Shipping an M-17

19 Jun 2013

      We towed our M17 with a V6 Honda Pilot from California where we bought it to Tucson with no problem but there are no big grades on that stretch of I-10.  We launched with a V6 Rav4 but the trailer hitch is much too low for long distance towing.  Road trips are fun - go for it if you have the time.    Janis ----- Original Message -----
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Today's Topics: 

   1. Shipping of a M17 (Becky Belding) 
   2. Re: Shipping of a M17 (pam and dana) 
   3. Re: Shipping of a M17 (W David Scobie) 
   4. Center-board for 23' (Todd Bradley) 
   5. Re: Shipping of a M17 (Becky Belding) 
   6. Re: Shipping of a M17 (Becky Belding) 
   7. Re: Shipping of a M17 (W David Scobie) 
   8. Any M17s out there? (janisaz@comcast.net) 
   9. Re: Shipping of a M17 (John Schinnerer) 
  10. Re: Shipping of a M17 (Rik Sandberg) 
  11. Re: Shipping of a M17 (Becky Belding) 
  12. Re: M15 Porta potti measurement (W David Scobie) 
  13. Re: Shipping of a M17 (John Schinnerer) 

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Message: 1 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:50:46 -0700 
From: Becky Belding <becky@beckybelding.com> 
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Subject: M_Boats: Shipping of a M17 
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I am wondering if anyone has suggestions/experience with hiring a shipping company to transport a M17 from another state? 
Many thanks, 
Becky 

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Message: 2 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:02:23 -0700 
From: pam and dana <denko@broadstripe.net> 
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Becky 
If you have access to a big enough truck (midsize) they are extremely   
easy to tow.  We bought our boat in northern Calif., bought new tires   
for it, then towed it to north of Seattle without any problems. Plus,   
it was a fun "road trip".  Cheaper than paying a shipper. 

Pam 

On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:50 AM, Becky Belding wrote:
...
I am wondering if anyone has suggestions/experience with hiring a   
shipping company to transport a M17 from another state? 
Many thanks, 
Becky
Sent from my iPad
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Message: 3 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:26:12 -0700 (PDT) 
From: W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> 
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Shipping of a M17 
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Becky: 

how far are you wanting to haul?? from where to, i'm guessing, Portland OR. 

as Pam wrote you don't need 'big truck' abilities.  any vehicle that can handle up to 2500 lbs and a tongue weight up to 250 lbs is adequate. 

:: Dave Scobie 

--- On Wed, 6/19/13, Becky Belding <becky@beckybelding.com> wrote:
...
I am wondering if anyone has 
suggestions/experience with hiring a shipping company to 
transport a M17 from another state? 
Many thanks, 
Becky
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Message: 4 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:31:24 -0700 
From: "Todd Bradley" <todd@btbuilders.net> 
To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" 
        <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: M_Boats: Center-board for 23' 
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Hi Jerry - I wanted to follow up and see if you received my previous 
posting. I would like to take you up on your offer and buy the CB from you. 

You can e-mail me directly todd@btbuilders.net or call me @ 916-616-6870 if 
you prefer. 

Please let me know and we can set up a time when I can come down and pick it 
up. Hopefully soon, as I put the boat-yard on hold yesterday pending picking 
up your CB. 

Thanks! 

Todd 

Todd Bradley 

 <mailto:toddbradley@surewest.net> todd@btbuilders.net 

Cell 916-616-6870 

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Message: 5 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:34:55 -0700 
From: "Becky Belding" <becky@beckybelding.com> 
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Shipping of a M17 
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Thank you for your input...from Colorado to Portland. 
Becky 

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Scobie 
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:26 AM 
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Shipping of a M17 

Becky: 

how far are you wanting to haul?? from where to, i'm guessing, Portland OR. 

as Pam wrote you don't need 'big truck' abilities.  any vehicle that can 
handle up to 2500 lbs and a tongue weight up to 250 lbs is adequate. 

:: Dave Scobie 

--- On Wed, 6/19/13, Becky Belding <becky@beckybelding.com> wrote:
...
I am wondering if anyone has 
suggestions/experience with hiring a shipping company to transport a 
M17 from another state? 
Many thanks, 
Becky
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Message: 6 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:41:20 +0000 
From: "Becky Belding" <becky@beckybelding.com> 
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Shipping of a M17 
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I would looove a fun road trip to pick up the M17...believe me! But this is Colorado to Portland...thank you Pam! :) 
Becky 
Sent via Becky's BlackBerry 

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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Shipping of a M17 

Becky 
If you have access to a big enough truck (midsize) they are extremely   
easy to tow.  We bought our boat in northern Calif., bought new tires   
for it, then towed it to north of Seattle without any problems. Plus,   
it was a fun "road trip".  Cheaper than paying a shipper. 

