Joe....Have you had a sail cover made for Seafrog yet? If you have one I was wondering what measurements you used to have it made. I just wanted to make sure I am getting the right measurements for a good fit...T E. Tony Reed -----Original Message----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> Subj: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint Date: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:30 pm Size: 1K To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> I used Micron Extra. I keep Seafrog in saltwater 10 months straight per year. I pull her out after 5 months. Looked great. I agree with Bones. You can recoat with the same bottom paint as long as it is the same product. I like the ablative paint which flakes off during the time the boat is in the water thus shedding the nasties. I don't know if you use ablative paints in fresh water. But there are a gazillion sites out there with great advice. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <bownez@juno.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:34 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
Hi John,
I have Micron CSC on the M17, and Awlgrip All-star on the M23.
Both seem to be fabulous, although far from inexpensive.
Both boats are trailered and sailed in fresh water.
I have been led to believe that unless you remove all the previous bottom paint, recoating should be done with the same product.
For what it is worth.
Later,
Bones
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Thanks. I got some epoxy primer and some filler from West Marine last night. I hope to at least get that part done this weekend. I'm a dedicated trailer sailor, so my boat sees the water only when I'm sailing or it's raining. We have a PPG distributor here in town, but I wonder about the toughness of the automotive paint vs. boat paint. Also, can I paint epoxy or some kind of clear coat over the Deltron to keep it in a bit better condition? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:26 PM, <treed@communitycareinc.com> wrote:
Joe....Have you had a sail cover made for Seafrog yet? If you have one I was wondering what measurements you used to have it made. I just wanted to make sure I am getting the right measurements for a good fit...T
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I used Micron Extra. I keep Seafrog in saltwater 10 months straight per year. I pull her out after 5 months. Looked great. I agree with Bones. You can recoat with the same bottom paint as long as it is the same product. I like the ablative paint which flakes off during the time the boat is in the water thus shedding the nasties. I don't know if you use ablative paints in fresh water. But there are a gazillion sites out there with great advice. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <bownez@juno.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:34 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
Hi John,
I have Micron CSC on the M17, and Awlgrip All-star on the M23.
Both seem to be fabulous, although far from inexpensive.
Both boats are trailered and sailed in fresh water.
I have been led to believe that unless you remove all the previous bottom paint, recoating should be done with the same product.
For what it is worth.
Later,
Bones
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Hi Tony, Yes I did get a sail cover and it fits perfectly. It came with a tiller cover as well. I've just spent the last hour going through old emails and digging around for the paper work. It must be on the boat. I'll check tomorrow and get back to you. I think it was either Lee Sails or an Ebay company named comboat. I'm drawing a blank. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <treed@communitycareinc.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:26 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
Joe....Have you had a sail cover made for Seafrog yet? If you have one I was wondering what measurements you used to have it made. I just wanted to make sure I am getting the right measurements for a good fit...T
E. Tony Reed
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I used Micron Extra. I keep Seafrog in saltwater 10 months straight per year. I pull her out after 5 months. Looked great. I agree with Bones. You can recoat with the same bottom paint as long as it is the same product. I like the ablative paint which flakes off during the time the boat is in the water thus shedding the nasties. I don't know if you use ablative paints in fresh water. But there are a gazillion sites out there with great advice. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <bownez@juno.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:34 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
Hi John,
I have Micron CSC on the M17, and Awlgrip All-star on the M23.
Both seem to be fabulous, although far from inexpensive.
Both boats are trailered and sailed in fresh water.
I have been led to believe that unless you remove all the previous bottom paint, recoating should be done with the same product.
For what it is worth.
Later,
Bones
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Hello all, Happy may day! Spring is upon us here in Minnesota and I've begun boat work. In this endeavor, I finally managed to find my stamped ID - right there on the upper right corner of the transom, where everyone kept telling me to look! Now for deciphering: MMP 15 247 0383 Spaces were added as it makes the most sense to be read like that. Am I correct? I have #247 built in March 1983? And I assume it's Montgomery, but what about the other M and P? Exciting! (well, for me...) :) Chris M15 #247 Persephone On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tony, Yes I did get a sail cover and it fits perfectly. It came with a tiller cover as well. I've just spent the last hour going through old emails and digging around for the paper work. It must be on the boat. I'll check tomorrow and get back to you. I think it was either Lee Sails or an Ebay company named comboat. I'm drawing a blank. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <treed@communitycareinc.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
Joe....Have you had a sail cover made for Seafrog yet? If you have one I
was wondering what measurements you used to have it made. I just wanted to make sure I am getting the right measurements for a good fit...T
E. Tony Reed
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I used Micron Extra. I keep Seafrog in saltwater 10 months straight per year. I pull her out after 5 months. Looked great. I agree with Bones. You can recoat with the same bottom paint as long as it is the same product. I like the ablative paint which flakes off during the time the boat is in the water thus shedding the nasties. I don't know if you use ablative paints in fresh water. But there are a gazillion sites out there with great advice. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <bownez@juno.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:34 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
Hi John,
I have Micron CSC on the M17, and Awlgrip All-star on the M23.
