Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 109, Issue 19

26 Mar 2012

      Hi All,

I am in favor of a searchable archives and will gladly pay a fee to be able
to do so. I try to save posts that I think I will need in the future but by
the time a project comes to the surface, I have lost the post in a mass of
unsorted email or worse yet deleted it to make room for more!  Thanks to all
who have contributed to posts on all things Montgomery!

All the Best,
Randy Wirth
M-17 Fore Play

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Searchable Archives (W David Scobie)
   2. Re: The Border Run videos (Robbin Roddewig)
   3. Re: Searchable Archives (August Trometer)
   4. Re: Searchable Archives (Louis Remmers)
   5. Re: Searchable Archives (Jeffrey Johnston)
   6. Re: Searchable Archives (Chris Smith)
   7. Re: Searchable Archives (Tom Jenkins)
   8. Re: Searchable Archives (Daniel Rich)
   9. Re: Searchable Archives (GILASAILR@aol.com)
  10. Re: Bottom paint (Tom Smith)
  11. Re: Searchable Archives (Michael Murphy)
  12. Re: Bottom paint (jerry montgomery)
  13. Re: Searchable Archives (Bill Wickett)
  14. Re: Bottom paint (Tom Smith)
  15. Re: Searchable Archives (Bill Day)
  16. Re: Searchable Archives (Ed)
  17. Fenders (Jeffrey Johnston)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:05:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
	<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Searchable Archives
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keith:

yes we need to have things searchable.  there are lots of good information
that needs to be accessible.  without that information available one looses
the 15+ years of history that is available on the list.

what needs to be remembered that anything, ANYTHING, you do on the net is
public (yes, this includes email and the www-sites you visit) and can be
found/searched/read.

:: Dave Scobie
:: Sage Marine

--- On Fri, 3/23/12, Keith Diehl <kdiehl@xmission.com> wrote:
...
In the past, some members were very
concerned that their postings were
readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing 
and cancelled our searchable archives.? I never quite understood the 
concern, since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything 
old and new, but that was what was wanted.
The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the
membership:
Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives 
are readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines?
As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search 
engine page for Xmission hosted public lists;
http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html
Keith Diehl
Cottonwood Heights, UT
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:06:16 -0400
From: Robbin Roddewig <robbin.roddewig@verizon.net>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
	<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: The Border Run videos
Message-ID: <4F6CD7B8.6070804@verizon.net>
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Fabulous Sean!  This made me smile!
Can't wait to get back in the water after a few repairs are done!

Cheers
Robbin

On 3/23/2012 1:13 PM, Nebwest2@aol.com wrote:
...
Thanks Tom.....It's been my great pleasure to be involved with this 
community. I've said it so many times before....but this group of 
folks can change your life. It certainly has mine.  :-)  Montgomery's are
fabulous boats.
In my mind, I have sailed on NOTHING that compares.  The feeling of 
confidence I have when sailing the 17's I've owned (or the  23) is 
amazing....and I have put them to the test a time or two over the  
years. In my mind....feeble as it is....there are not many other boat  
owners out there that can enjoy the piece of mind I do when sailing a  
Montgomery. If you allow it to....it will take you to places you can 
barely  imagine....and if it gets crappy....she'll get you home.  Not 
only  that...but once you learn to work with her and trust her, she'll get
you  home with a smile on your face, while others
are watching drop jawed.   I  honestly don't think that a lot of sailors,
sailing others brands of similarly  sized boats understand this. you 
truly have to experience it for it to  set in.  I find myself feeling 
a bit sorry for the guy who is worried that  if he pushes his boat too 
far "She's going over" and so he's always got that in  the back of his
mind....wondering if he's
"getting close".     Once you've experienced it...it's hard to consider
something else.  Of  course....that's all in my neophyte opinion!  LOL
Another great thing about the Montgomery line is that it cures 2 foot 
itis!  I used to be all about stepping up. Then I realized....I still 
have  some work to do to develop my skills and ability up to the ability
of the boat I
  already own.....and I OWN it ...no payments.  And I can drag it anywhere
I
  have the gas money and desire to drag it!  And suddenly....I am able 
to cruise anywhere I want to cruise. It just doesn't get any better.
And the last thing is... there are options to include everyone. If a 
new one is what floats your boat, they are available...go for it. But 
for the individuals that are not financially able to swing that 
...there are incredible  deals on used ones that make "living the 
dream" attainable to virtually anyone.  You just can't beat that.  
Everyone has the ability to join in and acquire  a boat that will 
safely take you where you want to go. Amazing when you think  about 
it. Larry and I just raced in a race where some of the boats  were in 
the multi -millions of dollars category...yet we were there, experiencing
it in our 30+ year old Monty. Pretty darn cool!!
yeah....this is a cool place to hang out!  :-)
Sail on!!!!
;-)
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:14:58 -0400
From: "August Trometer" <atrometer@gmail.com>
To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'"
	<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Searchable Archives
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Anyone - It will help keep the value UP

-----Original Message-----
From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com
[mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Keith
Diehl
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 3:53 PM
To: Montgomery Boats List
Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives

In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were
readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and
cancelled our searchable archives.  I never quite understood the concern,
since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, but
that was what was wanted.