Pam 

On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:50 AM, Becky Belding wrote:
...
I am wondering if anyone has suggestions/experience with hiring a   
shipping company to transport a M17 from another state? 
Many thanks, 
Becky
Sent from my iPad
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Message: 7 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:03:14 -0700 (PDT) 
From: W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> 
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Shipping of a M17 
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Becky: 

did you buy the M17 that was for sale in Estes Park?  depending on your driving patterns the trip can be done in six/seven days ... maybe even five if you drive long days and switch with a co-pilot. 

very good road between Portland and Colorado.  i've driven all the Interstates you would travel in the past two years ... with boats in tow. 

man ... if i could 'haul a double' next month i would helping you out.? i'm going from Golden, CO, to Monterey, CA, for the Cruiser Challenge and then heading up to Port Townsend, WA. 

consider uShip - www.uship.com 

or do an internet search for 'boat shipping colorado'.? (i just did this search and found _lots_ and received lots of hits. 

shipping is a matter of how fast (quicker = more $) and what type of transport (enclosed trailer ($$$), flatbed ($$) or behind the hauler's truck using boat's trailer ($)).? the arrangements are not difficult once you figure out how much $ you are willing to pay.? i shipped a customer's boat overseas with no difficulty (couple of phone calls, couple of emails, and FAX). 

if you wish to collect her yourself the M17 tows very well (good manners and not 'super heavy'). 

:: Dave Scobie 

--- On Wed, 6/19/13, Becky Belding <becky@beckybelding.com> wrote:
...
Thank you for your input...from 
Colorado to Portland. 
Becky
-----Original Message----- 
From: On Behalf Of W David Scobie 
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:26 AM
Becky:
how far are you wanting to haul?? from where to, i'm 
guessing, Portland OR.
as Pam wrote you don't need 'big truck' abilities.? any 
vehicle that can 
handle up to 2500 lbs and a tongue weight up to 250 lbs is 
adequate. 

:: Dave Scobie
--- On Wed, 6/19/13, Becky Belding <becky@beckybelding.com> 
wrote:
...
I am wondering if anyone has 
suggestions/experience with hiring a shipping company 
to transport a 
M17 from another state? 
Many thanks, 
Becky
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Message: 8 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:15:01 +0000 (UTC) 
From: janisaz@comcast.net 
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Subject: M_Boats: Any M17s out there? 
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Yes, lots I suspect.?? We are a NAFTA? M17- ?permanent home in Tucson, sail in Lake Havasu and Mexico and currently moo r ed in British Columbia on Howe Sound.?? I understand there was a recent small fleet who w ent from Fri day Harbor to Desolation Sound.? 

Janis Johnson 

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?? 1. IDA Rudder (Theodore Weidenbach) 
?? 2. Re: IDA Rudder (Rick Davies) 
?? 3. Re: Wanted to buy: M12 (stevetrapp) 
?? 4. Re: Wanted to buy: M12 (wcampion@aol.com) 
?? 5. Re: Wanted to buy: M12 (wcampion@aol.com) 
?? 6. Re: Wanted to buy: M12 (stevetrapp) 
?? 7. Re: IDA Rudder (W David Scobie) 
?? 8. Re: Wanted to buy: M12 (W David Scobie) 
?? 9. Re: Scams (bownez@juno.com) 
??10. Re: Wanted to buy: M12 (Becky Belding) 
??11. Re: IDA Rudder (Thomas Buzzi) 
??12. Re: Wanted to buy: M12 (Thomas Buzzi) 
??13. Re: Wanted to buy: M12 (Thomas Buzzi) 
??14. Re: Wanted to buy: M12 (Stan Susman) 
??15. Re: Wanted to buy: M12 (wcampion@aol.com) 
??16. Re: Wanted to buy: M12 (Becky Belding) 
??17. Portland Oregon (Becky Belding) 
??18. Re: Portland Oregon (Tony Cox) 

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Message: 1 
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:02:54 -0500 
From: Theodore Weidenbach <weid0069@umn.edu> 
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Subject: M_Boats: IDA Rudder 
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HI all, 

I am considering buying an IDA rudder. ?Is it worth it? ?I feel like my 
rudder assembly is weak and bends and twists, doesn't feel very strong. 
?Would you consider the IDA (ruddercraft) rudder to be better? 

