Can you give me an idea of the cost of a set of new sails and what material should they be made out of? Bonnie Kostka M15 montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com wrote: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Stepping M-17 mast (Rodney Holland) 2. stepping M 17 Mast (Rodney Holland) 3. Re: stepping M 17 Mast (Howard Audsley) 4. Re: stepping M 17 Mast (Tom Jenkins) 5. Re: stepping M 17 Mast (Tim Diebert) 6. M-15 sails (jim sadler) 7. Re: M-15 sails (wcampion@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:53 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Rodney Holland Subject: M_Boats: Stepping M-17 mast To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <28608875.1205325653787.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I joined your group about six weeks ago and have continued to read and enjoy your postings during that time but didn't post myself much because I had a delay in going to Alabama to pick my 17 up. If all goes well I'll be bringing it back to Texas and launching it next Tuesday. I plan to keep it in the water at our lake house so I won't be trailer sailing it much. It has been more years than I want to recall since I stepped a mast on a boat. Can any of you give me pointers or tips? I'll have my wife helping me so there will be 4 hands and one ample brain(hers). I glanced around in the archives and website but didn't come across any information. I'll bet that has to be there but I didn't come across it. Happy sailing! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:29:31 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Rodney Holland Subject: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <23529337.1205346571331.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:38:33 -0500 From: Howard Audsley Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: Rodney Holland , For and about Montgomery Sailboats Message-ID: <0715e02d987e35359057139f75c7b45d@tranquility.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'll relate what I do and I do it alone, so it works for me. If you have help, it's real easy and no stress at all on the beer wench. Assuming the mast is pinned to the mast support bracket, and mast crutch still in place (instead of rudder), and side stays hooked on and loose, so they don't bind, I put a snatch block on the forward fixture where the jib tack will be attached (right behind the pin for the forestay). A line (spare halyard or long dock line) hooks to the jib halyard, runs through the block and back to the cockpit. I put two wraps around the sheet winch (not the wench - remember, I do this alone). When I'm ready to hoist the mast, I have the line from the front handy, then push the mast up as far as I can with both hands...to the point of standing on the cockpit seats, then holding the mast up with one hand, use the other to gather in the slack so that the line is now holding the mast up. If you drop the mast holding hand, the line really tightens, but the mast doesn't drop much. I can then move forward a bit, raise some more mast, tighten, etc. About halfway up (45 degrees) you can then hoist it on up with the line alone. The shrouds (side stays) keep it from falling off to either side and the backstay stops it vertical. Tie off the line to the jib sheet cleats, then calmly walk forward to pin the forestay. Once that is pinned, tighten the turnbuckle to tension the rig. Do this procedure backwards to drop the mast. If you start out with about 3 wraps on the sheet winch, you can start letting out a little slack and the mast will start inching down. Past 45 degrees, that line will really tighten up, but you can eventually catch it to let it down easy. As is well documented, the M17 likes a good deal of mast rake. I'd guess if you hang a weight from the main halyard, it should hang out about 4 to 6 inches or so from the main tack on the gooseneck (assuming the boat is level.....put a level on the cockpit seats to level the boat while on the trailer). The right amount of mast rake will give you a little weather helm and she will point higher. That can be found on the msog.org site. Good luck and if this process blows up, I don't know where you heard it from! Howard M17 #278 "Audasea" On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Rodney Holland wrote:
I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!)
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------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:04:33 -0700 From: "Tom Jenkins" Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: "'Rodney Holland'" , "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" Message-ID: <0JXM0016SVWWS6S1@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rodney, I imagine it is the same thing you saw, but the MSOG site has a "How to and Specs" box, and the first subbox is "Hints, Tips, Advice.....". Under that is "mast raising and cradle systems" with "Mast raising: from the archives" containing a bunch of info. As usual, Montgomery owners are inventive. Sorry if this was redundant. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rodney Holland Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:30 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:45:48 -0700 From: "Tim Diebert" Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" Message-ID: <006101c884bc$ba2b5820$2e820860$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I use almost the same system as Howard except for one added piece of gear. I made a gin pole to gain some leverage on the tackle. I found the connecting points at the stem head and mast head were not giving me a comfortable control on the mast. By adding the triangulation I gained a lot of control and power. It does add to the time factor....but I can live with 10 minutes or so. Also, I have a pretty heavy tack shackle on the stemhead fitting so that makes it handy to just clip into the lower mainsheet block shackle. I then run the sheet through the jib halyard turning block and then onto the wench....I mean winch. Tim D Howard:I'll relate what I do and I do it alone, so it works for me. If you have help, it's real easy and no stress at all on the beer wench. Assuming the mast is pinned to the mast support bracket, and mast crutch still in place (instead of rudder), and side stays hooked on and loose, so they don't bind, I put a snatch block on the forward fixture where the jib tack will be attached (right behind the pin for the forestay). A line (spare halyard or long dock line) hooks to the jib halyard, runs through the block and back to the cockpit. I put two wraps around the sheet winch (not the wench - remember, I do this alone). When I'm ready to hoist the mast, I have the line from the front handy, then push the mast up as far as I can with both hands...to the point of standing on the cockpit seats, then holding the mast up with one hand, use the other to gather in the slack so that the line is now holding the mast up. If you drop the mast holding hand, the line really tightens, but the mast doesn't drop much. I can then move forward a bit, raise some more mast, tighten, etc. About halfway up (45 degrees) you can then hoist it on up with the line alone. The shrouds (side stays) keep it from falling off to either side and the backstay stops it vertical. Tie off the line to the jib sheet cleats, then calmly walk forward to pin the forestay. Once that is pinned, tighten the turnbuckle to tension the rig. Do this procedure backwards to drop the mast. If you start out with about 3 wraps on the sheet winch, you can start letting out a little slack and the mast will start inching down. Past 45 degrees, that line will really tighten up, but you can eventually catch it to let it down easy. As is well documented, the M17 likes a good deal of mast rake. I'd guess if you hang a weight from the main halyard, it should hang out about 4 to 6 inches or so from the main tack on the gooseneck (assuming the boat is level.....put a level on the cockpit seats to level the boat while on the trailer). The right amount of mast rake will give you a little weather helm and she will point higher. That can be found on the msog.org site. Good luck and if this process blows up, I don't know where you heard it from! Howard M17 #278 "Audasea" On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Rodney Holland wrote:
I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!)
