Hey, all, I am looking for advice on boom sheeting. As you know, the Montgomery 17 boom sheeting is done mid-boom, with a traveler in the floor of the cockpit. I have been thinking about moving the sheet to the boom end to get the sheet out of the middle of the cockpit. I am considering installing a fiddle block on the boom end, with single block with becket on one quarter, and a single block on the other, similar to the Norsea 27 sheeting arrangement. Has anyone made such a change, and if so, how did it work out? Thanks for any comments. Will
HI Wilson, I moved my mainsheet forward to the aft end of the cabin but I did install a backstay tensioning device which works well. I think a boom end sheeting arrangement would probably work just fine. Happy sailing, Tom B On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 7:32 PM, Wilson Frye <fryewe@mac.com> wrote:
Hey, all,
I am looking for advice on boom sheeting.
As you know, the Montgomery 17 boom sheeting is done mid-boom, with a traveler in the floor of the cockpit. I have been thinking about moving the sheet to the boom end to get the sheet out of the middle of the cockpit. I am considering installing a fiddle block on the boom end, with single block with becket on one quarter, and a single block on the other, similar to the Norsea 27 sheeting arrangement.
Has anyone made such a change, and if so, how did it work out?
Thanks for any comments.
Will
I use a double ended main sheet arrangement on my Sandpiper 565. Double blocks on the boom, a block at each quarter leading to a rotating cam cleat on each coaming. You can release or cleat the main on either side at any time. It is a little inconvenient when 4 people are in the cockpit otherwise it works well. Thanks Doug Kelch On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 6:32 PM, Wilson Frye <fryewe@mac.com> wrote:
Hey, all,
I am looking for advice on boom sheeting.
As you know, the Montgomery 17 boom sheeting is done mid-boom, with a traveler in the floor of the cockpit. I have been thinking about moving the sheet to the boom end to get the sheet out of the middle of the cockpit. I am considering installing a fiddle block on the boom end, with single block with becket on one quarter, and a single block on the other, similar to the Norsea 27 sheeting arrangement.
Has anyone made such a change, and if so, how did it work out?
Thanks for any comments.
Will
Where would your cam cleat be for the mainsheet? Both sides, like Douglas' setup, or...? I've sailed a couple boats (Ensenada 20, Potter 19) with boom end sheeting and the mainsheet cleat on a swivel block on just one side (starboard on the E20, can't recall on the Potter). It was fine when sitting opposite the cleat side; I found it rather awkward when sitting on same side as cleat. The earlier M17's like mine had the traveler just aft of the companionway, rather than mid-cockpit. It's easy to keep it clear of everything when not sailing; it's only a bit in the way when passengers are sitting all the way forward and don't know to keep their feet out of the way of the sheet. Mine is a bit customized because when I got the boat, the original floor mounted stop pin traveler had been replaced with a 4 ft. rail & windward sheeting car fastened to the top of the seats. I cut it down and moved it to just below and behind the companionway threshold, and I'm happy with it there. Picture attached - you can see the marks on the seats where the full length rail was before, and the old holes from the original traveler mounting just a bit aft of the current traveler. So if what you're trying to do is get your mainsheet out of the middle of the cockpit, you could move it either forward or aft... cheers, John S. On 01/14/2017 05:32 PM, Wilson Frye wrote:
Hey, all,
I am looking for advice on boom sheeting.
As you know, the Montgomery 17 boom sheeting is done mid-boom, with a traveler in the floor of the cockpit. I have been thinking about moving the sheet to the boom end to get the sheet out of the middle of the cockpit. I am considering installing a fiddle block on the boom end, with single block with becket on one quarter, and a single block on the other, similar to the Norsea 27 sheeting arrangement.
Has anyone made such a change, and if so, how did it work out?
Thanks for any comments.
Will
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Where would I put the cam cleat? That’s something I’d have to sort out. I was thinking about running the bitter end of the sheet along either the port or starboard coaming to a cam cleat…but have to go sit in the boat and think about it. The angle from the last block to that cam cleat would be obtuse (perhaps like my original question?/?) and the sheet pull to tighten would be outboard, which I don’t like. Perhaps I will need to install a foundation for the cam cleat to allow mounting further inboard. Or maybe I’ll just leave the mainsheet where it is… Thanks to commenters on my question. Will
On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:05 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Where would your cam cleat be for the mainsheet?