Any suggestions and opinions are welcome! 
Thanks, 
ted 

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Message: 2 
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:31:41 -0400 
From: Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> 
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: IDA Rudder 
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Hi Ted, 

I bought a Ruddercraft Unifoil kickup rudder for my M17 this spring, and so 
far have nothing but good to say about it. ?It's solidly built and easy to 
raise and lower. ?The hydraulic spring piston holds it down, and, after 
hitting an obstruction (like the bottom), it returns to vertical by itself. 
?It replaced an older manual IdaSailer rudder, and there's no comparison. 
?Ruddercraft is also a good company to do business with. ?Are you putting 
it on an M17? 

Rick 
M17 #633 
Lynne L 

On Tuesday, June 18, 2013, Theodore Weidenbach wrote:
...
HI all,
I am considering buying an IDA rudder. ?Is it worth it? ?I feel like my 
rudder assembly is weak and bends and twists, doesn't feel very strong. 
?Would you consider the IDA (ruddercraft) rudder to be better?
Any suggestions and opinions are welcome! 
Thanks, 
ted
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Message: 3 
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 18:42:11 -0700 
From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> 
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" 
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 
Message-ID: <8004A6C7E66E46DA9309D797354C722D@STEVEEW> 
Content-Type: text/plain;????????charset="iso-8859-1" 

?? ?Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat? ?Got a photo to e-mail? 
?? ?I didn't know Montgomery made a 12. ?I know the 10 is a dingy, and the 15, 17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. 
Thanx, 
Steve 
M-15 # 335 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stan Susman" <stanpfa@pacbell.net> 
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:10 PM 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 

Charlie, 
I know of a nice one but its in California 

Sent from my iPhone 

On Jun 18, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Charlie Fortner <charlie@rentrof.net> wrote:
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Hi all,
I'm looking to buy an M12 dinghy. I'm in Atlanta, Georgia, and willing to travel. Please contact me if you have an M12 for sale. I can be reached at <charlie@rentrof.net>.
Charlie
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Message: 4 
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:01:35 -0400 (EDT) 
From: wcampion@aol.com 
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 
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Steve, 

Here is a link to an M-12. ?It's an old listing, however, it should give you a pretty good idea of the type of boat you are looking for. ?I do believe the M-12 is considered a dink. 

http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery12101.html? 

Skip 

-----Original Message----- 
From: stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 9:43 pm 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 

?? ?Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat? ?Got a photo to e-mail? 
?? ?I didn't know Montgomery made a 12. ?I know the 10 is a dingy, and the 15, 
17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. 
Thanx, 
Steve 
M-15 # 335 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stan Susman" <stanpfa@pacbell.net> 
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:10 PM 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 

Charlie, 
I know of a nice one but its in California 

Sent from my iPhone 

On Jun 18, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Charlie Fortner <charlie@rentrof.net> wrote:
...
Hi all,
I'm looking to buy an M12 dinghy. I'm in Atlanta, Georgia, and willing to 
travel. Please contact me if you have an M12 for sale. I can be reached at 
<charlie@rentrof.net>.
Charlie
? 

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Message: 5 
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:12:30 -0400 (EDT) 
From: wcampion@aol.com 
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 
Message-ID: <8D03AA9964E1F70-68C-24007@webmail-m156.sysops.aol.com> 
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Try this link................ 

http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery12101 

Skip 

-----Original Message----- 
From: wcampion <wcampion@aol.com> 
To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 10:02 pm 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 

Steve, 

Here is a link to an M-12. ?It's an old listing, however, it should give you a 
pretty good idea of the type of boat you are looking for. ?I do believe the M-12 
is considered a dink. 

http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery12101.html? 