Both seem to be fabulous, although far from inexpensive.
Both boats are trailered and sailed in fresh water.
I have been led to believe that unless you remove all the previous bottom paint, recoating should be done with the same product.
For what it is worth.
Later,
Bones
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Chris, you are right about the Hull number, month and year of manyfacture. The MMP is for Montgomery Marine Products and the 15 is the length of the boat. Whitebeard M17 #14, Griselda
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:10:24 -0500 From: chris.r.smith@gmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
Hello all, Happy may day!
Spring is upon us here in Minnesota and I've begun boat work. In this endeavor, I finally managed to find my stamped ID - right there on the upper right corner of the transom, where everyone kept telling me to look!
Now for deciphering: MMP 15 247 0383
Spaces were added as it makes the most sense to be read like that. Am I correct? I have #247 built in March 1983? And I assume it's Montgomery, but what about the other M and P?
Exciting! (well, for me...) :)
Chris M15 #247 Persephone
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Hi Tony, Yes I did get a sail cover and it fits perfectly. It came with a tiller cover as well. I've just spent the last hour going through old emails and digging around for the paper work. It must be on the boat. I'll check tomorrow and get back to you. I think it was either Lee Sails or an Ebay company named comboat. I'm drawing a blank. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <treed@communitycareinc.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
Joe....Have you had a sail cover made for Seafrog yet? If you have one I
was wondering what measurements you used to have it made. I just wanted to make sure I am getting the right measurements for a good fit...T
E. Tony Reed
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I used Micron Extra. I keep Seafrog in saltwater 10 months straight per year. I pull her out after 5 months. Looked great. I agree with Bones. You can recoat with the same bottom paint as long as it is the same product. I like the ablative paint which flakes off during the time the boat is in the water thus shedding the nasties. I don't know if you use ablative paints in fresh water. But there are a gazillion sites out there with great advice. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <bownez@juno.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:34 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
Hi John,
I have Micron CSC on the M17, and Awlgrip All-star on the M23.
Both seem to be fabulous, although far from inexpensive.
Both boats are trailered and sailed in fresh water.
I have been led to believe that unless you remove all the previous bottom paint, recoating should be done with the same product.
For what it is worth.
Later,
Bones
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Thanks Joe...I tried an Ebay company and they didn't have any in stock. I was trying to measure and order from Sailor's Tailor who makes the boat cover. Thanks, Tony -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint Hi Tony, Yes I did get a sail cover and it fits perfectly. It came with a tiller cover as well. I've just spent the last hour going through old emails and digging around for the paper work. It must be on the boat. I'll check tomorrow and get back to you. I think it was either Lee Sails or an Ebay company named comboat. I'm drawing a blank. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <treed@communitycareinc.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:26 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
Joe....Have you had a sail cover made for Seafrog yet? If you have one I was wondering what measurements you used to have it made. I just wanted to make sure I am getting the right measurements for a good fit...T
E. Tony Reed
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I used Micron Extra. I keep Seafrog in saltwater 10 months straight per year. I pull her out after 5 months. Looked great. I agree with Bones. You can recoat with the same bottom paint as long as it is the same product. I like the ablative paint which flakes off during the time the boat is in the water thus shedding the nasties. I don't know if you use ablative paints in fresh water. But there are a gazillion sites out there with great advice. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <bownez@juno.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:34 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
Hi John,
I have Micron CSC on the M17, and Awlgrip All-star on the M23.
Both seem to be fabulous, although far from inexpensive.
Both boats are trailered and sailed in fresh water.
I have been led to believe that unless you remove all the previous bottom paint, recoating should be done with the same product.