The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the
membership:

Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are
readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines?

As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine
page for Xmission hosted public lists;

http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html

Keith Diehl
Cottonwood Heights, UT

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:26:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louis Remmers <louremmers@yahoo.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
	<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Searchable Archives
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I think it is silly for anyone to " guard" the archives!? It was a GREAT
pleasure to look at all th activities of the Montgomery fleet and it was a
major reason to purchase one!? It should be avaliabve to anyone and in turn
would prompt others to join the crew and purchase a Monty.? Is it better to
not allow someone to see what a magnificent boat we all enjoy or invite them
to join us!?????

--- On Fri, 3/23/12, Keith Diehl <kdiehl@xmission.com> wrote:

From: Keith Diehl <kdiehl@xmission.com>
Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives
To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Date: Friday, March 23, 2012, 2:52 PM

In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were
readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and
cancelled our searchable archives.? I never quite understood the concern,
since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, but
that was what was wanted.

The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the
membership:

Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are
readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines?

As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine
page for Xmission hosted public lists;

http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html

Keith Diehl
Cottonwood Heights, UT

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 15:29:52 -0500
From: Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff@gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
	<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Searchable Archives
Message-ID:
	<CAFS5qAssrAOWZC8dsu-e94HhZznLOFNoo0Wpkco5912wU-6MVg@mail.gmail.com>
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Amen to searchable and open to anyone. What in hell could be so top secret
that we wouldn't want the archives?

Jeff Johnston

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:14 PM, August Trometer <atrometer@gmail.com>wrote:
...
Anyone - It will help keep the value UP
-----Original Message-----
From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com
[mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of 
Keith Diehl
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 3:53 PM
To: Montgomery Boats List
Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives
In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were 
readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing 
and cancelled our searchable archives.  I never quite understood the 
concern, since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything 
old and new, but that was what was wanted.
The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the
membership:
Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives 
are readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines?
As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search 
engine page for Xmission hosted public lists;
http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html
Keith Diehl
Cottonwood Heights, UT
--
*Jeff+*
Mol?n labe!

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 15:30:38 -0500
From: Chris Smith <chris.r.smith@gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
	<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Searchable Archives
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Make the information free!

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:14 PM, August Trometer <atrometer@gmail.com>wrote:
...
Anyone - It will help keep the value UP
-----Original Message-----
From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com
[mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Keith
Diehl
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 3:53 PM
To: Montgomery Boats List
Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives
In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were
readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and
cancelled our searchable archives.  I never quite understood the concern,
since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new,
but
that was what was wanted.
The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the
membership:
Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are
readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines?
As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine
page for Xmission hosted public lists;
http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html
Keith Diehl
Cottonwood Heights, UT
-- 
Chris

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:41:26 -0700
From: Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
	<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Searchable Archives
Message-ID: <ED8EE09D-D9F0-4216-BA21-E1F2B28517B7@gte.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

I certainly vote for searchable archives.
Tom Jenkins
M17 Scintilla

On Mar 23, 2012, at 1:05 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
...
keith:
yes we need to have things searchable.  there are lots of good information
that needs to be accessible.  without that information available one looses
the 15+ years of history that is available on the list.
what needs to be remembered that anything, ANYTHING, you do on the net is
public (yes, this includes email and the www-sites you visit) and can be
found/searched/read.
:: Dave Scobie
:: Sage Marine
--- On Fri, 3/23/12, Keith Diehl <kdiehl@xmission.com> wrote:
...
In the past, some members were very
concerned that their postings were
readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public
viewing and
cancelled our searchable archives.  I never quite
understood the concern,
since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything
old and new, but
that was what was wanted.
The question of searchable archives has come up again, so
I'll ask the
membership:
Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the
archives are
readable by anyone on the internet, including search
engines?
As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker
search engine page for Xmission hosted public lists;
http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html
Keith Diehl
Cottonwood Heights, UT
------------------------------

Message: 8
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:46:52 -0700
From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com>
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Searchable Archives
Message-ID: <4F6CE13C.7050404@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

I agree. I searched the archives before joining the list before I got my 
M15. Helped with the decision.