Skip 

-----Original Message----- 
From: stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 9:43 pm 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 

?? ?Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat? ?Got a photo to e-mail? 
?? ?I didn't know Montgomery made a 12. ?I know the 10 is a dingy, and the 15, 
17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. 
Thanx, 
Steve 
M-15 # 335 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stan Susman" <stanpfa@pacbell.net> 
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:10 PM 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 

Charlie, 
I know of a nice one but its in California 

Sent from my iPhone 

On Jun 18, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Charlie Fortner <charlie@rentrof.net> wrote:
...
Hi all,
I'm looking to buy an M12 dinghy. I'm in Atlanta, Georgia, and willing to 
travel. Please contact me if you have an M12 for sale. I can be reached at 
<charlie@rentrof.net>.
Charlie
? 

? 

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Message: 6 
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:26:31 -0700 
From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> 
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" 
????????<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 
Message-ID: <DE402699324A46B1A1CB81F2BB6F2EDE@STEVEEW> 
Content-Type: text/plain;????????charset="utf-8" 

Thanx, 
Steve 
M-15 # 335 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <wcampion@aol.com> 
To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:12 PM 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 

Try this link................ 

http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery12101 

Skip 

-----Original Message----- 
From: wcampion <wcampion@aol.com> 
To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 10:02 pm 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 

Steve, 

Here is a link to an M-12. ?It's an old listing, however, it should give you a 
pretty good idea of the type of boat you are looking for. ?I do believe the M-12 
is considered a dink. 

http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery12101.html? 

Skip 

-----Original Message----- 
From: stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 9:43 pm 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 

?? ?Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat? ?Got a photo to e-mail? 
?? ?I didn't know Montgomery made a 12. ?I know the 10 is a dingy, and the 15, 
17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. 
Thanx, 
Steve 
M-15 # 335 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stan Susman" <stanpfa@pacbell.net> 
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:10 PM 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 

Charlie, 
I know of a nice one but its in California 

Sent from my iPhone 

On Jun 18, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Charlie Fortner <charlie@rentrof.net> wrote:
...
Hi all,
I'm looking to buy an M12 dinghy. I'm in Atlanta, Georgia, and willing to 
travel. Please contact me if you have an M12 for sale. I can be reached at 
<charlie@rentrof.net>.
Charlie
? 

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Message: 7 
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:04:51 -0700 (PDT) 
From: W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats 
????????<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: IDA Rudder 
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Ted: 

my guess, as i can't remember from your prior posts, is you have an M15 ... and the old M17 rudders are one piece are one solid piece of mahogany. 

i'm guessing that your rudder compression posts need to be tightened just a bit. ?if the cheeks are just a bit too loose if feels as if the rudder and/or tiller is bending. ?what is really happen is there is just a little slop between the three components (tiller, cheeks, rudder). 

turn all the bolts about 1/16th of a turn and see if this helps. if not enough turn another 1/16th. ?tighten so the tiller can still raise/lower the rudder. this will better compress the cheeks and make the tiller-to-rudder connection more firm. 

:: Dave Scobie 
:: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred 
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com 

--- On Tue, 6/18/13, Theodore Weidenbach <weid0069@umn.edu> wrote:
...
HI all,
I am considering buying an IDA rudder.? Is it worth 
it?? I feel like my 
rudder assembly is weak and bends and twists, doesn't feel 
very strong. 
?Would you consider the IDA (ruddercraft) rudder to be 
better?
Any suggestions and opinions are welcome! 
Thanks, 
ted
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Message: 8 
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:07:53 -0700 (PDT) 
From: W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats 
????????<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 
Message-ID: 
????????<1371611273.98349.YahooMailClassic@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 

correct, the M12 is considered one of Jerry's 'dinks'. 

:: Dave Scobie 

--- On Tue, 6/18/13, wcampion@aol.com <wcampion@aol.com> wrote:
...
...
I do believe the M-12 is 
considered a dink.
...
Skip
-----Original Message----- 
From: stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> 
Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 9:43 pm
? ? Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat?? 
Got a photo to e-mail? 
? ? I didn't know Montgomery made a 12.? I 
know the 10 is a dingy, and the 15, 
17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. 
Thanx, 
Steve 
M-15 # 335
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Message: 9 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 03:44:46 GMT 
From: "bownez@juno.com" <bownez@juno.com> 
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Scams 
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Classic scam Connie. 
They follow a pattern. 
Run away. 
Thanks for letting us know your experience (again!). 

