Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - attaching sheets to jib.
When I bought Motu iti the jib sheets had a large snap shackle attached to the center of tjhe sheets, that way you can use the same sheets with your jenny, working jib, or storm sail. Didnt see any need in changing it. Eldor M17 Motu iti -----Original Message----- From: Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 4:21 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - attaching sheets to jib. Definitely not a carabiner. When that headsail starts whipping around....ouch!! used on continuous line with a harness knot. On tacks the simple knot slips round hatches and hardware without getting hung up. oe eafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Boles To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:27 PM Subject: M_Boats: Advice sought - attaching sheets to jib. Hi: On another topic. a. What is preferred method for attaching sheets to jib cringle? 1. Single line pushed through cringle and looped back through bight? 2. Two sheets one w/ bowline through cringle, other w/ bowline through bight f first? 3. Carabiner? 4. Brunell hook? b. What size, material, and length of rope are best for M17 standard jib heets? Cheers and thanks in advance, Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] n Behalf Of htmills@zoominternet.net Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:56 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard I switched to all rope halyards too....easy, works well with modern rope. Downhaul on jib; the main luff is within easy reach. Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas w/ four-legged furry crew Rudy & Gus and a foster pup named Sally who would probably be a super boat dog: loves the water! http://www.peppypawspoochpark.com/BettyFuzzySally.wmv
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of ndorf@surfbest.net Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:32 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Thanks Larry. I rig a downhaul for my jib but not the main.
Headed to Oakland Estuary / Grand Ramp on Friday, launch btwn 10-11, to practice and tune-up for the Monterey Cruiser Challenge with my colleague who is crewing with me for the event.
Neil
Original Message: ----------------- From: Hughston, Larry Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:09:06 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Neil, if this any help, I use Stay-Set double braided for my halyards. Green tracer starboard, red tracer port. Either 1/4" or 5/16". Use either Jamestown distributors or West Marine (but only when a sale is on). Duckworks is good too but they have a limited selection of tracer colors.
Do you have downhauls on your Monty? I have my jib rigged but not the main....that is next.
Where are you headed next for sailing? ----Larry Hughston Old 189.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of ndorf@surfbest.net Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:20 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Hey guys,
Looking for some advice here on how to make my main halyard safer.
The wire-to-rope connection on my '85 M15 has proven to be unsafe and prone to tangles. It is rigged up exactly the way it was when I acquired it from the previous owner. The wire piece terminates with a shackle, as I believe it should, but the rope end seems to be rather kludgy).
The end of the rope part of the halyard is tied to a snap-type shackle. Rather than the shackle being just snapped on to the wire end shackle, it is fed through and then snapped back on the rope. While this arrangement has proven to be secure enough, the problem is that it creates a big bulge (think pig in the snake), right at the point with the two shrouds affix to the mast and also near the top of the fore-stay. Any amount of accidental buffeting in the wind of the halyard, while raising or lowering the main, causes the wire to rope joint (weighty such as it is) to easily get twisted and caught up top around the standing rigging. And when it happens, (Murphy's Law) it happens at the worst possible time.
My question is, what is the factory standard setup for the main halyard? Was there supposed to be an eye splice at the end of the rope halyard? Bowline? Buntline?
When it comes to sewing I'm all thumbs so I'm not inclined to try doing my own eye splice, so I'm hoping to hear that some other method has proven to be effective and reliable.
Thanks all,
Neil Dorf 1985 M15 #334 Roseville CA
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eisenee@aol.com wrote: Hi Eldor, My solution was to make an eye in the middle of my jib / genoa sheets. Lash the eye together so that it can't open. Now, put your head sail in place. Run the eye of the sheets through the leech cringle. Pull the remainder of the sheets (two halves) through the eye, and you have an excellent attachment. It can't come loose. There is no heavy shackle at the end to flog you around the ears. It is easy to install: and easy to take apart. All it costs is a few minutes of time with sailing twine to make a proper lashing at the eye. Cost: $0.00: Efficiency 100%. Connie
When I bought Motu iti the jib sheets had a large snap shackle attached to the center of tjhe sheets, that way you can use the same sheets with your jenny, working jib, or storm sail. Didnt see any need in changing it. Eldor M17 Motu iti
-----Original Message----- From: Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 4:21 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - attaching sheets to jib.
