Bill, 100% mainsail luff engagement - bolt ropes rule! Another boltroper and d*mn proud of it! GO In a message dated 5/22/2009 6:55:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, wriker@mindspring.com writes: I am going to count this whole hassle as another checkmark in the boltrope column. Bill Riker M15 - #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jenkins Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:28 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast configuration Dave, I agree 2-3" is a little low if you are rigging and unrigging often. How about a short cutout just above where the boom rides, which in my boat is about a foot up? With a track stop above the opening, you could drop the sail and secure it without it shooting out of the slot, or let it all run out for unrigging with some turns of a thumbscrew. As for reefing, my cringles reach the boom over the pile of sail, but there is probably lots of variability among years and between the 15 and 17. There was a great thread about modifications to the mast a number of months ago, so I will seek them out. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 6:44 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast configuration SWEET PEA's (hull #375, 1983 build) mast has the 'opening' set very low ... 2-3" from the cabin-top. i find it anoying thus far as i must leave ALL slugs in when reefing (so the reef is set a bit 'high' IMO) and i must load the sail and then the boom ... this is a big PITA. the setup adds about 5 minutes to the rigging process. SCRED, my M15, has the opening much higher - at least 18" above the cabin-top. this allowed for putting the boom in place and then loading the main easily and quickly. reefing was also a cleaner operation. it seems at times many boats leave jerry's and bob's shop with 'own custom options'. dave scobie M17 #375 - sweet pea (http://www.m17-375.webs.com) M15 #288 - SCRED (for sale, http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote: Hello all, I assume the cutout on the M17 mast slot is designed to accomodate a boltrope main (by both size and location), but I find that it is not perfect for slugs. Among other things, one of my slugs falls right in the cutout on a double reef. Is there a reason why the cutout could not be, say, 8-12" from the mast bottom, assuming most newer boats come with slug-type sails? Thanks, Tom Jenkins _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! **************A strong credit score is 700 or above. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585033x1201462753/aol?redir=http... cd=Maystrongfooter52309NO115)
Hey Botropers. Don't you run into similar issues when you reef? That is, when you haul back to full sail, don't you have to coax the sail back into the groove?? Just curious. Mine main came with slugs. I have two slot stoppers that I work with. One to keep the boom at rest and the other to keep the slugs from accidently falling out. Not a perfect solution and certainly not the ease and convenience of the set up on my NorSea. Although I did like the idea raised by someone earlier that used bungee cord. Bob E, if you are viewing this, do you think you can provide the name of the mast maker and perhaps I can get them to make a removeable dam. Have a great weekend. Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: <GILASAILR@aol.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:45 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast configuration
Bill, 100% mainsail luff engagement - bolt ropes rule!
Another boltroper and d*mn proud of it!
GO
In a message dated 5/22/2009 6:55:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, wriker@mindspring.com writes:
I am going to count this whole hassle as another checkmark in the boltrope column.
Bill Riker M15 - #184 Storm Petrel
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jenkins Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:28 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast configuration
Dave,
I agree 2-3" is a little low if you are rigging and unrigging often. How about a short cutout just above where the boom rides, which in my boat is about a foot up? With a track stop above the opening, you could drop the sail and secure it without it shooting out of the slot, or let it all run out for unrigging with some turns of a thumbscrew. As for reefing, my cringles reach the boom over the pile of sail, but there is probably lots of
variability among years and between the 15 and 17. There was a great thread about modifications to the mast a number of months ago, so I will seek them out.
Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla
----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 6:44 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast configuration
SWEET PEA's (hull #375, 1983 build) mast has the 'opening' set very low ... 2-3" from the cabin-top. i find it anoying thus far as i must leave ALL slugs in when reefing (so the reef is set a bit 'high' IMO) and i must load the sail and then the boom ... this is a big PITA. the setup adds about 5 minutes to the rigging process.