Buddy Bones 

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Message: 10 
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:17:39 -0700 
From: "Becky Belding" <becky@beckybelding.com> 
To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" 
????????<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 
Message-ID: <015d01ce6cac$52167020$f6435060$@com> 
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Excuse me....I am not sure exactly how to post to you all. I apologize for 
the interruption in your communications. 
Has anyone had especially good experience having a M17 shipped/transported 
from another state? 
Suggestions? 
Becky 

-----Original Message----- 
From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com 
[mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of W David 
Scobie 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:08 PM 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 

correct, the M12 is considered one of Jerry's 'dinks'. 

:: Dave Scobie 

--- On Tue, 6/18/13, wcampion@aol.com <wcampion@aol.com> wrote:
...
...
I do believe the M-12 is 
considered a dink.
...
Skip
-----Original Message----- 
From: stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> 
Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 9:43 pm
? ? Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat? Got a photo to e-mail? 
? ? I didn't know Montgomery made a 12.? I know the 10 is a dingy, and 
the 15, 17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. 
Thanx, 
Steve 
M-15 # 335
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Message: 11 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:33:40 -0500 
From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats 
????????<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: IDA Rudder 
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Rick, 
Glad your new rudder is working out for you. I haven't installed your old 
one yet. May get one of those new fangled ones myself some day. 
Regards, 
Tom 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
...
Hi Ted,
I bought a Ruddercraft Unifoil kickup rudder for my M17 this spring, and so 
far have nothing but good to say about it. ?It's solidly built and easy to 
raise and lower. ?The hydraulic spring piston holds it down, and, after 
hitting an obstruction (like the bottom), it returns to vertical by itself. 
?It replaced an older manual IdaSailer rudder, and there's no comparison. 
?Ruddercraft is also a good company to do business with. ?Are you putting 
it on an M17?
Rick 
M17 #633 
Lynne L
On Tuesday, June 18, 2013, Theodore Weidenbach wrote:
...
HI all,
I am considering buying an IDA rudder. ?Is it worth it? ?I feel like my 
rudder assembly is weak and bends and twists, doesn't feel very strong. 
?Would you consider the IDA (ruddercraft) rudder to be better?
Any suggestions and opinions are welcome! 
Thanks, 
ted
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Message: 12 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:35:04 -0500 
From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats 
????????<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 
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Can you put a sail on the ten or is it definitely designed as a dinghy 
only? I guess leeboards would be attached somehow. 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
...
? ? Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat? ?Got a photo to e-mail? 
? ? I didn't know Montgomery made a 12. ?I know the 10 is a dingy, and the 
15, 17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. 
Thanx, 
Steve 
M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stan Susman" <stanpfa@pacbell.net> 
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < 
montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:10 PM 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12
Charlie, 
I know of a nice one but its in California
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 18, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Charlie Fortner <charlie@rentrof.net> wrote:
...
Hi all,
I'm looking to buy an M12 dinghy. I'm in Atlanta, Georgia, and willing 
to travel. Please contact me if you have an M12 for sale. I can be reached 
at <charlie@rentrof.net>.
Charlie
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Message: 13 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:37:18 -0500 
From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats 
????????<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 
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That sure is one pretty little boat. I think a gentleman up in Missouri has 
one of those 12's for sale. He did last year anyway. 
Tom M-17 "waitin on a name". 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM, <wcampion@aol.com> wrote:
...
Steve,
Here is a link to an M-12. ?It's an old listing, however, it should give 
you a pretty good idea of the type of boat you are looking for. ?I do 
believe the M-12 is considered a dink.
http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery12101.html
Skip
-----Original Message----- 
From: stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < 
montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 9:43 pm 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12
? ? Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat? ?Got a photo to e-mail? 
? ? I didn't know Montgomery made a 12. ?I know the 10 is a dingy, and the 
15, 
17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. 
Thanx, 
Steve 
M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stan Susman" <stanpfa@pacbell.net> 
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < 
montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:10 PM 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12
Charlie, 
I know of a nice one but its in California
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 18, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Charlie Fortner <charlie@rentrof.net> wrote:
...
Hi all,
I'm looking to buy an M12 dinghy. I'm in Atlanta, Georgia, and willing to 
travel. Please contact me if you have an M12 for sale. I can be reached at 
<charlie@rentrof.net>.
Charlie
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Message: 14 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 05:39:58 -0700 (PDT) 
From: Stan Susman <stanpfa@pacbell.net> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats 
????????<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 
Message-ID: 
????????<1371645598.6307.YahooMailNeo@web184701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 

The 10 is a fine sailing dingy 

________________________________ 
?From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 5:35 AM 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 
? 