For what it is worth.
Later,
Bones
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I'll get my sail cover and take the measurements. I know I didn't order it from Sailor's Tailor. That was who I got my boat cover from. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Tony Reed" <treed@communitycareinc.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 7:26 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
Thanks Joe...I tried an Ebay company and they didn't have any in stock. I was trying to measure and order from Sailor's Tailor who makes the boat cover. Thanks, Tony
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
Hi Tony, Yes I did get a sail cover and it fits perfectly. It came with a tiller cover as well. I've just spent the last hour going through old emails and digging around for the paper work. It must be on the boat. I'll check tomorrow and get back to you. I think it was either Lee Sails or an Ebay company named comboat. I'm drawing a blank. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <treed@communitycareinc.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:26 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
Joe....Have you had a sail cover made for Seafrog yet? If you have one I was wondering what measurements you used to have it made. I just wanted to make sure I am getting the right measurements for a good fit...T
E. Tony Reed
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I used Micron Extra. I keep Seafrog in saltwater 10 months straight per year. I pull her out after 5 months. Looked great. I agree with Bones. You can recoat with the same bottom paint as long as it is the same product. I like the ablative paint which flakes off during the time the boat is in the water thus shedding the nasties. I don't know if you use ablative paints in fresh water. But there are a gazillion sites out there with great advice. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <bownez@juno.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:34 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
Hi John,
I have Micron CSC on the M17, and Awlgrip All-star on the M23.
Both seem to be fabulous, although far from inexpensive.
Both boats are trailered and sailed in fresh water.
I have been led to believe that unless you remove all the previous bottom paint, recoating should be done with the same product.
For what it is worth.
Later,
Bones
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One last post on bottom paint. I once had a trailerable 26' sloop, which came to me with the nastiest bottom painting I ever saw. After removing the mess, I sealed the bottom with Latex-Modified Epoxy cement paint. Like you would put on your outside porch. It was hard as nails, took a good scrubbing without losing any of itself, and lasted for the 15 years I trailered the boat. I put it on with a roller, and, as I was not interested in more than a twice a year racing weekend, it was perfect. It did not sluff off in the water and was great. No sufferage to the water creatures and it looked good all the time. Not nautical but functional. Believe the gallon I used was about $15 then... John in Tucson
I used Micron Extra. I keep Seafrog in saltwater 10 months straight per year. I pull her out after 5 months. Looked great. I agree with Bones. You can recoat with the same bottom paint as long as it is the same product. I like the ablative paint which flakes off during the time the boat is in the water thus shedding the nasties. I don't know if you use ablative paints in fresh water. But there are a gazillion sites out there with great advice. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <bownez@juno.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:34 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
Hi John,
I have Micron CSC on the M17, and Awlgrip All-star on the M23.
Both seem to be fabulous, although far from inexpensive.
Both boats are trailered and sailed in fresh water.
I have been led to believe that unless you remove all the previous bottom paint, recoating should be done with the same product.
For what it is worth.
Later,
Bones
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Hi Tony, Here are the measurements for my sail cover: Length: 9' Height at mast: 35" The following are measurements in circumferences: At the top of the sailcover around the mast: 12" At the aft end: 18"
From the aft end moving 66" forward the cut increases to 26" This last measurement is hard to describe but it is from the lowest point of the cover at the mast (bottom of the zipper) and back around the largest part of the cover. This is 58" (Imagine if you raise your hand to take an oath forming a 90 degree angle at the elbow. Now measure from the tip of your elbow around the inside of your arm/forearm.) I hope I've covered the critical measurements. If not let me know. I have the cover right here in the house so it would be very easy to get another measurement for you. Good luck. Joe
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Thanks Joe...I tried an Ebay company and they didn't have any in stock. I was trying to measure and order from Sailor's Tailor who makes the boat cover. Thanks, Tony
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Hi Tony, Yes I did get a sail cover and it fits perfectly. It came with a tiller cover as well. I've just spent the last hour going through old emails and digging around for the paper work. It must be on the boat. I'll check tomorrow and get back to you. I think it was either Lee Sails or an Ebay company named comboat. I'm drawing a blank. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <treed@communitycareinc.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:26 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
Joe....Have you had a sail cover made for Seafrog yet? If you have one I was wondering what measurements you used to have it made. I just wanted to make sure I am getting the right measurements for a good fit...T
E. Tony Reed
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I used Micron Extra. I keep Seafrog in saltwater 10 months straight per year. I pull her out after 5 months. Looked great. I agree with Bones. You can recoat with the same bottom paint as long as it is the same product. I like the ablative paint which flakes off during the time the boat is in the water thus shedding the nasties. I don't know if you use ablative paints in fresh water. But there are a gazillion sites out there with great advice. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <bownez@juno.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:34 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
Hi John,
I have Micron CSC on the M17, and Awlgrip All-star on the M23.