SCRED, my M15, has the opening much higher - at least 18" above the cabin-top. this allowed for putting the boom in place and then loading the main easily and quickly. reefing was also a cleaner operation.
it seems at times many boats leave jerry's and bob's shop with 'own custom options'.
dave scobie M17 #375 - sweet pea (http://www.m17-375.webs.com) M15 #288 - SCRED (for sale, http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred
--- On Thu, 5/21/09, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Hello all, I assume the cutout on the M17 mast slot is designed to accomodate a boltrope main (by both size and location), but I find that it is not perfect
for slugs. Among other things, one of my slugs falls right in the cutout on a double reef. Is there a reason why the cutout could not be, say, 8-12" from the mast bottom, assuming most newer boats come with slug-type sails?
Thanks, Tom Jenkins
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Joe, My 2004 mast was made by Dwyer Masts at dwyermast.com. I think Bob might still be getting them there; there should be a sticker or plaque on your spars. I emailed yesterday trying to get the piece they cut out so I could weld it back in, or a short section of extrusion so I can take what I want. No word yet. Where I am sailing now I have to drop the main in a hurry at the really nasty marina entrance, so I am dropping the sail to a stop just above the grove. The circular bungees with a knob work as well or better. However, I like to keep the sail ready to go, under a sailcover, which requires moving all the slugs through the slots by hand twice on each cycle. As for the loose foot, you convinced me. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast configuration
Hey Botropers. Don't you run into similar issues when you reef? That is, when you haul back to full sail, don't you have to coax the sail back into the groove?? Just curious. Mine main came with slugs. I have two slot stoppers that I work with. One to keep the boom at rest and the other to keep the slugs from accidently falling out. Not a perfect solution and certainly not the ease and convenience of the set up on my NorSea. Although I did like the idea raised by someone earlier that used bungee cord. Bob E, if you are viewing this, do you think you can provide the name of the mast maker and perhaps I can get them to make a removeable dam. Have a great weekend. Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: <GILASAILR@aol.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:45 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast configuration
Bill, 100% mainsail luff engagement - bolt ropes rule!
Another boltroper and d*mn proud of it!
GO
In a message dated 5/22/2009 6:55:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, wriker@mindspring.com writes:
I am going to count this whole hassle as another checkmark in the boltrope column.
Bill Riker M15 - #184 Storm Petrel
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jenkins Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:28 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast configuration
Dave,
I agree 2-3" is a little low if you are rigging and unrigging often. How about a short cutout just above where the boom rides, which in my boat is about a foot up? With a track stop above the opening, you could drop the sail and secure it without it shooting out of the slot, or let it all run out for unrigging with some turns of a thumbscrew. As for reefing, my cringles reach the boom over the pile of sail, but there is probably lots of
variability among years and between the 15 and 17. There was a great thread about modifications to the mast a number of months ago, so I will seek them out.
Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla
----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 6:44 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast configuration
SWEET PEA's (hull #375, 1983 build) mast has the 'opening' set very low ... 2-3" from the cabin-top. i find it anoying thus far as i must leave ALL slugs in when reefing (so the reef is set a bit 'high' IMO) and i must load the sail and then the boom ... this is a big PITA. the setup adds about 5 minutes to the rigging process.
SCRED, my M15, has the opening much higher - at least 18" above the cabin-top. this allowed for putting the boom in place and then loading the main easily and quickly. reefing was also a cleaner operation.
it seems at times many boats leave jerry's and bob's shop with 'own custom options'.
dave scobie M17 #375 - sweet pea (http://www.m17-375.webs.com) M15 #288 - SCRED (for sale, http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred
--- On Thu, 5/21/09, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Hello all, I assume the cutout on the M17 mast slot is designed to accomodate a boltrope main (by both size and location), but I find that it is not perfect
for slugs. Among other things, one of my slugs falls right in the cutout on a double reef. Is there a reason why the cutout could not be, say, 8-12" from the mast bottom, assuming most newer boats come with slug-type sails?