Definitely not a carabiner. When that headsail starts whipping around....ouch!! used on continuous line with a harness knot. On tacks the simple knot slips round hatches and hardware without getting hung up. oe eafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Boles To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:27 PM Subject: M_Boats: Advice sought - attaching sheets to jib.
Hi:
On another topic.
a. What is preferred method for attaching sheets to jib cringle?
1. Single line pushed through cringle and looped back through bight? 2. Two sheets one w/ bowline through cringle, other w/ bowline through bight f first? 3. Carabiner? 4. Brunell hook?
b. What size, material, and length of rope are best for M17 standard jib heets?
Cheers and thanks in advance,
Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978)
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] n Behalf Of htmills@zoominternet.net Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:56 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
I switched to all rope halyards too....easy, works well with modern rope.
Downhaul on jib; the main luff is within easy reach.
Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas w/ four-legged furry crew Rudy & Gus
and a foster pup named Sally who would probably be a super boat dog: loves the water! http://www.peppypawspoochpark.com/BettyFuzzySally.wmv
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of ndorf@surfbest.net Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:32 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Thanks Larry. I rig a downhaul for my jib but not the main.
Headed to Oakland Estuary / Grand Ramp on Friday, launch btwn 10-11, to practice and tune-up for the Monterey Cruiser Challenge with my colleague who is crewing with me for the event.
Neil
Original Message: ----------------- From: Hughston, Larry Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:09:06 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Neil, if this any help, I use Stay-Set double braided for my halyards. Green tracer starboard, red tracer port. Either 1/4" or 5/16". Use either Jamestown distributors or West Marine (but only when a sale is on). Duckworks is good too but they have a limited selection of tracer colors.
Do you have downhauls on your Monty? I have my jib rigged but not the main....that is next.
Where are you headed next for sailing? ----Larry Hughston Old 189.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of ndorf@surfbest.net Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:20 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Hey guys,
Looking for some advice here on how to make my main halyard safer.
The wire-to-rope connection on my '85 M15 has proven to be unsafe and prone to tangles. It is rigged up exactly the way it was when I acquired it from the previous owner. The wire piece terminates with a shackle, as I believe it should, but the rope end seems to be rather kludgy).
The end of the rope part of the halyard is tied to a snap-type shackle. Rather than the shackle being just snapped on to the wire end shackle, it is fed through and then snapped back on the rope. While this arrangement has proven to be secure enough, the problem is that it creates a big bulge (think pig in the snake), right at the point with the two shrouds affix to the mast and also near the top of the fore-stay. Any amount of accidental buffeting in the wind of the halyard, while raising or lowering the main, causes the wire to rope joint (weighty such as it is) to easily get twisted and caught up top around the standing rigging. And when it happens, (Murphy's Law) it happens at the worst possible time.
My question is, what is the factory standard setup for the main halyard? Was there supposed to be an eye splice at the end of the rope halyard? Bowline? Buntline?
When it comes to sewing I'm all thumbs so I'm not inclined to try doing my own eye splice, so I'm hoping to hear that some other method has proven to be effective and reliable.
Thanks all,
Neil Dorf 1985 M15 #334 Roseville CA
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Tod mentioned Sta-Set as being a little stiff for jib sheets. I've found New England Ropes Regatta braid to be an excellent sheet. Very soft to handle and it doesn't kink. If you get a loop in it, it just pulls right out. No more kinks hanging up in your turning blocks. I like an oversized line, 7/16" I believe. Easier to get a good grip on it. A little more weight hanging out there, but that's only a problem in the lightest of breezes, and I fly my drifter then anyway. Larry Yake On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Conbert H. Benneck <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
eisenee@aol.com wrote:
Hi Eldor,
My solution was to make an eye in the middle of my jib / genoa sheets. Lash the eye together so that it can't open.