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Hi Bonnie Montgomery 15 standard sails, White Dacron color - 3.8oz - Battens, Bolt rope, hanks and one extra line of reefs included: Main - 62 sq ft @ 4.25 per = 263.50 Jib - 42 sq ft @ 4.25 per = 178.50 Genoa - 140 sq ft @ 4.25per = 595.00 (appx. 130%) Montgomery 15 standard sails, Tanbark Dancron color - 3.8oz - Battens, Bolt rope, hanks and one line of reefs included: Main - 62 sq ft @ 4.75 per = 294.50 Jib - 42 sq ft @ 4.75 per = 199.50 Genoa - 140 sq ft @ 4.75per = 665.00 (appx. 130%) Plus shipping: We estimate shipping on main and jib to be appx. 30.00 and on all three appx. 40.00......we will only charge you whatever UPS ground charges amount to. Our turnaround time at the moment is running 10 to 12 weeks from date of the order.. We accept Visa or Mastercard only for payment.....no Discover or Am. Express.......will take money order, and funds must be paid with the order placement. Bill TCBoats.com billt@eastex.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Bonnie Kostka To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Sails Can you give me an idea of the cost of a set of new sails and what material should they be made out of? Bonnie Kostka M15 montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com wrote: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Stepping M-17 mast (Rodney Holland) 2. stepping M 17 Mast (Rodney Holland) 3. Re: stepping M 17 Mast (Howard Audsley) 4. Re: stepping M 17 Mast (Tom Jenkins) 5. Re: stepping M 17 Mast (Tim Diebert) 6. M-15 sails (jim sadler) 7. Re: M-15 sails (wcampion@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:53 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Rodney Holland Subject: M_Boats: Stepping M-17 mast To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <28608875.1205325653787.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I joined your group about six weeks ago and have continued to read and enjoy your postings during that time but didn't post myself much because I had a delay in going to Alabama to pick my 17 up. If all goes well I'll be bringing it back to Texas and launching it next Tuesday. I plan to keep it in the water at our lake house so I won't be trailer sailing it much. It has been more years than I want to recall since I stepped a mast on a boat. Can any of you give me pointers or tips? I'll have my wife helping me so there will be 4 hands and one ample brain(hers). I glanced around in the archives and website but didn't come across any information. I'll bet that has to be there but I didn't come across it. Happy sailing! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:29:31 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Rodney Holland Subject: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <23529337.1205346571331.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:38:33 -0500 From: Howard Audsley Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: Rodney Holland , For and about Montgomery Sailboats Message-ID: <0715e02d987e35359057139f75c7b45d@tranquility.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'll relate what I do and I do it alone, so it works for me. If you have help, it's real easy and no stress at all on the beer wench. Assuming the mast is pinned to the mast support bracket, and mast crutch still in place (instead of rudder), and side stays hooked on and loose, so they don't bind, I put a snatch block on the forward fixture where the jib tack will be attached (right behind the pin for the forestay). A line (spare halyard or long dock line) hooks to the jib halyard, runs through the block and back to the cockpit. I put two wraps around the sheet winch (not the wench - remember, I do this alone). When I'm ready to hoist the mast, I have the line from the front handy, then push the mast up as far as I can with both hands...to the point of standing on the cockpit seats, then holding the mast up with one hand, use the other to gather in the slack so that the line is now holding the mast up. If you drop the mast holding hand, the line really tightens, but the mast doesn't drop much. I can then move forward a bit, raise some more mast, tighten, etc. About halfway up (45 degrees) you can then hoist it on up with the line alone. The shrouds (side stays) keep it from falling off to either side and the backstay stops it vertical. Tie off the line to the jib sheet cleats, then calmly walk forward to pin the forestay. Once that is pinned, tighten the turnbuckle to tension the rig. Do this procedure backwards to drop the mast. If you start out with about 3 wraps on the sheet winch, you can start letting out a little slack and the mast will start inching down. Past 45 degrees, that line will really tighten up, but you can eventually catch it to let it down easy. As is well documented, the M17 likes a good deal of mast rake. I'd guess if you hang a weight from the main halyard, it should hang out about 4 to 6 inches or so from the main tack on the gooseneck (assuming the boat is level.....put a level on the cockpit seats to level the boat while on the trailer). The right amount of mast rake will give you a little weather helm and she will point higher. That can be found on the msog.org site. Good luck and if this process blows up, I don't know where you heard it from! Howard M17 #278 "Audasea" On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Rodney Holland wrote:
I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!)
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------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:04:33 -0700 From: "Tom Jenkins" Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: "'Rodney Holland'" , "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" Message-ID: <0JXM0016SVWWS6S1@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rodney, I imagine it is the same thing you saw, but the MSOG site has a "How to and Specs" box, and the first subbox is "Hints, Tips, Advice.....". Under that is "mast raising and cradle systems" with "Mast raising: from the archives" containing a bunch of info. As usual, Montgomery owners are inventive. Sorry if this was redundant. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rodney Holland Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:30 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:45:48 -0700 From: "Tim Diebert" Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" Message-ID: <006101c884bc$ba2b5820$2e820860$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I use almost the same system as Howard except for one added piece of gear. I made a gin pole to gain some leverage on the tackle. I found the connecting points at the stem head and mast head were not giving me a comfortable control on the mast. By adding the triangulation I gained a lot of control and power. It does add to the time factor....but I can live with 10 minutes or so. Also, I have a pretty heavy tack shackle on the stemhead fitting so that makes it handy to just clip into the lower mainsheet block shackle. I then run the sheet through the jib halyard turning block and then onto the wench....I mean winch. Tim D Howard:I'll relate what I do and I do it alone, so it works for me. If you have help, it's real easy and no stress at all on the beer wench. Assuming the mast is pinned to the mast support bracket, and mast crutch still in place (instead of rudder), and side stays hooked on and loose, so they don't bind, I put a snatch block on the forward fixture where the jib tack will be attached (right behind the pin for the forestay). A line (spare halyard or long dock line) hooks to the jib halyard, runs through the block and back to the cockpit. I put two wraps around the sheet winch (not the wench - remember, I do this alone). When I'm ready to hoist the mast, I have the line from the front handy, then push the mast up as far as I can with both hands...to the point of standing on the cockpit seats, then holding the mast up with one hand, use the other to gather in the slack so that the line is now holding the mast up. If you drop the mast holding hand, the line really tightens, but the mast doesn't drop much. I can then move forward a bit, raise some more mast, tighten, etc. About halfway up (45 degrees) you can then hoist it on up with the line alone. The shrouds (side stays) keep it from falling off to either side and the backstay stops it vertical. Tie off the line to the jib sheet cleats, then calmly walk forward to pin the forestay. Once that is pinned, tighten the turnbuckle to tension the rig. Do this procedure backwards to drop the mast. If you start out with about 3 wraps on the sheet winch, you can start letting out a little slack and the mast will start inching down. Past 45 degrees, that line will really tighten up, but you can eventually catch it to let it down easy. As is well documented, the M17 likes a good deal of mast rake. I'd guess if you hang a weight from the main halyard, it should hang out about 4 to 6 inches or so from the main tack on the gooseneck (assuming the boat is level.....put a level on the cockpit seats to level the boat while on the trailer). The right amount of mast rake will give you a little weather helm and she will point higher. That can be found on the msog.org site. Good luck and if this process blows up, I don't know where you heard it from! Howard M17 #278 "Audasea" On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Rodney Holland wrote:
I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!)