Both sides, like Douglas' setup, or...?
I've sailed a couple boats (Ensenada 20, Potter 19) with boom end sheeting and the mainsheet cleat on a swivel block on just one side (starboard on the E20, can't recall on the Potter). It was fine when sitting opposite the cleat side; I found it rather awkward when sitting on same side as cleat.
The earlier M17's like mine had the traveler just aft of the companionway, rather than mid-cockpit. It's easy to keep it clear of everything when not sailing; it's only a bit in the way when passengers are sitting all the way forward and don't know to keep their feet out of the way of the sheet.
Mine is a bit customized because when I got the boat, the original floor mounted stop pin traveler had been replaced with a 4 ft. rail & windward sheeting car fastened to the top of the seats. I cut it down and moved it to just below and behind the companionway threshold, and I'm happy with it there. Picture attached - you can see the marks on the seats where the full length rail was before, and the old holes from the original traveler mounting just a bit aft of the current traveler.
So if what you're trying to do is get your mainsheet out of the middle of the cockpit, you could move it either forward or aft...
cheers, John S.
On 01/14/2017 05:32 PM, Wilson Frye wrote:
Hey, all,
I am looking for advice on boom sheeting.
As you know, the Montgomery 17 boom sheeting is done mid-boom, with a traveler in the floor of the cockpit. I have been thinking about moving the sheet to the boom end to get the sheet out of the middle of the cockpit. I am considering installing a fiddle block on the boom end, with single block with becket on one quarter, and a single block on the other, similar to the Norsea 27 sheeting arrangement.
Has anyone made such a change, and if so, how did it work out?
Thanks for any comments.
Will
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I am thinking of moving the main sheet cam cleat on my M-15 over to the side because I am tired of it being in the middle everytime I want something from the cabin. Would it matter if port or starboard side? Steve M - 15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Wilson Frye Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 11:55 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boom End sheeting Where would I put the cam cleat? ThatÂ’s something IÂ’d have to sort out. I was thinking about running the bitter end of the sheet along either the port or starboard coaming to a cam cleatÂ…but have to go sit in the boat and think about it. The angle from the last block to that cam cleat would be obtuse (perhaps like my original question?/?) and the sheet pull to tighten would be outboard, which I donÂ’t like. Perhaps I will need to install a foundation for the cam cleat to allow mounting further inboard. Or maybe IÂ’ll just leave the mainsheet where it isÂ… Thanks to commenters on my question. Will
On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:05 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Where would your cam cleat be for the mainsheet?
Both sides, like Douglas' setup, or...?
I've sailed a couple boats (Ensenada 20, Potter 19) with boom end sheeting and the mainsheet cleat on a swivel block on just one side (starboard on the E20, can't recall on the Potter). It was fine when sitting opposite the cleat side; I found it rather awkward when sitting on same side as cleat.
The earlier M17's like mine had the traveler just aft of the companionway, rather than mid-cockpit. It's easy to keep it clear of everything when not sailing; it's only a bit in the way when passengers are sitting all the way forward and don't know to keep their feet out of the way of the sheet.
Mine is a bit customized because when I got the boat, the original floor mounted stop pin traveler had been replaced with a 4 ft. rail & windward sheeting car fastened to the top of the seats. I cut it down and moved it to just below and behind the companionway threshold, and I'm happy with it there. Picture attached - you can see the marks on the seats where the full length rail was before, and the old holes from the original traveler mounting just a bit aft of the current traveler.
So if what you're trying to do is get your mainsheet out of the middle of the cockpit, you could move it either forward or aft...
cheers, John S.
On 01/14/2017 05:32 PM, Wilson Frye wrote:
Hey, all,
I am looking for advice on boom sheeting.
As you know, the Montgomery 17 boom sheeting is done mid-boom, with a traveler in the floor of the cockpit. I have been thinking about moving the sheet to the boom end to get the sheet out of the middle of the cockpit. I am considering installing a fiddle block on the boom end, with single block with becket on one quarter, and a single block on the other, similar to the Norsea 27 sheeting arrangement.
Has anyone made such a change, and if so, how did it work out?
Thanks for any comments.