Can you put a sail on the ten or is it definitely designed as a dinghy 
only? I guess leeboards would be attached somehow. 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
...
? ? ?Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat?? Got a photo to e-mail? 
? ? ?I didn't know Montgomery made a 12.? I know the 10 is a dingy, and the 
15, 17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. 
Thanx, 
Steve 
M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stan Susman" <stanpfa@pacbell.net> 
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < 
montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:10 PM 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12
Charlie, 
I know of a nice one but its in California
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 18, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Charlie Fortner <charlie@rentrof.net> wrote:
...
Hi all,
I'm looking to buy an M12 dinghy. I'm in Atlanta, Georgia, and willing 
to travel. Please contact me if you have an M12 for sale. I can be reached 
at <charlie@rentrof.net>.
Charlie
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Message: 15 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:56:54 -0400 (EDT) 
From: wcampion@aol.com 
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 
Message-ID: <8D03B039BC72662-1190-2FA06@webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 

The M-12 I saw last year in Missouri was a bit rough from what I remember. ?I already had 2 project boats, so I decided to pass on the M-12 project. ? 

As far as the M-10 goes. ?I have one and it is definitely a sailing dinghy. ?It's a real nice sailing boat that is easily rigged and very responsive. ?Very fun to sail on a nice afternoon on the lake. 

Skip 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Sent: Wed, Jun 19, 2013 8:38 am 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 

That sure is one pretty little boat. I think a gentleman up in Missouri has 
ne of those 12's for sale. He did last year anyway. 
om M-17 "waitin on a name". 

n Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM, <wcampion@aol.com> wrote:
...
?Steve, 

?Here is a link to an M-12. ?It's an old listing, however, it should give 
?you a pretty good idea of the type of boat you are looking for. ?I do 
?believe the M-12 is considered a dink. 

?http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery12101.html 

?Skip 

?-----Original Message----- 
?From: stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> 
?To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < 
?montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
?Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 9:43 pm 
?Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 

?? ? Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat? ?Got a photo to e-mail? 
?? ? I didn't know Montgomery made a 12. ?I know the 10 is a dingy, and the 
?15, 
?17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. 
?Thanx, 
?Steve 
?M-15 # 335 

?----- Original Message ----- 
?From: "Stan Susman" <stanpfa@pacbell.net> 
?To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < 
?montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
?Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:10 PM 
?Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 

?Charlie, 
?I know of a nice one but its in California 

?Sent from my iPhone 

?On Jun 18, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Charlie Fortner <charlie@rentrof.net> wrote: 

?> Hi all, 
?> 
?> I'm looking to buy an M12 dinghy. I'm in Atlanta, Georgia, and willing to 
?travel. Please contact me if you have an M12 for sale. I can be reached at 
?<charlie@rentrof.net>. 
?> 
?> 
?> Charlie 
?> 
?> 

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Message: 16 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:35:43 +0000 
From: "Becky Belding" <becky@beckybelding.com> 
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" 
????????<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 
Message-ID: 
????????<1242872436-1371648942-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2022866773-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> 
???????? 
Content-Type: text/plain 

Portland OR...I am wondering if there are any M17 owners here? 
Thank you! 
Becky 
Sent via Becky's BlackBerry 

-----Original Message----- 
From: wcampion@aol.com 
Sender: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:56:54 
To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Reply-To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats 
????????<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 

The M-12 I saw last year in Missouri was a bit rough from what I remember. ?I already had 2 project boats, so I decided to pass on the M-12 project. ? 

As far as the M-10 goes. ?I have one and it is definitely a sailing dinghy. ?It's a real nice sailing boat that is easily rigged and very responsive. ?Very fun to sail on a nice afternoon on the lake. 

Skip 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Sent: Wed, Jun 19, 2013 8:38 am 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 

That sure is one pretty little boat. I think a gentleman up in Missouri has 
ne of those 12's for sale. He did last year anyway. 
om M-17 "waitin on a name". 

n Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM, <wcampion@aol.com> wrote:
...
?Steve, 

?Here is a link to an M-12. ?It's an old listing, however, it should give 
?you a pretty good idea of the type of boat you are looking for. ?I do 
?believe the M-12 is considered a dink. 