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Bill: What are you using as your "pattern" for these sails? I ask as I have sails, including the original Reggie Armstrong's, from 4 sailmakers and they all differ in quality, cut, shape, etc. In my opinion, only one of my 5 new sails perform as well as the original "Reggie" sails, but the RA's are blown out....literally! I was told they were not fit for anything but painter's drop clothes, but I saved them anyway, hoping to find someone who could build some exact duplicates. Mainly, the main. The one I have now is a full batten job. The boat heels more, but doesn't go as fast as with the old RA blown out sails. Howard M17, #278 Audasea
Howard, I use the deminsions shown on the Monty site, usually.........however, we will make the sails to any configuration you want. We will copy exactly what you send us as old sails......we will make them full or not so full or even "flat" if that's what you want......we are "custom" sailmakers......... Your statement if what usually creates problems for us in dealing with new customers.....because there are a mirid of designs and specs. being used on the same boats...... The standard sail for the Montys is based on what we can find on the site..both for the 15 and 17...SO, to say we can make you an "official" and documented set (I don't know of any) for a Monty would not be possible......you (and others here) just need to tell me what you want, as to specs......etc, and we will follow them as close as possible and make you a GOOD set of sails at a reasonable price. Bill TCBoats.com billt@eastex.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Audsley To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:40 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Sails Bill: What are you using as your "pattern" for these sails? I ask as I have sails, including the original Reggie Armstrong's, from 4 sailmakers and they all differ in quality, cut, shape, etc. In my opinion, only one of my 5 new sails perform as well as the original "Reggie" sails, but the RA's are blown out....literally! I was told they were not fit for anything but painter's drop clothes, but I saved them anyway, hoping to find someone who could build some exact duplicates. Mainly, the main. The one I have now is a full batten job. The boat heels more, but doesn't go as fast as with the old RA blown out sails. Howard M17, #278 Audasea _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Bill, thanks for quick reply. Let me go over sails & see - then I'll be back in touch. Lance Ransom Bill Tosh <billt@eastex.net> wrote: Hi Bonnie Montgomery 15 standard sails, White Dacron color - 3.8oz - Battens, Bolt rope, hanks and one extra line of reefs included: Main - 62 sq ft @ 4.25 per = 263.50 Jib - 42 sq ft @ 4.25 per = 178.50 Genoa - 140 sq ft @ 4.25per = 595.00 (appx. 130%) Montgomery 15 standard sails, Tanbark Dancron color - 3.8oz - Battens, Bolt rope, hanks and one line of reefs included: Main - 62 sq ft @ 4.75 per = 294.50 Jib - 42 sq ft @ 4.75 per = 199.50 Genoa - 140 sq ft @ 4.75per = 665.00 (appx. 130%) Plus shipping: We estimate shipping on main and jib to be appx. 30.00 and on all three appx. 40.00......we will only charge you whatever UPS ground charges amount to. Our turnaround time at the moment is running 10 to 12 weeks from date of the order.. We accept Visa or Mastercard only for payment.....no Discover or Am. Express.......will take money order, and funds must be paid with the order placement. Bill TCBoats.com billt@eastex.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Bonnie Kostka To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Sails Can you give me an idea of the cost of a set of new sails and what material should they be made out of? Bonnie Kostka M15 montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com wrote: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Stepping M-17 mast (Rodney Holland) 2. stepping M 17 Mast (Rodney Holland) 3. Re: stepping M 17 Mast (Howard Audsley) 4. Re: stepping M 17 Mast (Tom Jenkins) 5. Re: stepping M 17 Mast (Tim Diebert) 6. M-15 sails (jim sadler) 7. Re: M-15 sails (wcampion@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:53 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Rodney Holland Subject: M_Boats: Stepping M-17 mast To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <28608875.1205325653787.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I joined your group about six weeks ago and have continued to read and enjoy your postings during that time but didn't post myself much because I had a delay in going to Alabama to pick my 17 up. If all goes well I'll be bringing it back to Texas and launching it next Tuesday. I plan to keep it in the water at our lake house so I won't be trailer sailing it much. It has been more years than I want to recall since I stepped a mast on a boat. Can any of you give me pointers or tips? I'll have my wife helping me so there will be 4 hands and one ample brain(hers). I glanced around in the archives and website but didn't come across any information. I'll bet that has to be there but I didn't come across it. Happy sailing! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:29:31 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Rodney Holland Subject: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <23529337.1205346571331.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:38:33 -0500 From: Howard Audsley Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: Rodney Holland , For and about Montgomery Sailboats Message-ID: <0715e02d987e35359057139f75c7b45d@tranquility.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'll relate what I do and I do it alone, so it works for me. If you have help, it's real easy and no stress at all on the beer wench. Assuming the mast is pinned to the mast support bracket, and mast crutch still in place (instead of rudder), and side stays hooked on and loose, so they don't bind, I put a snatch block on the forward fixture where the jib tack will be attached (right behind the pin for the forestay). A line (spare halyard or long dock line) hooks to the jib halyard, runs through the block and back to the cockpit. I put two wraps around the sheet winch (not the wench - remember, I do this alone). When I'm ready to hoist the mast, I have the line from the front handy, then push the mast up as far as I can with both hands...to the point of standing on the cockpit seats, then holding the mast up with one hand, use the other to gather in the slack so that the line is now holding the mast up. If you drop the mast holding hand, the line really tightens, but the mast doesn't drop much. I can then move forward a bit, raise some more mast, tighten, etc. About halfway up (45 degrees) you can then hoist it on up with the line alone. The shrouds (side stays) keep it from falling off to either side and the backstay stops it vertical. Tie off the line to the jib sheet cleats, then calmly walk forward to pin the forestay. Once that is pinned, tighten the turnbuckle to tension the rig. Do this procedure backwards to drop the mast. If you start out with about 3 wraps on the sheet winch, you can start letting out a little slack and the mast will start inching down. Past 45 degrees, that line will really tighten up, but you can eventually catch it to let it down easy. As is well documented, the M17 likes a good deal of mast rake. I'd guess if you hang a weight from the main halyard, it should hang out about 4 to 6 inches or so from the main tack on the gooseneck (assuming the boat is level.....put a level on the cockpit seats to level the boat while on the trailer). The right amount of mast rake will give you a little weather helm and she will point higher. That can be found on the msog.org site. Good luck and if this process blows up, I don't know where you heard it from! Howard M17 #278 "Audasea" On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Rodney Holland wrote:
I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!)