Both seem to be fabulous, although far from inexpensive.
Both boats are trailered and sailed in fresh water.
I have been led to believe that unless you remove all the previous bottom paint, recoating should be done with the same product.
For what it is worth.
Later,
Bones
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I'm putting in a masthead light and wondered what would be the appropriate height. I'm thinking about half way between the top and the spreader. Does is really matter?? Joe Seafrog M17
Joe, Kinda depends on what duties the light will be expected to perform. Anchor light, steaming light, running lights, or just a light so you can see on deck?? Rik On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
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I guess I wasn't very clear in my original post. My purpose of the masthead light is to complete the all round light when I'm under power. I have a stern light which is ok when I'm just under sail, but when I'm under power, I need to complete the 360 degrees. I've seen some masthead lights that are combined with a deck light. Not sure I need a deck light for an M17. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Sandberg" <sanderico1@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:44 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Masthead light
Joe,
Kinda depends on what duties the light will be expected to perform. Anchor light, steaming light, running lights, or just a light so you can see on deck??
Rik
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Joe, I looked all that stuff up once quite a while back. As I recall, you don't actually need that light to be legal on a 17 ft'r. If you just want to have it anyway, I think the CC wanted it at least three feet above the level of your running (red, green) bow lights. On the Rhodes 22 I used to own, the steaming light was just above the spreaders. If I'm not mis-remembering, you don't actually have to have that light 'til you get up to about 23 feet (7 meters) Rik On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I guess I wasn't very clear in my original post. My purpose of the masthead light is to complete the all round light when I'm under power. I have a stern light which is ok when I'm just under sail, but when I'm under power, I need to complete the 360 degrees. I've seen some masthead lights that are combined with a deck light. Not sure I need a deck light for an M17.
Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Sandberg" <sanderico1@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:44 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Masthead light
Joe,
Kinda depends on what duties the light will be expected to perform. Anchor light, steaming light, running lights, or just a light so you can see on deck??
Rik
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I think what you are referring to is the International Rule that says if your power-driven vessel is less than 23 feet/7 meters in length and its maximum speed cannot exceed 7 knots, then it may display an all-round white light, and if practicable, sidelights instead of the lights prescribed previously. But for Inland rules any power-driven vessels less than 39.4 feet/12 meters in length must display an all around light plus the masthead or all-round white light must be at least 1 meter above the sidelights. Ain't this fun... Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Sandberg" <sanderico1@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 8:37 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Masthead light
Joe,
I looked all that stuff up once quite a while back. As I recall, you don't actually need that light to be legal on a 17 ft'r. If you just want to have it anyway, I think the CC wanted it at least three feet above the level of your running (red, green) bow lights. On the Rhodes 22 I used to own, the steaming light was just above the spreaders. If I'm not mis-remembering, you don't actually have to have that light 'til you get up to about 23 feet (7 meters)
Rik
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I guess I wasn't very clear in my original post. My purpose of the masthead light is to complete the all round light when I'm under power. I have a stern light which is ok when I'm just under sail, but when I'm under power, I need to complete the 360 degrees. I've seen some masthead lights that are combined with a deck light. Not sure I need a deck light for an M17.
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Joe,
Kinda depends on what duties the light will be expected to perform. Anchor light, steaming light, running lights, or just a light so you can see on deck??
Rik
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I found that a light mounted halfway between the masthead and the spreaders makes a good place for a slack halyard to hook after swinging around the mast, a somewhat inconvenient situation. If I were to do it over again, I'd keep it just above the spreaders (maybe a foot or 18") Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
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Joe,
Kinda depends on what duties the light will be expected to perform. Anchor light, steaming light, running lights, or just a light so you can see on deck??