Thanks, Tom Jenkins
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Joe do you now have a Nor'sea?? My wife and I are looking at bigger boats in a few years.? The Nor'sea 27 is on the top of the list.? There is one in town I'm going to check out when the owner comes home from cruising in Mexico. At your service Larry Pegg AC Electric 208 249 0538 -----Original Message----- From: Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 8:49 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast configuration Hey Botropers. Don't you run into similar issues when you reef? That is, when you haul back to full sail, don't you have to coax the sail back into the groove??? Just curious.? Mine main came with slugs. I have two slot stoppers that I work with. One to keep the boom at rest and the other to keep the slugs from accidently falling out. Not a perfect solution and certainly not the ease and convenience of the set up on my NorSea. Although I did like the idea raised by someone earlier that used bungee cord.? Bob E, if you are viewing this, do you think you can provide the name of the mast maker and perhaps I can get them to make a removeable dam.? Have a great weekend.? Joe? Seafrog M17? ----- Original Message ----- From: <GILASAILR@aol.com>? To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>? Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:45 AM? Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast configuration? ?
Bill,?
100% mainsail luff engagement - bolt ropes rule!?
?
Another boltroper and d*mn proud of it!?
?
GO?
?
?
?
?
?
?
In a message dated 5/22/2009 6:55:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,?
wriker@mindspring.com writes:?
?
I am going to count this whole hassle as another checkmark in the boltrope?
column.?
?
Bill Riker?
M15 - #184?
Storm Petrel?
?
-----Original Message-----?
From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com?
[mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom?
Jenkins?
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:28 PM?
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats?
Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast configuration?
?
Dave,?
?
I agree 2-3" is a little low if you are rigging and unrigging often. How?
about a short cutout just above where the boom rides, which in my boat is?
about a foot up? With a track stop above the opening, you could drop the?
sail and secure it without it shooting out of the slot, or let it all run?
out for unrigging with some turns of a thumbscrew. As for reefing, my?
cringles reach the boom over the pile of sail, but there is probably lots?
of?
?
variability among years and between the 15 and 17.?
There was a great thread about modifications to the mast a number of?
months?
ago, so I will seek them out.?
?
Tom Jenkins?
M17 Scintilla?
?
----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com>?
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"?
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>?
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 6:44 PM?
Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast configuration?
?
?
SWEET PEA's (hull #375, 1983 build) mast has the 'opening' set very low?
...?
2-3" from the cabin-top. i find it anoying thus far as i must leave ALL?
slugs in when reefing (so the reef is set a bit 'high' IMO) and i must?
load?
the sail and then the boom ... this is a big PITA. the setup adds about 5?
minutes to the rigging process.?
?
SCRED, my M15, has the opening much higher - at least 18" above the?
cabin-top. this allowed for putting the boom in place and then loading the?
main easily and quickly. reefing was also a cleaner operation.?
?
it seems at times many boats leave jerry's and bob's shop with 'own custom?
options'.?
?
?
dave scobie?
M17 #375 - sweet pea (http://www.m17-375.webs.com)?
M15 #288 - SCRED (for sale, http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred?
?
--- On Thu, 5/21/09, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:?
?
?
?
Hello all,?
I assume the cutout on the M17 mast slot is designed to accomodate a?
boltrope main (by both size and location), but I find that it is not?
perfect?
?
for slugs. Among other things, one of my slugs falls right in the cutout?
on?
a double reef. Is there a reason why the cutout could not be, say, 8-12"?
from the mast bottom, assuming most newer boats come with slug-type sails??
?
Thanks,?
Tom Jenkins?
?