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------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:04:33 -0700 From: "Tom Jenkins" Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: "'Rodney Holland'" , "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" Message-ID: <0JXM0016SVWWS6S1@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rodney, I imagine it is the same thing you saw, but the MSOG site has a "How to and Specs" box, and the first subbox is "Hints, Tips, Advice.....". Under that is "mast raising and cradle systems" with "Mast raising: from the archives" containing a bunch of info. As usual, Montgomery owners are inventive. Sorry if this was redundant. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rodney Holland Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:30 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:45:48 -0700 From: "Tim Diebert" Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" Message-ID: <006101c884bc$ba2b5820$2e820860$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I use almost the same system as Howard except for one added piece of gear. I made a gin pole to gain some leverage on the tackle. I found the connecting points at the stem head and mast head were not giving me a comfortable control on the mast. By adding the triangulation I gained a lot of control and power. It does add to the time factor....but I can live with 10 minutes or so. Also, I have a pretty heavy tack shackle on the stemhead fitting so that makes it handy to just clip into the lower mainsheet block shackle. I then run the sheet through the jib halyard turning block and then onto the wench....I mean winch. Tim D Howard:I'll relate what I do and I do it alone, so it works for me. If you have help, it's real easy and no stress at all on the beer wench. Assuming the mast is pinned to the mast support bracket, and mast crutch still in place (instead of rudder), and side stays hooked on and loose, so they don't bind, I put a snatch block on the forward fixture where the jib tack will be attached (right behind the pin for the forestay). A line (spare halyard or long dock line) hooks to the jib halyard, runs through the block and back to the cockpit. I put two wraps around the sheet winch (not the wench - remember, I do this alone). When I'm ready to hoist the mast, I have the line from the front handy, then push the mast up as far as I can with both hands...to the point of standing on the cockpit seats, then holding the mast up with one hand, use the other to gather in the slack so that the line is now holding the mast up. If you drop the mast holding hand, the line really tightens, but the mast doesn't drop much. I can then move forward a bit, raise some more mast, tighten, etc. About halfway up (45 degrees) you can then hoist it on up with the line alone. The shrouds (side stays) keep it from falling off to either side and the backstay stops it vertical. Tie off the line to the jib sheet cleats, then calmly walk forward to pin the forestay. Once that is pinned, tighten the turnbuckle to tension the rig. Do this procedure backwards to drop the mast. If you start out with about 3 wraps on the sheet winch, you can start letting out a little slack and the mast will start inching down. Past 45 degrees, that line will really tighten up, but you can eventually catch it to let it down easy. As is well documented, the M17 likes a good deal of mast rake. I'd guess if you hang a weight from the main halyard, it should hang out about 4 to 6 inches or so from the main tack on the gooseneck (assuming the boat is level.....put a level on the cockpit seats to level the boat while on the trailer). The right amount of mast rake will give you a little weather helm and she will point higher. That can be found on the msog.org site. Good luck and if this process blows up, I don't know where you heard it from! Howard M17 #278 "Audasea" On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Rodney Holland wrote:
I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!)
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OK Lance, and thanks for the opportunity to give you a price......don't let some of the comments scare you about old blown out sails being copied,,,,,,,,any decent sailmaker is "more" than aware of that problem. You "must" be satisfied with our sails ! (and will be) Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: lance ransom To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:18 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Sails Bill, thanks for quick reply. Let me go over sails & see - then I'll be back in touch. Lance Ransom Bill Tosh <billt@eastex.net> wrote: Hi Bonnie Montgomery 15 standard sails, White Dacron color - 3.8oz - Battens, Bolt rope, hanks and one extra line of reefs included: Main - 62 sq ft @ 4.25 per = 263.50 Jib - 42 sq ft @ 4.25 per = 178.50 Genoa - 140 sq ft @ 4.25per = 595.00 (appx. 130%) Montgomery 15 standard sails, Tanbark Dancron color - 3.8oz - Battens, Bolt rope, hanks and one line of reefs included: Main - 62 sq ft @ 4.75 per = 294.50 Jib - 42 sq ft @ 4.75 per = 199.50 Genoa - 140 sq ft @ 4.75per = 665.00 (appx. 130%) Plus shipping: We estimate shipping on main and jib to be appx. 30.00 and on all three appx. 40.00......we will only charge you whatever UPS ground charges amount to. Our turnaround time at the moment is running 10 to 12 weeks from date of the order.. We accept Visa or Mastercard only for payment.....no Discover or Am. Express.......will take money order, and funds must be paid with the order placement. Bill TCBoats.com billt@eastex.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Bonnie Kostka To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Sails Can you give me an idea of the cost of a set of new sails and what material should they be made out of? Bonnie Kostka M15 montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com wrote: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Stepping M-17 mast (Rodney Holland) 2. stepping M 17 Mast (Rodney Holland) 3. Re: stepping M 17 Mast (Howard Audsley) 4. Re: stepping M 17 Mast (Tom Jenkins) 5. Re: stepping M 17 Mast (Tim Diebert) 6. M-15 sails (jim sadler) 7. Re: M-15 sails (wcampion@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:53 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Rodney Holland Subject: M_Boats: Stepping M-17 mast To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <28608875.1205325653787.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I joined your group about six weeks ago and have continued to read and enjoy your postings during that time but didn't post myself much because I had a delay in going to Alabama to pick my 17 up. If all goes well I'll be bringing it back to Texas and launching it next Tuesday. I plan to keep it in the water at our lake house so I won't be trailer sailing it much. It has been more years than I want to recall since I stepped a mast on a boat. Can any of you give me pointers or tips? I'll have my wife helping me so there will be 4 hands and one ample brain(hers). I glanced around in the archives and website but didn't come across any information. I'll bet that has to be there but I didn't come across it. Happy sailing! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:29:31 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Rodney Holland Subject: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <23529337.1205346571331.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:38:33 -0500 From: Howard Audsley Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: Rodney Holland , For and about Montgomery Sailboats Message-ID: <0715e02d987e35359057139f75c7b45d@tranquility.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'll relate what I do and I do it alone, so it works for me. If you have help, it's real easy and no stress at all on the beer wench. Assuming the mast is pinned to the mast support bracket, and mast crutch still in place (instead of rudder), and side stays hooked on and loose, so they don't bind, I put a snatch block on the forward fixture where the jib tack will be attached (right behind the pin for the forestay). A line (spare halyard or long dock line) hooks to the jib halyard, runs through the block and back to the cockpit. I put two wraps around the sheet winch (not the wench - remember, I do this alone). When I'm ready to hoist the mast, I have the line from the front handy, then push the mast up as far as I can with both hands...to the point of standing on the cockpit seats, then holding the mast up with one hand, use the other to gather in the slack so that the line is now holding the mast up. If you drop the mast holding hand, the line really tightens, but the mast doesn't drop much. I can then move forward a bit, raise some more mast, tighten, etc. About halfway up (45 degrees) you can then hoist it on up with the line alone. The shrouds (side stays) keep it from falling off to either side and the backstay stops it vertical. Tie off the line to the jib sheet cleats, then calmly walk forward to pin the forestay. Once that is pinned, tighten the turnbuckle to tension the rig. Do this procedure backwards to drop the mast. If you start out with about 3 wraps on the sheet winch, you can start letting out a little slack and the mast will start inching down. Past 45 degrees, that line will really tighten up, but you can eventually catch it to let it down easy. As is well documented, the M17 likes a good deal of mast rake. I'd guess if you hang a weight from the main halyard, it should hang out about 4 to 6 inches or so from the main tack on the gooseneck (assuming the boat is level.....put a level on the cockpit seats to level the boat while on the trailer). The right amount of mast rake will give you a little weather helm and she will point higher. That can be found on the msog.org site. Good luck and if this process blows up, I don't know where you heard it from! Howard M17 #278 "Audasea" On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Rodney Holland wrote:
I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!)
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------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:04:33 -0700 From: "Tom Jenkins" Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: "'Rodney Holland'" , "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" Message-ID: <0JXM0016SVWWS6S1@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rodney, I imagine it is the same thing you saw, but the MSOG site has a "How to and Specs" box, and the first subbox is "Hints, Tips, Advice.....". Under that is "mast raising and cradle systems" with "Mast raising: from the archives" containing a bunch of info. As usual, Montgomery owners are inventive. Sorry if this was redundant. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rodney Holland Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:30 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:45:48 -0700 From: "Tim Diebert" Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" Message-ID: <006101c884bc$ba2b5820$2e820860$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I use almost the same system as Howard except for one added piece of gear. I made a gin pole to gain some leverage on the tackle. I found the connecting points at the stem head and mast head were not giving me a comfortable control on the mast. By adding the triangulation I gained a lot of control and power. It does add to the time factor....but I can live with 10 minutes or so. Also, I have a pretty heavy tack shackle on the stemhead fitting so that makes it handy to just clip into the lower mainsheet block shackle. I then run the sheet through the jib halyard turning block and then onto the wench....I mean winch. Tim D Howard:I'll relate what I do and I do it alone, so it works for me. If you have help, it's real easy and no stress at all on the beer wench. Assuming the mast is pinned to the mast support bracket, and mast crutch still in place (instead of rudder), and side stays hooked on and loose, so they don't bind, I put a snatch block on the forward fixture where the jib tack will be attached (right behind the pin for the forestay). A line (spare halyard or long dock line) hooks to the jib halyard, runs through the block and back to the cockpit. I put two wraps around the sheet winch (not the wench - remember, I do this alone). When I'm ready to hoist the mast, I have the line from the front handy, then push the mast up as far as I can with both hands...to the point of standing on the cockpit seats, then holding the mast up with one hand, use the other to gather in the slack so that the line is now holding the mast up. If you drop the mast holding hand, the line really tightens, but the mast doesn't drop much. I can then move forward a bit, raise some more mast, tighten, etc. About halfway up (45 degrees) you can then hoist it on up with the line alone. The shrouds (side stays) keep it from falling off to either side and the backstay stops it vertical. Tie off the line to the jib sheet cleats, then calmly walk forward to pin the forestay. Once that is pinned, tighten the turnbuckle to tension the rig. Do this procedure backwards to drop the mast. If you start out with about 3 wraps on the sheet winch, you can start letting out a little slack and the mast will start inching down. Past 45 degrees, that line will really tighten up, but you can eventually catch it to let it down easy. As is well documented, the M17 likes a good deal of mast rake. I'd guess if you hang a weight from the main halyard, it should hang out about 4 to 6 inches or so from the main tack on the gooseneck (assuming the boat is level.....put a level on the cockpit seats to level the boat while on the trailer). The right amount of mast rake will give you a little weather helm and she will point higher. That can be found on the msog.org site. Good luck and if this process blows up, I don't know where you heard it from! Howard M17 #278 "Audasea" On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Rodney Holland wrote:
I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!)
