Andrei.... My 1978 M-17, "Seranita" is also a cream colored hull. During my restoration, I removed the old graphics and had a local sign maker make me a new stripe and name banner. As I recall, the vinyl graphics package cost around $250. A bargain in my book as this simple change completely modernized my boat. I am sure you can find a local sign shop that can do the same for you at a reasonable cost. These vinyl graphics are computer generated and very easily created these days. Here is a side shot of Seranita's vinyl graphics: http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj130/sailingsd/Montgomery%2017%20Trailer /Dayof1stLaunch1.jpg Have fun...by the way...just about any color will compliment that beautiful cream colored hull... Best, JB "Seranita" 1978 M-17 / San Diego -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:46 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 69, Issue 16 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Removing M17 Galley (Gary M Hyde) 2. Re: History of the M17 (RKGraves) 3. Vinyl decal stripes (Andrei Caldararu) 4. Re: Vinyl decal stripes (W David Scobie) 5. Re: Vinyl decal stripes (Gary M Hyde) 6. Re: Vinyl decal stripes (Andrei Caldararu) 7. Re: Vinyl decal stripes (Andrei Caldararu) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:47:11 -0800 From: Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1@mac.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Removing M17 Galley To: danielarichman@gmail.com, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <C3EF4C69-DF5B-446D-A207-55D051617570@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Dan: Are you aware of the two major different centerboard designs in the M17? The earlier cast iron board and the later fiberglass board and greater fixed ballast? Randy Graves can give you the transition date. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' On Nov 8, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Dan Richman wrote:

I am in very much the market for a Montgomery 17, but in two weeks of intensive searching have turned up only models that have the galley. Today, having actually sat inside an M17 for the first time, my wife and I realized the galley model will not accommodate us. There is simply no room for two people to sit face-to-face, and we consider that a requirement.

That leaves us three choices: (1) continuing to search for a non- galley model, (2) order a new boat, or (3) remove the galley from a galley model.

I would welcome this group's opinions as the wisdom, feasibility and cost of of Option 3: removing the galley from a galley model.

I imagine replacing the galley assembly with a horizontal length of fiberglass that would mirror the starboard side in appearance and function.

I've found nothing in the archives about this. If I've missed a thread, forgive me.

Thanks very much for your collective wisdom.

Dan and Jo Marie Richman Shoreline (Seattle), Wash. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:24:35 -0800 From: RKGraves <RKGraves@cite.nic.edu> Subject: Re: M_Boats: History of the M17 To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>, "danielarichman@gmail.com" <danielarichman@gmail.com> Message-ID: <A7875813589AE240854B10B3891F2F777021825FD9@Exch1.cite.nic.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dan, and for those shopping for an M17, Here is as summary of the history of the M17, best I know. The early M17's (from the mid-70's through about 1983) have a cast iron centerboard and used the original deck mold which has a different non-skid pattern, recessed forward hatch, lower cabin top, and single drain in the rear-floor of the cockpit which exits below the waterline. These boats also have a very nice aluminum toe rail, but no Genoa track. These early M17's used a transom cutout for the outboard motor. In 1983 a newer deck was introduced (same deck mold as is being used today, except for the cockpit drain configuration). The new deck incorporated a different cockpit locker configuration of port - starboard - and transom wet locker, two cockpit drains (these feed first into the wet locker and then exit below the waterline, + 2 drains above waterline in the transom). I believe in 1983 there was a fiberglass pan added to the bow section of the inside of the hull to create several flat surfaces for storage. The aluminum toe rail was replaced with a teak toe rail. Also, the windows were changed to frameless smoked fiberglass, in lieu of earlier framed glass(?) windows. Many of this vintage also came with a fixed fiberglass motor mount. In 1988 (roughly at hull #400) the centerboard was changed from 220 lbs cast iron to the same centerboard as is used in the M15, weighing 40 lbs. The M15 is comprised of a fiberglass-lead-fiberglass sandwich and does not require a winch to raise and lower. Also, the ballast was increased to compensate for the change in centerboard weight, and the ballast was changed from steel punching to lead. These changes took places over several boats. For example; our 1988 M17 #410 has the fiberglass centerboard but steel punching ballast. This run continued until Jerry quit building boats in roughly 1994. In the Jerry built boats three interiors were available; 3-berth galley model, 4-berth model, and 3-1/2 berth model. On the galley and 3-1/2 berth models the port cockpit locker opens to the interior of the boat. On the 4-berth model none of the lockers open into the interior of the boat. Since the year 2000 Bob has been building new M17's. To my knowledge these use the same deck and hull molds as the 1983 and newer boats. From the new M17's I've seen I have noted these changes. The below waterline cockpit drains were eliminated and replaced with through the transom above waterline drains, the old style mast-section compression post was replaced with a stainless steel tube, the forestay is moved back slightly off the bow to allow room for a nav light, gelcoat boot and sheer stripes were replaced with vinyl decal stripes, and the spreaders are now fixed instead of folding. The outboard bracket was upgraded to a 4cycle ready adjustable mount. And the forward vberth cushion is 1 piece instead of the 2 used on earlier boats. I've seen pictures of new M17's being built with oval/round opening cabin windows, nice touch! Each model has its own advantages and disadvantages, but all are great boats! Bill's photo site has great pictures of all the variations http://www.msogphotosite.com/index.html , and http://sailing.bobstaco.com has some detailed pictures of the rebuild of our 1988 4-berth model. Randy G. ________________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde [gmhyde1@mac.com] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:47 PM To: danielarichman@gmail.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Removing M17 Galley Dan: Are you aware of the two major different centerboard designs in the M17? The earlier cast iron board and the later fiberglass board and greater fixed ballast? Randy Graves can give you the transition date. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' On Nov 8, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Dan Richman wrote:

I am in very much the market for a Montgomery 17, but in two weeks of intensive searching have turned up only models that have the galley. Today, having actually sat inside an M17 for the first time, my wife and I realized the galley model will not accommodate us. There is simply no room for two people to sit face-to-face, and we consider that a requirement.

That leaves us three choices: (1) continuing to search for a non- galley model, (2) order a new boat, or (3) remove the galley from a galley model.

I would welcome this group's opinions as the wisdom, feasibility and cost of of Option 3: removing the galley from a galley model.

I imagine replacing the galley assembly with a horizontal length of fiberglass that would mirror the starboard side in appearance and function.

I've found nothing in the archives about this. If I've missed a thread, forgive me.

Thanks very much for your collective wisdom.

Dan and Jo Marie Richman Shoreline (Seattle), Wash. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:10:39 -0600 From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic@math.wisc.edu> Subject: M_Boats: Vinyl decal stripes To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <4E0BBF1C-410B-45DE-B56F-A7C48A44C8CF@math.wisc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hi all, my 1982 M-17 has no sheer stripe, and I was thinking of adding one. Do you know where I could buy a decal one, perhaps with the name and the "Montgomery 17" logo on it? Does Bob Eeg sell them? That would make my life much simpler than trying to paint the name on the boat! (But much more complicated because I need to choose a color... decisions, decisions. What color goes well with a cream colored hull?) Thanks, Andrei. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:37:25 -0800 (PST) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vinyl decal stripes To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <586662.15612.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 andrei: ? i'm partial to blue ... see SCRED's www. ? ? dave scobie M15 #288 - SCRED visit Scred's www-site: http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred' --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Andrei Caldararu <andreic@math.wisc.edu> wrote: my 1982 M-17 has no sheer stripe ... What color goes well with a cream colored hull?) ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:41:24 -0800 From: Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1@mac.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vinyl decal stripes To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <EABCDDC5-5907-4E3F-9C05-9B6E78FB51E0@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Bob Eeg hire a guy who puts to sheer stripe color of your choice on the boat in a matter of minutes. He uses self-stick vinyl tape. He is I think a sign maker in his other life. Also, Bob uses a vinyl decal for the "Montgomery 17". Contact Bob. He can help. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' On Nov 9, 2008, at 6:10 PM, Andrei Caldararu wrote:

Hi all,

my 1982 M-17 has no sheer stripe, and I was thinking of adding one. Do you know where I could buy a decal one, perhaps with the name and the "Montgomery 17" logo on it? Does Bob Eeg sell them? That would make my life much simpler than trying to paint the name on the boat! (But much more complicated because I need to choose a color... decisions, decisions. What color goes well with a cream colored hull?)

Thanks,

Andrei.

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------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:44:51 -0600 From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic@math.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vinyl decal stripes To: wdscobie@yahoo.com, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <27ACA3BC-9035-4C1D-830D-D68994C031AF@math.wisc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Blue is beautiful, but your boat is much whiter than mine; mine is a lot "cream"-ier; the waterline stripe is *brown* (not a very nice color, I'd say, but what can I do...) Here's a photo of it on the water http://www.math.wisc.edu/~andreic/SDIM0569_FULL.jpg Andrei. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:46:20 -0600 From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic@math.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vinyl decal stripes To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <783868FB-2F49-43A1-A6F5-9949BD5DDBB4@math.wisc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Do you know if Bob is following this list? Or should I e-mail him directly? I can't use his guy, unless I'm willing to pay for his $2000 airplane ticket to Wisconsin... Andrei. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 69, Issue 16 ************************************************