then I read the info at the link Howard posted. Good stuff. Right at the bottom, last contribution, is Mike Leonard. He found, just like me, that a foot or so of rake was too much and something closer to 4" seemed about right to him. I was thinking it was because my main is non stock config and has a big ass roach. Mike said the same thing. That's because it turns out I now own his boat (though I bought it from the guy who bought it from him ).......silly business that. As I am currently adjusted, perfect amount of stick from ghosters up to reef time. And sometimes the first change is just one in the main and leave the 155 up. With the backstay cranked (and depending on displacement of self propelled ballast) I can carry the 155 a lot longer and go faster. Though by the time I need to take that guy down I can usually maintain the same speeds with the 100, get my butt off the coaming and incur less spillage. Thing is, if she is set up just right....you know full and well when change time has arrived. BTW Mike bought that North racing main (5.6 oz) in 2000. (the boat came with a folder of paper) I sent it in to North in Vancouver last winter to have them evaluate it and correct anything they could, they sent it back almost untouched. They suggested it was in stellar shape. The sail is a beauty. Tapered battens and the lot. Love it. Tim '83 M-17 #369 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:18 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast Rake for M-17 Thanks Tim, Robbin, and Howard. I'll take the sum in all the great advice and divide by 3 and rake appropriately. It sure was fun taking her out for the very first time today. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Diebert" <tim@timtone.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast Rake for M-17
That is about where mine works best......
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:34 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Mast Rake for M-17
What is the concensus on any, if any, rake on a late model M-17. I have a 22' mast and have gotten some advice saying I should put in about 2-3 inches
aft. Thoughts?? Joe Seafrog, M-17
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I have a little bit of rake aft on my M17 mast, but don't know exactly how much. Seems to work very well. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life. On Sep 8, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
What is the concensus on any, if any, rake on a late model M-17. I have a 22' mast and have gotten some advice saying I should put in about 2-3 inches aft. Thoughts?? Joe Seafrog, M-17
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