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_______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:56:30 -0700 From: "jim sadler" Subject: M_Boats: M-15 sails To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Skippers Where are you skippers getting new sails for M-15? Capt'n Jim Sadler M-15 sailing vessel Pelican ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:25:35 -0400 From: wcampion@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 sails To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <8CA53D4DFD6C3DB-12C0-2681@MBLK-M03.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jim ? I am in the process of purchasing a new set of sails from Bill Tosh from East Texas.? He's a Monty owner and a member of this list.? His?email address is billt@eastex.net.? Skip Campion M15 - #201 Wild Guppy -----Original Message----- From: jim sadler To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 2:56 am Subject: M_Boats: M-15 sails Skippers Where are you skippers getting new sails for M-15? Capt'n Jim Sadler M-15 sailing vessel Pelican _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 61, Issue 10 ************************************************ _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Just curious - I thought the standard working jib for an M15 was a 128% - wouldn't a genoa have to be closer to 150% than the 130% that you mention below? thanks Doug Kelch Bill Tosh <billt@eastex.net> wrote: OK Lance, and thanks for the opportunity to give you a price......don't let some of the comments scare you about old blown out sails being copied,,,,,,,,any decent sailmaker is "more" than aware of that problem. You "must" be satisfied with our sails ! (and will be) Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: lance ransom To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:18 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Sails Bill, thanks for quick reply. Let me go over sails & see - then I'll be back in touch. Lance Ransom Bill Tosh wrote: Hi Bonnie Montgomery 15 standard sails, White Dacron color - 3.8oz - Battens, Bolt rope, hanks and one extra line of reefs included: Main - 62 sq ft @ 4.25 per = 263.50 Jib - 42 sq ft @ 4.25 per = 178.50 Genoa - 140 sq ft @ 4.25per = 595.00 (appx. 130%) Montgomery 15 standard sails, Tanbark Dancron color - 3.8oz - Battens, Bolt rope, hanks and one line of reefs included: Main - 62 sq ft @ 4.75 per = 294.50 Jib - 42 sq ft @ 4.75 per = 199.50 Genoa - 140 sq ft @ 4.75per = 665.00 (appx. 130%) Plus shipping: We estimate shipping on main and jib to be appx. 30.00 and on all three appx. 40.00......we will only charge you whatever UPS ground charges amount to. Our turnaround time at the moment is running 10 to 12 weeks from date of the order.. We accept Visa or Mastercard only for payment.....no Discover or Am. Express.......will take money order, and funds must be paid with the order placement. Bill TCBoats.com billt@eastex.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Bonnie Kostka To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Sails Can you give me an idea of the cost of a set of new sails and what material should they be made out of? Bonnie Kostka M15 montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com wrote: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Stepping M-17 mast (Rodney Holland) 2. stepping M 17 Mast (Rodney Holland) 3. Re: stepping M 17 Mast (Howard Audsley) 4. Re: stepping M 17 Mast (Tom Jenkins) 5. Re: stepping M 17 Mast (Tim Diebert) 6. M-15 sails (jim sadler) 7. Re: M-15 sails (wcampion@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:53 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Rodney Holland Subject: M_Boats: Stepping M-17 mast To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <28608875.1205325653787.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I joined your group about six weeks ago and have continued to read and enjoy your postings during that time but didn't post myself much because I had a delay in going to Alabama to pick my 17 up. If all goes well I'll be bringing it back to Texas and launching it next Tuesday. I plan to keep it in the water at our lake house so I won't be trailer sailing it much. It has been more years than I want to recall since I stepped a mast on a boat. Can any of you give me pointers or tips? I'll have my wife helping me so there will be 4 hands and one ample brain(hers). I glanced around in the archives and website but didn't come across any information. I'll bet that has to be there but I didn't come across it. Happy sailing! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:29:31 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Rodney Holland Subject: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <23529337.1205346571331.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:38:33 -0500 From: Howard Audsley Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: Rodney Holland , For and about Montgomery Sailboats Message-ID: <0715e02d987e35359057139f75c7b45d@tranquility.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'll relate what I do and I do it alone, so it works for me. If you have help, it's real easy and no stress at all on the beer wench. Assuming the mast is pinned to the mast support bracket, and mast crutch still in place (instead of rudder), and side stays hooked on and loose, so they don't bind, I put a snatch block on the forward fixture where the jib tack will be attached (right behind the pin for the forestay). A line (spare halyard or long dock line) hooks to the jib halyard, runs through the block and back to the cockpit. I put two wraps around the sheet winch (not the wench - remember, I do this alone). When I'm ready to hoist the mast, I have the line from the front handy, then push the mast up as far as I can with both hands...to the point of standing on the cockpit seats, then holding the mast up with one hand, use the other to gather in the slack so that the line is now holding the mast up. If you drop the mast holding hand, the line really tightens, but the mast doesn't drop much. I can then move forward a bit, raise some more mast, tighten, etc. About halfway up (45 degrees) you can then hoist it on up with the line alone. The shrouds (side stays) keep it from falling off to either side and the backstay stops it vertical. Tie off the line to the jib sheet cleats, then calmly walk forward to pin the forestay. Once that is pinned, tighten the turnbuckle to tension the rig. Do this procedure backwards to drop the mast. If you start out with about 3 wraps on the sheet winch, you can start letting out a little slack and the mast will start inching down. Past 45 degrees, that line will really tighten up, but you can eventually catch it to let it down easy. As is well documented, the M17 likes a good deal of mast rake. I'd guess if you hang a weight from the main halyard, it should hang out about 4 to 6 inches or so from the main tack on the gooseneck (assuming the boat is level.....put a level on the cockpit seats to level the boat while on the trailer). The right amount of mast rake will give you a little weather helm and she will point higher. That can be found on the msog.org site. Good luck and if this process blows up, I don't know where you heard it from! Howard M17 #278 "Audasea" On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Rodney Holland wrote:
I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!)