Rik
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Tod, That makes great sense. Now that you mention it I remember getting my halyard snagged on my NS27. Thanks much, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <htmills@zoominternet.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 8:21 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Masthead light
I found that a light mounted halfway between the masthead and the spreaders makes a good place for a slack halyard to hook after swinging around the mast, a somewhat inconvenient situation. If I were to do it over again, I'd keep it just above the spreaders (maybe a foot or 18")
Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
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Joe,
Kinda depends on what duties the light will be expected to perform. Anchor light, steaming light, running lights, or just a light so you can see on deck??
Rik
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When I rewired Griselda's mast, I installed a masthead tricolor which is wired to one switch and I use it only while under sail. I kept the bow light, stern light and foreward white light (just below the spreaders) on another switch to use when under power. To avoid depleating the battery, I have a portable anchor light I run up the jib hallyard/downhaul. I have used this setup on several boats in the past and feel that the masthead tricolor is hard to mistake for a powerboat light when under sail after dark. We need all the help we can get when under sail at night here in Texas with the usual heards of ignorant rednecks out there in power boats. Whitebeard M17 #14, Griselda
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Wow...talk about the best of both worlds. How did you manage to get all that wire through the coach roof?? Thanks, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronnie Keeler" <ronkeeler@hotmail.com> To: "Montgomery boats mailing list" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 10:43 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Masthead light When I rewired Griselda's mast, I installed a masthead tricolor which is wired to one switch and I use it only while under sail. I kept the bow light, stern light and foreward white light (just below the spreaders) on another switch to use when under power. To avoid depleating the battery, I have a portable anchor light I run up the jib hallyard/downhaul. I have used this setup on several boats in the past and feel that the masthead tricolor is hard to mistake for a powerboat light when under sail after dark. We need all the help we can get when under sail at night here in Texas with the usual heards of ignorant rednecks out there in power boats. Whitebeard M17 #14, Griselda
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Joe, I used a 4 conductor plug with a screw on cap on the coach roof. It contains one ground pin and three conductors. The item is available from the much maligned West marine. For the bow and stern lights used when "steaming" I left the existing lights in place whose wires run under the Gunnels. In my mast, I have a 3 wire cable to the mastherd tricolor, a two wire to the "steaming light" and coax for the VHF antenna as well as the main and jib hallyards. The tricolor is on one switch and the Bow, stern and steaming lights are on another switch. When under power, I simply turn of the tricolor and turn on the origonal set of lights. I use a portable anchor light run up the Jib stay. I used marine grade wire with tinned conductors and a teflon casing and all the grounds are connected to the same pin in the plug. It all fits just fine with no binding of the hallyards even after replacing the wire with Spectra braid. I pulled the wire through the mast with a 50 foot electricians "fish tape" which is available from almost any hardware store at modest cost. By the way, I found that Duckworks has excellent prices on the spectra braid. Their inventory is limited but Chuck Leinweber is great to do business with. He caters primarily to home boat builders and the Duckworks online newsletter is also an interesting read. Whitebeard M17 #14,Griselda
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Wow...talk about the best of both worlds. How did you manage to get all that wire through the coach roof?? Thanks, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronnie Keeler" <ronkeeler@hotmail.com> To: "Montgomery boats mailing list" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 10:43 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Masthead light
When I rewired Griselda's mast, I installed a masthead tricolor which is wired to one switch and I use it only while under sail. I kept the bow light, stern light and foreward white light (just below the spreaders) on another switch to use when under power. To avoid depleating the battery, I have a portable anchor light I run up the jib hallyard/downhaul. I have used this setup on several boats in the past and feel that the masthead tricolor is hard to mistake for a powerboat light when under sail after dark. We need all the help we can get when under sail at night here in Texas with the usual heards of ignorant rednecks out there in power boats.