Will
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com <p6280006-traveler-after-1000x750.jpg>
This is what I did on my M15 a couple years ago. It keeps the main sheet out from under my passenger's feet and works pretty well. Also, it is easy to return to original setup when sailing alone, just put a block on the traveler and rearrange the sheet. From: Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@Q.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boom End sheeting I am thinking of moving the main sheet cam cleat on my M-15 over to the side because I am tired of it being in the middle everytime I want something from the cabin. Would it matter if port or starboard side? Steve M - 15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Wilson Frye Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 11:55 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boom End sheeting Where would I put the cam cleat? That’s something I’d have to sort out. I was thinking about running the bitter end of the sheet along either the port or starboard coaming to a cam cleat…but have to go sit in the boat and think about it. The angle from the last block to that cam cleat would be obtuse (perhaps like my original question?/?) and the sheet pull to tighten would be outboard, which I don’t like. Perhaps I will need to install a foundation for the cam cleat to allow mounting further inboard. Or maybe I’ll just leave the mainsheet where it is… Thanks to commenters on my question. Will
On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:05 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Where would your cam cleat be for the mainsheet?
Both sides, like Douglas' setup, or...?
I've sailed a couple boats (Ensenada 20, Potter 19) with boom end sheeting and the mainsheet cleat on a swivel block on just one side (starboard on the E20, can't recall on the Potter). It was fine when sitting opposite the cleat side; I found it rather awkward when sitting on same side as cleat.
The earlier M17's like mine had the traveler just aft of the companionway, rather than mid-cockpit. It's easy to keep it clear of everything when not sailing; it's only a bit in the way when passengers are sitting all the way forward and don't know to keep their feet out of the way of the sheet.
Mine is a bit customized because when I got the boat, the original floor mounted stop pin traveler had been replaced with a 4 ft. rail & windward sheeting car fastened to the top of the seats. I cut it down and moved it to just below and behind the companionway threshold, and I'm happy with it there. Picture attached - you can see the marks on the seats where the full length rail was before, and the old holes from the original traveler mounting just a bit aft of the current traveler.
So if what you're trying to do is get your mainsheet out of the middle of the cockpit, you could move it either forward or aft...
cheers, John S.
On 01/14/2017 05:32 PM, Wilson Frye wrote:
Hey, all,
I am looking for advice on boom sheeting.
As you know, the Montgomery 17 boom sheeting is done mid-boom, with a traveler in the floor of the cockpit. I have been thinking about moving the sheet to the boom end to get the sheet out of the middle of the cockpit. I am considering installing a fiddle block on the boom end, with single block with becket on one quarter, and a single block on the other, similar to the Norsea 27 sheeting arrangement.
Has anyone made such a change, and if so, how did it work out?
Thanks for any comments.
Will
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com <p6280006-traveler-after-1000x750.jpg>
Thanx for the idea. Do you have a copyright on it? Am thinking of copying your idea for my M-15. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: mrh219--- via montgomery_boats Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 6:39 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boom End sheeting This is what I did on my M15 a couple years ago. It keeps the main sheet out from under my passenger's feet and works pretty well. Also, it is easy to return to original setup when sailing alone, just put a block on the traveler and rearrange the sheet. From: Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@Q.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boom End sheeting I am thinking of moving the main sheet cam cleat on my M-15 over to the side because I am tired of it being in the middle everytime I want something from the cabin. Would it matter if port or starboard side? Steve M - 15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Wilson Frye Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 11:55 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boom End sheeting Where would I put the cam cleat? That’s something I’d have to sort out. I was thinking about running the bitter end of the sheet along either the port or starboard coaming to a cam cleat…but have to go sit in the boat and think about it. The angle from the last block to that cam cleat would be obtuse (perhaps like my original question?/?) and the sheet pull to tighten would be outboard, which I don’t like. Perhaps I will need to install a foundation for the cam cleat to allow mounting further inboard. Or maybe I’ll just leave the mainsheet where it is… Thanks to commenters on my question. Will
On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:05 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Where would your cam cleat be for the mainsheet?
Both sides, like Douglas' setup, or...?
I've sailed a couple boats (Ensenada 20, Potter 19) with boom end sheeting and the mainsheet cleat on a swivel block on just one side (starboard on the E20, can't recall on the Potter). It was fine when sitting opposite the cleat side; I found it rather awkward when sitting on same side as cleat.
The earlier M17's like mine had the traveler just aft of the companionway, rather than mid-cockpit. It's easy to keep it clear of everything when not sailing; it's only a bit in the way when passengers are sitting all the way forward and don't know to keep their feet out of the way of the sheet.