Now, put your head sail in place. Run the eye of the sheets through the leech cringle. Pull the remainder of the sheets (two halves) through the eye, and you have an excellent attachment. It can't come loose. There is no heavy shackle at the end to flog you around the ears. It is easy to install: and easy to take apart. All it costs is a few minutes of time with sailing twine to make a proper lashing at the eye. Cost: $0.00: Efficiency 100%.
Connie
When I bought Motu iti the jib sheets had a large snap shackle attached to
the center of tjhe sheets, that way you can use the same sheets with your jenny, working jib, or storm sail. Didnt see any need in changing it. Eldor M17 Motu iti
-----Original Message----- From: Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 4:21 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - attaching sheets to jib.
Definitely not a carabiner. When that headsail starts whipping around....ouch!! used on continuous line with a harness knot. On tacks the simple knot slips round hatches and hardware without getting hung up. oe eafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Boles To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:27 PM Subject: M_Boats: Advice sought - attaching sheets to jib.
Hi:
On another topic.
a. What is preferred method for attaching sheets to jib cringle?
1. Single line pushed through cringle and looped back through bight? 2. Two sheets one w/ bowline through cringle, other w/ bowline through bight f first? 3. Carabiner? 4. Brunell hook?
b. What size, material, and length of rope are best for M17 standard jib heets?
Cheers and thanks in advance,
Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978)
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] n Behalf Of htmills@zoominternet.net Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:56 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
I switched to all rope halyards too....easy, works well with modern rope.
Downhaul on jib; the main luff is within easy reach.
Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas w/ four-legged furry crew Rudy & Gus
and a foster pup named Sally who would probably be a super boat dog: loves the water! http://www.peppypawspoochpark.com/BettyFuzzySally.wmv
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of ndorf@surfbest.net Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:32 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Thanks Larry. I rig a downhaul for my jib but not the main.
Headed to Oakland Estuary / Grand Ramp on Friday, launch btwn 10-11, to practice and tune-up for the Monterey Cruiser Challenge with my colleague who is crewing with me for the event.
Neil
Original Message: ----------------- From: Hughston, Larry Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:09:06 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Neil, if this any help, I use Stay-Set double braided for my halyards. Green tracer starboard, red tracer port. Either 1/4" or 5/16". Use either Jamestown distributors or West Marine (but only when a sale is on). Duckworks is good too but they have a limited selection of tracer colors.
Do you have downhauls on your Monty? I have my jib rigged but not the main....that is next.
Where are you headed next for sailing? ----Larry Hughston Old 189.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of ndorf@surfbest.net Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:20 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Hey guys,
Looking for some advice here on how to make my main halyard safer.
The wire-to-rope connection on my '85 M15 has proven to be unsafe and prone to tangles. It is rigged up exactly the way it was when I acquired it from the previous owner. The wire piece terminates with a shackle, as I believe it should, but the rope end seems to be rather kludgy).
The end of the rope part of the halyard is tied to a snap-type shackle. Rather than the shackle being just snapped on to the wire end shackle, it is fed through and then snapped back on the rope. While this arrangement has proven to be secure enough, the problem is that it creates a big bulge (think pig in the snake), right at the point with the two shrouds affix to the mast and also near the top of the fore-stay. Any amount of accidental buffeting in the wind of the halyard, while raising or lowering the main, causes the wire to rope joint (weighty such as it is) to easily get twisted and caught up top around the standing rigging. And when it happens, (Murphy's Law) it happens at the worst possible time.
My question is, what is the factory standard setup for the main halyard? Was there supposed to be an eye splice at the end of the rope halyard? Bowline? Buntline?
When it comes to sewing I'm all thumbs so I'm not inclined to try doing my own eye splice, so I'm hoping to hear that some other method has proven to be effective and reliable.
Thanks all,
Neil Dorf 1985 M15 #334 Roseville CA
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