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------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:04:33 -0700 From: "Tom Jenkins" Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: "'Rodney Holland'" , "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" Message-ID: <0JXM0016SVWWS6S1@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rodney, I imagine it is the same thing you saw, but the MSOG site has a "How to and Specs" box, and the first subbox is "Hints, Tips, Advice.....". Under that is "mast raising and cradle systems" with "Mast raising: from the archives" containing a bunch of info. As usual, Montgomery owners are inventive. Sorry if this was redundant. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rodney Holland Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:30 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:45:48 -0700 From: "Tim Diebert" Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" Message-ID: <006101c884bc$ba2b5820$2e820860$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I use almost the same system as Howard except for one added piece of gear. I made a gin pole to gain some leverage on the tackle. I found the connecting points at the stem head and mast head were not giving me a comfortable control on the mast. By adding the triangulation I gained a lot of control and power. It does add to the time factor....but I can live with 10 minutes or so. Also, I have a pretty heavy tack shackle on the stemhead fitting so that makes it handy to just clip into the lower mainsheet block shackle. I then run the sheet through the jib halyard turning block and then onto the wench....I mean winch. Tim D Howard:I'll relate what I do and I do it alone, so it works for me. If you have help, it's real easy and no stress at all on the beer wench. Assuming the mast is pinned to the mast support bracket, and mast crutch still in place (instead of rudder), and side stays hooked on and loose, so they don't bind, I put a snatch block on the forward fixture where the jib tack will be attached (right behind the pin for the forestay). A line (spare halyard or long dock line) hooks to the jib halyard, runs through the block and back to the cockpit. I put two wraps around the sheet winch (not the wench - remember, I do this alone). When I'm ready to hoist the mast, I have the line from the front handy, then push the mast up as far as I can with both hands...to the point of standing on the cockpit seats, then holding the mast up with one hand, use the other to gather in the slack so that the line is now holding the mast up. If you drop the mast holding hand, the line really tightens, but the mast doesn't drop much. I can then move forward a bit, raise some more mast, tighten, etc. About halfway up (45 degrees) you can then hoist it on up with the line alone. The shrouds (side stays) keep it from falling off to either side and the backstay stops it vertical. Tie off the line to the jib sheet cleats, then calmly walk forward to pin the forestay. Once that is pinned, tighten the turnbuckle to tension the rig. Do this procedure backwards to drop the mast. If you start out with about 3 wraps on the sheet winch, you can start letting out a little slack and the mast will start inching down. Past 45 degrees, that line will really tighten up, but you can eventually catch it to let it down easy. As is well documented, the M17 likes a good deal of mast rake. I'd guess if you hang a weight from the main halyard, it should hang out about 4 to 6 inches or so from the main tack on the gooseneck (assuming the boat is level.....put a level on the cockpit seats to level the boat while on the trailer). The right amount of mast rake will give you a little weather helm and she will point higher. That can be found on the msog.org site. Good luck and if this process blows up, I don't know where you heard it from! Howard M17 #278 "Audasea" On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Rodney Holland wrote:
I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!)
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_______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:56:30 -0700 From: "jim sadler" Subject: M_Boats: M-15 sails To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Skippers Where are you skippers getting new sails for M-15? Capt'n Jim Sadler M-15 sailing vessel Pelican ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:25:35 -0400 From: wcampion@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 sails To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <8CA53D4DFD6C3DB-12C0-2681@MBLK-M03.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jim ? I am in the process of purchasing a new set of sails from Bill Tosh from East Texas.? He's a Monty owner and a member of this list.? His?email address is billt@eastex.net.? Skip Campion M15 - #201 Wild Guppy -----Original Message----- From: jim sadler To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 2:56 am Subject: M_Boats: M-15 sails Skippers Where are you skippers getting new sails for M-15? Capt'n Jim Sadler M-15 sailing vessel Pelican _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 61, Issue 10 ************************************************ _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
I will dig up the pictures of my Tan bark sails I got from Bill last year. I have gotten a lot of compliments on them, its amazing how much better the boat handles w/new sails. Gilbert Landin Sagitta 1974 M-17 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Doug Kelch Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:15 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Sails Just curious - I thought the standard working jib for an M15 was a 128% - wouldn't a genoa have to be closer to 150% than the 130% that you mention below? thanks Doug Kelch Bill Tosh <billt@eastex.net> wrote: OK Lance, and thanks for the opportunity to give you a price......don't let some of the comments scare you about old blown out sails being copied,,,,,,,,any decent sailmaker is "more" than aware of that problem. You "must" be satisfied with our sails ! (and will be) Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: lance ransom To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:18 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Sails Bill, thanks for quick reply. Let me go over sails & see - then I'll be back in touch. Lance Ransom Bill Tosh wrote: Hi Bonnie Montgomery 15 standard sails, White Dacron color - 3.8oz - Battens, Bolt rope, hanks and one extra line of reefs included: Main - 62 sq ft @ 4.25 per = 263.50 Jib - 42 sq ft @ 4.25 per = 178.50 Genoa - 140 sq ft @ 4.25per = 595.00 (appx. 130%) Montgomery 15 standard sails, Tanbark Dancron color - 3.8oz - Battens, Bolt rope, hanks and one line of reefs included: Main - 62 sq ft @ 4.75 per = 294.50 Jib - 42 sq ft @ 4.75 per = 199.50 Genoa - 140 sq ft @ 4.75per = 665.00 (appx. 130%) Plus shipping: We estimate shipping on main and jib to be appx. 30.00 and on all three appx. 40.00......we will only charge you whatever UPS ground charges amount to. Our turnaround time at the moment is running 10 to 12 weeks from date of the order.. We accept Visa or Mastercard only for payment.....no Discover or Am. Express.......will take money order, and funds must be paid with the order placement. Bill TCBoats.com billt@eastex.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Bonnie Kostka To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Sails Can you give me an idea of the cost of a set of new sails and what material should they be made out of? Bonnie Kostka M15 montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com wrote: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Stepping M-17 mast (Rodney Holland) 2. stepping M 17 Mast (Rodney Holland) 3. Re: stepping M 17 Mast (Howard Audsley) 4. Re: stepping M 17 Mast (Tom Jenkins) 5. Re: stepping M 17 Mast (Tim Diebert) 6. M-15 sails (jim sadler) 7. Re: M-15 sails (wcampion@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:53 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Rodney Holland Subject: M_Boats: Stepping M-17 mast To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <28608875.1205325653787.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I joined your group about six weeks ago and have continued to read and enjoy your postings during that time but didn't post myself much because I had a delay in going to Alabama to pick my 17 up. If all goes well I'll be bringing it back to Texas and launching it next Tuesday. I plan to keep it in the water at our lake house so I won't be trailer sailing it much. It has been more years than I want to recall since I stepped a mast on a boat. Can any of you give me pointers or tips? I'll have my wife helping me so there will be 4 hands and one ample brain(hers). I glanced around in the archives and website but didn't come across any information. I'll bet that has to be there but I didn't come across it. Happy sailing! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:29:31 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Rodney Holland Subject: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <23529337.1205346571331.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:38:33 -0500 From: Howard Audsley Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: Rodney Holland , For and about Montgomery Sailboats Message-ID: <0715e02d987e35359057139f75c7b45d@tranquility.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'll relate what I do and I do it alone, so it works for me. If you have help, it's real easy and no stress at all on the beer wench. Assuming the mast is pinned to the mast support bracket, and mast crutch still in place (instead of rudder), and side stays hooked on and loose, so they don't bind, I put a snatch block on the forward fixture where the jib tack will be attached (right behind the pin for the forestay). A line (spare halyard or long dock line) hooks to the jib halyard, runs through the block and back to the cockpit. I put two wraps around the sheet winch (not the wench - remember, I do this alone). When I'm ready to hoist the mast, I have the line from the front handy, then push the mast up as far as I can with both hands...to the point of standing on the cockpit seats, then holding the mast up with one hand, use the other to gather in the slack so that the line is now holding the mast up. If you drop the mast holding hand, the line really tightens, but the mast doesn't drop much. I can then move forward a bit, raise some more mast, tighten, etc. About halfway up (45 degrees) you can then hoist it on up with the line alone. The shrouds (side stays) keep it from falling off to either side and the backstay stops it vertical. Tie off the line to the jib sheet cleats, then calmly walk forward to pin the forestay. Once that is pinned, tighten the turnbuckle to tension the rig. Do this procedure backwards to drop the mast. If you start out with about 3 wraps on the sheet winch, you can start letting out a little slack and the mast will start inching down. Past 45 degrees, that line will really tighten up, but you can eventually catch it to let it down easy. As is well documented, the M17 likes a good deal of mast rake. I'd guess if you hang a weight from the main halyard, it should hang out about 4 to 6 inches or so from the main tack on the gooseneck (assuming the boat is level.....put a level on the cockpit seats to level the boat while on the trailer). The right amount of mast rake will give you a little weather helm and she will point higher. That can be found on the msog.org site. Good luck and if this process blows up, I don't know where you heard it from! Howard M17 #278 "Audasea" On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Rodney Holland wrote:
I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!)