Mine is a bit customized because when I got the boat, the original floor mounted stop pin traveler had been replaced with a 4 ft. rail & windward sheeting car fastened to the top of the seats. I cut it down and moved it to just below and behind the companionway threshold, and I'm happy with it there. Picture attached - you can see the marks on the seats where the full length rail was before, and the old holes from the original traveler mounting just a bit aft of the current traveler.
So if what you're trying to do is get your mainsheet out of the middle of the cockpit, you could move it either forward or aft...
cheers, John S.
On 01/14/2017 05:32 PM, Wilson Frye wrote:
Hey, all,
I am looking for advice on boom sheeting.
As you know, the Montgomery 17 boom sheeting is done mid-boom, with a traveler in the floor of the cockpit. I have been thinking about moving the sheet to the boom end to get the sheet out of the middle of the cockpit. I am considering installing a fiddle block on the boom end, with single block with becket on one quarter, and a single block on the other, similar to the Norsea 27 sheeting arrangement.
Has anyone made such a change, and if so, how did it work out?
Thanks for any comments.
Will
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com <p6280006-traveler-after-1000x750.jpg>
-----Original Message----- From: Linda Cummings Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 11:12 AM To: Steve Trapp Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boom End sheeting I don't think so. I've sailed on boats with that set up .... hard to get to the motor and uncomfortable to sit back in the corner which you might have to do sometimes with the tiller. Perhaps best if you are solo. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Trapp Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 10:04 AM To: mrh219@yahoo.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boom End sheeting Thanx for the idea. Do you have a copyright on it? Am thinking of copying your idea for my M-15. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: mrh219--- via montgomery_boats Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 6:39 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boom End sheeting This is what I did on my M15 a couple years ago. It keeps the main sheet out from under my passenger's feet and works pretty well. Also, it is easy to return to original setup when sailing alone, just put a block on the traveler and rearrange the sheet. From: Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@Q.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boom End sheeting I am thinking of moving the main sheet cam cleat on my M-15 over to the side because I am tired of it being in the middle everytime I want something from the cabin. Would it matter if port or starboard side? Steve M - 15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Wilson Frye Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 11:55 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boom End sheeting Where would I put the cam cleat? That’s something I’d have to sort out. I was thinking about running the bitter end of the sheet along either the port or starboard coaming to a cam cleat…but have to go sit in the boat and think about it. The angle from the last block to that cam cleat would be obtuse (perhaps like my original question?/?) and the sheet pull to tighten would be outboard, which I don’t like. Perhaps I will need to install a foundation for the cam cleat to allow mounting further inboard. Or maybe I’ll just leave the mainsheet where it is… Thanks to commenters on my question. Will
On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:05 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Where would your cam cleat be for the mainsheet?
Both sides, like Douglas' setup, or...?
I've sailed a couple boats (Ensenada 20, Potter 19) with boom end sheeting and the mainsheet cleat on a swivel block on just one side (starboard on the E20, can't recall on the Potter). It was fine when sitting opposite the cleat side; I found it rather awkward when sitting on same side as cleat.
The earlier M17's like mine had the traveler just aft of the companionway, rather than mid-cockpit. It's easy to keep it clear of everything when not sailing; it's only a bit in the way when passengers are sitting all the way forward and don't know to keep their feet out of the way of the sheet.
Mine is a bit customized because when I got the boat, the original floor mounted stop pin traveler had been replaced with a 4 ft. rail & windward sheeting car fastened to the top of the seats. I cut it down and moved it to just below and behind the companionway threshold, and I'm happy with it there. Picture attached - you can see the marks on the seats where the full length rail was before, and the old holes from the original traveler mounting just a bit aft of the current traveler.
So if what you're trying to do is get your mainsheet out of the middle of the cockpit, you could move it either forward or aft...
cheers, John S.
On 01/14/2017 05:32 PM, Wilson Frye wrote:
Hey, all,
I am looking for advice on boom sheeting.
As you know, the Montgomery 17 boom sheeting is done mid-boom, with a traveler in the floor of the cockpit. I have been thinking about moving the sheet to the boom end to get the sheet out of the middle of the cockpit. I am considering installing a fiddle block on the boom end, with single block with becket on one quarter, and a single block on the other, similar to the Norsea 27 sheeting arrangement.
Has anyone made such a change, and if so, how did it work out?
Thanks for any comments.
Will
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Thomas Buzzi -
Wilson Frye