?http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery12101.html 

?Skip 

?-----Original Message----- 
?From: stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> 
?To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < 
?montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
?Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 9:43 pm 
?Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 

?? ? Is the 12 a dingy or a small sailboat? ?Got a photo to e-mail? 
?? ? I didn't know Montgomery made a 12. ?I know the 10 is a dingy, and the 
?15, 
?17, & 23 are sailboats, but I didn't know about a 12. 
?Thanx, 
?Steve 
?M-15 # 335 

?----- Original Message ----- 
?From: "Stan Susman" <stanpfa@pacbell.net> 
?To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < 
?montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
?Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:10 PM 
?Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wanted to buy: M12 

?Charlie, 
?I know of a nice one but its in California 

?Sent from my iPhone 

?On Jun 18, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Charlie Fortner <charlie@rentrof.net> wrote: 

?> Hi all, 
?> 
?> I'm looking to buy an M12 dinghy. I'm in Atlanta, Georgia, and willing to 
?travel. Please contact me if you have an M12 for sale. I can be reached at 
?<charlie@rentrof.net>. 
?> 
?> 
?> Charlie 
?> 
?> 

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Message: 17 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 06:54:46 -0700 
From: Becky Belding <becky@beckybelding.com> 
To: "montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com" 
????????<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: M_Boats: Portland Oregon 
Message-ID: <6AEBF6C7-259A-4A2D-9B9E-73F8A9FA3293@beckybelding.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain;????????charset=us-ascii 

Are there any M17 owners here? 
Becky 

Sent from my iPad 

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Message: 18 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:08:53 -0700 
From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg@gmail.com> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats 
????????<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Portland Oregon 
Message-ID: <4634FCEB-3BC5-4B89-A364-9C61D7835FB1@gmail.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain;????????charset=us-ascii 

The woods is full of em, Becky. I am a M17 owner just south of you in Silverton, Or. 
Tony Cox 

Sent from my iPad 

On Jun 19, 2013, at 6:54 AM, Becky Belding <becky@beckybelding.com> wrote:
...
Are there any M17 owners here? 
Becky
Sent from my iPad
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Message: 9 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:49:54 -0700 
From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats 
        <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Shipping of a M17 
Message-ID: <51C1E132.3010602@eco-living.net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed 

You can hire independent haulers/operators through for example uship.com 
and similar operations - my brother had a trailer brought from VT to CA 
this way. 

cheers, 
John S. 

On 06/19/2013 07:50 AM, Becky Belding wrote:
...
I am wondering if anyone has suggestions/experience with hiring a shipping company to transport a M17 from another state? 
Many thanks, 
Becky
Sent from my iPad
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-------------------------------------------- 
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Whole Systems Design Services 
People - Place - Learning - Integration 
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Message: 10 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 12:02:40 -0500 
From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico1@gmail.com> 
To: john@eco-living.net, For and about Montgomery Sailboats 
        <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Shipping of a M17 
Message-ID: 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 

Becky, 

So, are you saying that you don't tow your boat now? 

One mile is pretty much no different than the rest. Just more of them in a 
row. 

We used to tow our Rhodes 22, 4700 lb tow weight, with a Chevy S-10. Towed 
it to Kentucky lake and back twice, 875 miles one way and never had a 
problem. An R-22 weighs almost twice what an M-17 weighs. 

I'd just hook it up and go. 

Rik 

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:49 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net>wrote:
...
You can hire independent haulers/operators through for example uship.comand similar operations - my brother had a trailer brought from VT to CA 
this way.
cheers, 
John S.
On 06/19/2013 07:50 AM, Becky Belding wrote:
...
I am wondering if anyone has suggestions/experience with hiring a 
shipping company to transport a M17 from another state? 
Many thanks, 
Becky
Sent from my iPad
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------------------------------**-------------- 
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Whole Systems Design Services 
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they do not work. Therefore we should not be surprised to find the left 
concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to 
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Message: 11 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:03:36 +0000 
From: "Becky Belding" <becky@beckybelding.com> 
To: john@eco-living.net, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" 
        <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Shipping of a M17 
Message-ID: 
        <877582520-1371661415-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-429124346-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> 

Content-Type: text/plain 

Thanks John...any chance you could find out which company he used? 
Becky 
Sent via Becky's BlackBerry 

-----Original Message----- 
From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> 
Sender: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:49:54 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Reply-To: john@eco-living.net, For and about Montgomery Sailboats 
        <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Shipping of a M17 

You can hire independent haulers/operators through for example uship.com 
and similar operations - my brother had a trailer brought from VT to CA 
this way. 

cheers, 
John S. 