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------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:04:33 -0700 From: "Tom Jenkins" Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: "'Rodney Holland'" , "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" Message-ID: <0JXM0016SVWWS6S1@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rodney, I imagine it is the same thing you saw, but the MSOG site has a "How to and Specs" box, and the first subbox is "Hints, Tips, Advice.....". Under that is "mast raising and cradle systems" with "Mast raising: from the archives" containing a bunch of info. As usual, Montgomery owners are inventive. Sorry if this was redundant. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rodney Holland Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:30 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:45:48 -0700 From: "Tim Diebert" Subject: Re: M_Boats: stepping M 17 Mast To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" Message-ID: <006101c884bc$ba2b5820$2e820860$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I use almost the same system as Howard except for one added piece of gear. I made a gin pole to gain some leverage on the tackle. I found the connecting points at the stem head and mast head were not giving me a comfortable control on the mast. By adding the triangulation I gained a lot of control and power. It does add to the time factor....but I can live with 10 minutes or so. Also, I have a pretty heavy tack shackle on the stemhead fitting so that makes it handy to just clip into the lower mainsheet block shackle. I then run the sheet through the jib halyard turning block and then onto the wench....I mean winch. Tim D Howard:I'll relate what I do and I do it alone, so it works for me. If you have help, it's real easy and no stress at all on the beer wench. Assuming the mast is pinned to the mast support bracket, and mast crutch still in place (instead of rudder), and side stays hooked on and loose, so they don't bind, I put a snatch block on the forward fixture where the jib tack will be attached (right behind the pin for the forestay). A line (spare halyard or long dock line) hooks to the jib halyard, runs through the block and back to the cockpit. I put two wraps around the sheet winch (not the wench - remember, I do this alone). When I'm ready to hoist the mast, I have the line from the front handy, then push the mast up as far as I can with both hands...to the point of standing on the cockpit seats, then holding the mast up with one hand, use the other to gather in the slack so that the line is now holding the mast up. If you drop the mast holding hand, the line really tightens, but the mast doesn't drop much. I can then move forward a bit, raise some more mast, tighten, etc. About halfway up (45 degrees) you can then hoist it on up with the line alone. The shrouds (side stays) keep it from falling off to either side and the backstay stops it vertical. Tie off the line to the jib sheet cleats, then calmly walk forward to pin the forestay. Once that is pinned, tighten the turnbuckle to tension the rig. Do this procedure backwards to drop the mast. If you start out with about 3 wraps on the sheet winch, you can start letting out a little slack and the mast will start inching down. Past 45 degrees, that line will really tighten up, but you can eventually catch it to let it down easy. As is well documented, the M17 likes a good deal of mast rake. I'd guess if you hang a weight from the main halyard, it should hang out about 4 to 6 inches or so from the main tack on the gooseneck (assuming the boat is level.....put a level on the cockpit seats to level the boat while on the trailer). The right amount of mast rake will give you a little weather helm and she will point higher. That can be found on the msog.org site. Good luck and if this process blows up, I don't know where you heard it from! Howard M17 #278 "Audasea" On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Rodney Holland wrote:
I knew there had to be something of value related to stepping the mast at the Montgomery website. I spent my lunch looking around and found a checklist someone had put there under the "Owner's info" tab I believe. I'm sure that will be helpful. If anyone has words of wisdom to help this go smoothly though please sing out. My bride didn't want the boat anyway so anything to help the inaugural launch go smoothly will be appreciated! (Heck, it was here family that got me hooked on sailing for the 1st time 30 years ago!)
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_______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:56:30 -0700 From: "jim sadler" Subject: M_Boats: M-15 sails To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Skippers Where are you skippers getting new sails for M-15? Capt'n Jim Sadler M-15 sailing vessel Pelican ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:25:35 -0400 From: wcampion@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 sails To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <8CA53D4DFD6C3DB-12C0-2681@MBLK-M03.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jim ? I am in the process of purchasing a new set of sails from Bill Tosh from East Texas.? He's a Monty owner and a member of this list.? His?email address is billt@eastex.net.? Skip Campion M15 - #201 Wild Guppy -----Original Message----- From: jim sadler To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 2:56 am Subject: M_Boats: M-15 sails Skippers Where are you skippers getting new sails for M-15? Capt'n Jim Sadler M-15 sailing vessel Pelican _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 61, Issue 10 ************************************************ _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
participants (6)
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Bill Tosh -
Bonnie Kostka -
Doug Kelch -
gilbert landin -
Howard Audsley -
lance ransom