Whitebeard
M17 #14, Griselda
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I'm putting in a masthead light and wondered what would be the appropriate height. I'm thinking about half way between the top and the spreader. Does is really matter?? Joe Seafrog M17
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Ronnie, I need a portable anchor light like yours. Could you divulge the brand and where one can be purchased? I have used a kerosene anchor light run up the halyard in years past, but I do not plan on using kerosene on my Mboat. Thanks a bunch, Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronnie Keeler" <ronkeeler@hotmail.com> To: "Montgomery boats mailing list" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 7:43 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Masthead light When I rewired Griselda's mast, I installed a masthead tricolor which is wired to one switch and I use it only while under sail. I kept the bow light, stern light and foreward white light (just below the spreaders) on another switch to use when under power. To avoid depleating the battery, I have a portable anchor light I run up the jib hallyard/downhaul. I have used this setup on several boats in the past and feel that the masthead tricolor is hard to mistake for a powerboat light when under sail after dark. We need all the help we can get when under sail at night here in Texas with the usual heards of ignorant rednecks out there in power boats. Whitebeard M17 #14, Griselda
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My anchor light is one I bought at a ship chandler in Marblehead, Ma. back in the early 70s. It is a Weems and Plath and looks like a brass kerosene lamp but has a battery compartment in the base. I am sure it would be expensive if I could find another one. I looked on several websites but didn't find anything similar. If I were buying today, I would use one of the portable suction cup type stern lights (uses flashlight battery) that you can get at most fishing supply stores and hang it upside down from the head stay. Another option would be to use a coleman battery powered tent lantern which comes with either a xenon lamp or an LED light and has a handle on the top. Whitebeard M17 #14, Griselda
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 09:32:44 -0700 From: tjenk@gte.net To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Masthead light
Ronnie, I need a portable anchor light like yours. Could you divulge the brand and where one can be purchased? I have used a kerosene anchor light run up the halyard in years past, but I do not plan on using kerosene on my Mboat. Thanks a bunch, Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronnie Keeler" <ronkeeler@hotmail.com> To: "Montgomery boats mailing list" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 7:43 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Masthead light
When I rewired Griselda's mast, I installed a masthead tricolor which is wired to one switch and I use it only while under sail. I kept the bow light, stern light and foreward white light (just below the spreaders) on another switch to use when under power. To avoid depleating the battery, I have a portable anchor light I run up the jib hallyard/downhaul. I have used this setup on several boats in the past and feel that the masthead tricolor is hard to mistake for a powerboat light when under sail after dark. We need all the help we can get when under sail at night here in Texas with the usual heards of ignorant rednecks out there in power boats.
Whitebeard
M17 #14, Griselda
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I'm putting in a masthead light and wondered what would be the appropriate height. I'm thinking about half way between the top and the spreader. Does is really matter?? Joe Seafrog M17
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Thanks for your advice, guys. The tent lantern would probably work fine, as would the Davis "Mega-light Masthead" suggested by Bones, but I dug out my brass kerosene anchor lamp (that probably looks just like the Weems and Plath electric job), and my atavistic tendencies impel me to run that up the halyard instead. It uses a tiny bit of lamp oil per night, and does not need batteries or a cord. It occurs to me that someday far in the future someone will invent an automobile that you can just fill up with gasoline and go, and it won't even have to be plugged in at night. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronnie Keeler" <ronkeeler@hotmail.com> To: "Montgomery boats mailing list" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:56 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Masthead light My anchor light is one I bought at a ship chandler in Marblehead, Ma. back in the early 70s. It is a Weems and Plath and looks like a brass kerosene lamp but has a battery compartment in the base. I am sure it would be expensive if I could find another one. I looked on several websites but didn't find anything similar. If I were buying today, I would use one of the portable suction cup type stern lights (uses flashlight battery) that you can get at most fishing supply stores and hang it upside down from the head stay. Another option would be to use a coleman battery powered tent lantern which comes with either a xenon lamp or an LED light and has a handle on the top. Whitebeard M17 #14, Griselda
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 09:32:44 -0700 From: tjenk@gte.net To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Masthead light
Ronnie, I need a portable anchor light like yours. Could you divulge the brand and where one can be purchased? I have used a kerosene anchor light run up the halyard in years past, but I do not plan on using kerosene on my Mboat. Thanks a bunch, Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronnie Keeler" <ronkeeler@hotmail.com> To: "Montgomery boats mailing list" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 7:43 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Masthead light
When I rewired Griselda's mast, I installed a masthead tricolor which is wired to one switch and I use it only while under sail. I kept the bow light, stern light and foreward white light (just below the spreaders) on another switch to use when under power. To avoid depleating the battery, I have a portable anchor light I run up the jib hallyard/downhaul. I have used this setup on several boats in the past and feel that the masthead tricolor is hard to mistake for a powerboat light when under sail after dark. We need all the help we can get when under sail at night here in Texas with the usual heards of ignorant rednecks out there in power boats.
Whitebeard
M17 #14, Griselda
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Put it at the masthead. Anything lower is not a masthead light. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' On May 3, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
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