On 06/19/2013 07:50 AM, Becky Belding wrote:
...
I am wondering if anyone has suggestions/experience with hiring a shipping company to transport a M17 from another state? 
Many thanks, 
Becky
Sent from my iPad
-- 
John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design 
-------------------------------------------- 
- Eco-Living - 
Whole Systems Design Services 
People - Place - Learning - Integration 
john@eco-living.net 
http://eco-living.net 
http://sociocracyconsulting.com 

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Message: 12 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:27:54 -0700 (PDT) 
From: W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats 
        <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Porta potti measurement 
Message-ID: 
        <1371662874.58338.YahooMailClassic@web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 

George: 

the Thetford Model TC 26104 Porta Pot is also known as the Thetford 135.  this is the potti that the Glessers have in the '86 M15.  i also had a 135 in my '84 M15. 

as Tom wrote the '135' unit has been discontinued.? Theford is making a replacement (model 260)???BUT the 'exact replacement' isn't an exact replacement!? the base is not the same size and will not fit in the M15. 

so ... do some Internet searching to see if you can find some remaining stock, or look for one that may fit (i haven't found one). 

the 'wag bag' system is an option - 

http://www.cleanwaste.com/demo/go-anywhere-toilet 

the 'toilet', when assembled, will not fit in the M15's potti-space when the v-berth cover is in place.? this means you need to set up the unit each time it is used. 

another option is to use the 'wag bags' in a bucket that is cut down to fit under the v-berth.? there are toilet seats made to fit on buckets and seal (do an Internet search for 'bucket toilet seat').
...
We can also hope Dave Scobie is not on a cruise, 
'cause he knows about all this stuff.
sadly i'm not on Larry Yake's annual San Juan and Gulf Is. cruise :-(? busy buildin' boats :-) (a good thing) 

--- On Sun, 6/16/13, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
...
Tim,
I have an M17 (Hull 626, 2004), but I imagine the opening 
for a porta potti is the same on both our models.? My 
Thetford Model TC 26104 Porta Pot just fits, although I 
don't know if it is still made.? It is 15" front to 
back, 12.5" wide, and 12" high (must be 2.5 gallons).? 
Thetford and SeaLand both make units of about that size, so 
I think you should measure your spot just to make sure 1/2" 
or so difference is not that critical. 
You might also look into the waste absorbent packs that were 
in vogue awhile back, if they are still 
available.???We can also hope Dave Scobie is 
not on a cruise, 'cause he knows about all this stuff.
Tom Jenkins 
June Lake, CA
On Jun 16, 2013, at 3:24 PM, Tim Erwin wrote:
...
Hello from the Texas Redneck Riviera 
The year model of my boat is a 2007. There is a recess 
where the porta potti should fit, I assume. I would 
appreciate it if someone could save me some time and just 
tell me make and model that fits. 
Thanks 
Tim Erwin. 2007 m15.? ( Dark Star ) # 641 
Rockport, Texas
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Message: 13 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:30:57 -0700 
From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats 
        <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Shipping of a M17 
Message-ID: <51C1EAD1.5070405@eco-living.net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed 

He went through uship.com - it is basically an online "brokerage" of 
sorts for independent haulers. You indicate what you want to 
move/ship/haul and from where to where and when and then haulers make 
offers/bids. So I could find out exactly who hauled his trailer, and, 
it's more about finding the right person for your needs rather than a 
specific hauler that did some other job for someone else (unless they 
happen to be a bidder on your job). 

cheers, 
John S. 

On 06/19/2013 10:03 AM, Becky Belding wrote:
...
Thanks John...any chance you could find out which company he used? 
Becky 
Sent via Becky's BlackBerry
-----Original Message----- 
From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> 
Sender: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:49:54 
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Reply-To: john@eco-living.net, For and about Montgomery Sailboats 
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Shipping of a M17
You can hire independent haulers/operators through for example uship.com 
and similar operations - my brother had a trailer brought from VT to CA 
this way.
cheers, 
John S.
On 06/19/2013 07:50 AM, Becky Belding wrote:
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I am wondering if anyone has suggestions/experience with hiring a shipping company to transport a M17 from another state? 
Many thanks, 
Becky
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