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Larry, No, sad to say, I sold 'Seagray' last summer. I live off the coast of NC and the water is really shallow. The only time to sail the NorSea was to go out the Beaufort Inlet and sail into open Atlantic. But I was missing so much around here in the Pamlico and Albemarle Sounds. So I decided to get something that I could sail around here without having to be dead center in the ICW. Plus my wife isn't a blue water sailor. So that ruled out the winter passages to the islands. You'd love the NorSea. If you are searching try and find one that has the factory finished interior. Mine was a 91 and it was gorgeous. I had it in the slip for 4 years and it was dry as a bone inside. Nothing is second rate and all the rigging is overbuilt. They are truly one of the best constructed boats ever made. I could go on and on about how well they sail. But suffice it to say... it don't get no betta. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <larrypegg@aol.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: M_Boats: nor sea
Joe do you now have a Nor'sea?? My wife and I are looking at bigger boats in a few years.? The Nor'sea 27 is on the top of the list.? There is one in town I'm going to check out when the owner comes home from cruising in Mexico.
At your service
Larry Pegg AC Electric 208 249 0538
-----Original Message----- From: Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 8:49 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast configuration
Hey Botropers. Don't you run into similar issues when you reef? That is, when you haul back to full sail, don't you have to coax the sail back into the groove???
Just curious.?
Mine main came with slugs. I have two slot stoppers that I work with. One to keep the boom at rest and the other to keep the slugs from accidently falling out. Not a perfect solution and certainly not the ease and convenience of the set up on my NorSea. Although I did like the idea raised by someone earlier that used bungee cord.?
Bob E, if you are viewing this, do you think you can provide the name of the mast maker and perhaps I can get them to make a removeable dam.?
Have a great weekend.?
Joe?
Seafrog M17?
----- Original Message ----- From: <GILASAILR@aol.com>?
To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>?
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:45 AM?
Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast configuration? ?
Bill,?
100% mainsail luff engagement - bolt ropes rule!?
?
Another boltroper and d*mn proud of it!?
?
GO?
?
?
?
?
?
?
In a message dated 5/22/2009 6:55:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,?
wriker@mindspring.com writes:?
?
I am going to count this whole hassle as another checkmark in the boltrope?
column.?
?
Bill Riker?
M15 - #184?
Storm Petrel?
?
-----Original Message-----?
From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com?
[mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom?
Jenkins?
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:28 PM?
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats?
Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast configuration?
?
Dave,?
?
I agree 2-3" is a little low if you are rigging and unrigging often. How?
about a short cutout just above where the boom rides, which in my boat is?
about a foot up? With a track stop above the opening, you could drop the?
sail and secure it without it shooting out of the slot, or let it all run?
out for unrigging with some turns of a thumbscrew. As for reefing, my?
cringles reach the boom over the pile of sail, but there is probably lots?
of?
?
variability among years and between the 15 and 17.?
There was a great thread about modifications to the mast a number of?
months?
ago, so I will seek them out.?
?
Tom Jenkins?
M17 Scintilla?
?
----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com>?
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"?
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>?
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 6:44 PM?
Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast configuration?
?
?
SWEET PEA's (hull #375, 1983 build) mast has the 'opening' set very low?
...?
2-3" from the cabin-top. i find it anoying thus far as i must leave ALL?
slugs in when reefing (so the reef is set a bit 'high' IMO) and i must?
load?
the sail and then the boom ... this is a big PITA. the setup adds about 5?
minutes to the rigging process.?
?
SCRED, my M15, has the opening much higher - at least 18" above the?
cabin-top. this allowed for putting the boom in place and then loading the?
main easily and quickly. reefing was also a cleaner operation.?
?
it seems at times many boats leave jerry's and bob's shop with 'own custom?
options'.?
?
?
dave scobie?
M17 #375 - sweet pea (http://www.m17-375.webs.com)?
M15 #288 - SCRED (for sale, http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred?
?
--- On Thu, 5/21/09, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:?
?
?
?
Hello all,?
I assume the cutout on the M17 mast slot is designed to accomodate a?
boltrope main (by both size and location), but I find that it is not?
perfect?
?
for slugs. Among other things, one of my slugs falls right in the cutout?
on?
a double reef. Is there a reason why the cutout could not be, say, 8-12"?
from the mast bottom, assuming most newer boats come with slug-type sails??
?
Thanks,?
Tom Jenkins?
?
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