Daniel

On 3/23/2012 1:29 PM, Jeffrey Johnston wrote:
...
Amen to searchable and open to anyone. What in hell could be so top secret
that we wouldn't want the archives?
Jeff Johnston
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:14 PM, August
Trometer<atrometer@gmail.com>wrote:
...
Anyone - It will help keep the value UP
-----Original Message-----
From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com
[mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Keith
Diehl
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 3:53 PM
To: Montgomery Boats List
Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives
In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were
readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and
cancelled our searchable archives.  I never quite understood the concern,
since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new,
but
that was what was wanted.
The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the
membership:
Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are
readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines?
As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search
engine
page for Xmission hosted public lists;
http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html
Keith Diehl
Cottonwood Heights, UT
------------------------------

Message: 9
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:37:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: GILASAILR@aol.com
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Searchable Archives
Message-ID: <b672.1216f917.3c9e5531@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Sounds like MontyLeaks to me.

I am for searchable archives - freedom of the press - free speech - women's 
 rights - and free beer.

Scooter (no way am I using my real(fake) name after reading Scoobie's  
post!) 

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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 15:58:57 -0700
From: Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
	<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint
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I agree with this sentiment.  If you have a pristine bottom (I know
where you dirty old men are going with this...), my vote is to leave
it that way.  We keep our late model jerry-built M17 in a slip at the
south end of Lake Pend Oreille for 5-6 months.  I clean the bottom in
the slip maybe once during the season (I wrote up how I do this in SCA
# 57), then clean it again in the slip just before I pull it out in
the fall (both times with green pads), that way I've just got a bit of
cleanup to do over the winter when it's snug in my shop.

I've stripped the bottom of an M17 using the method Larry recommends
in an earlier post.  That's the last time I want to do that, and I
suspect initially coating then occasionally re-coating with bottom
paint is no treat.

To each his own, as they say, but I believe letting well enough alone
except in extreme cases makes Jack a relaxed sailboat owner.  t

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
...
We got sick of supporting bottom paint on our Nor'Sea, so we have opted
out on the Montgomery. ?On the last trip to the San Juans (I think 18 days
in Puget Sound) we got a little slime, but we could rinse it off with a
cloth. ?Havasu and its week worth of quagga mussel larvae was a little more
intense, but an abrasive pad cleaned the little guys off (easy for me
because my wife did it). ?Once you put on bottom paint, I think you are
pretty much stuck with it, so think about whether you will ever be in a
fouling environment for more than a few weeks.
Tom
On Mar 23, 2012, at 7:29 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
...
rick:
i can't remember from prior posts if you keep your boat in-water for
extended periods?
if you don't keep your boat in-water for more than than about a month at
a time consider one of the hard and slick bottom coats. ?larry yake uses
this type of product on his M17, CORN DOG. ?i'm not sure the product or the
details on how it stands up to long periods in water. ?larry does keep his
boat in fresh water during the summer when he is not sailing the san juan
and northern canadian waters.
larry please share details and this time i'll save your information for
my own future boat projet as 'what you did' is what i'm going to do when i
decide to get under my M17 SWEET PEA and remove all the flaking bottom
paint.
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
:: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com
--- On Fri, 3/23/12, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
...
My boat has ablative copper bottom
paint that is over five years old, and
beginning to wear off. ?One boatyard has suggested
removing it with a
pressure washer that uses very hot water rather than
sanding. ?Does anyone
have any experience with this, or comments as to whether
it's a good idea
or not? ?Any possibility of damage to the
surface? ?Would it still have to
be sanded before painting?
Thanks,
Rick
M17 #633
Lynne L
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 19:00:01 -0400
From: Michael Murphy <mikeandpaula48@gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
	<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Searchable Archives
Message-ID:
	<CAE9+wJNz7GcGtemZ2LN19FRi4vhAUANJRECb5sqsmSRG6=OSAA@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Please keep them searchable.

On 3/23/12, Keith Diehl <kdiehl@xmission.com> wrote:
...
In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were
readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and
cancelled our searchable archives.  I never quite understood the concern,
since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new,
but
that was what was wanted.
The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the
membership:
Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are
readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines?
As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine
page for Xmission hosted public lists;
http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html
Keith Diehl
Cottonwood Heights, UT
------------------------------

Message: 12
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:15:22 -0700
From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"
	<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint
Message-ID: <F4F82BCA530247E38C1CFD41C10DB020@jerryws10>
Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type="original"

Tom, is there an y message in using "pristine bottom", dirty old men", and 
"jerry" in the same paragraph?

jerry
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" 
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint

I agree with this sentiment.  If you have a pristine bottom (I know
where you dirty old men are going with this...), my vote is to leave
it that way.  We keep our late model jerry-built M17 in a slip at the
south end of Lake Pend Oreille for 5-6 months.  I clean the bottom in
the slip maybe once during the season (I wrote up how I do this in SCA
# 57), then clean it again in the slip just before I pull it out in
the fall (both times with green pads), that way I've just got a bit of
cleanup to do over the winter when it's snug in my shop.

I've stripped the bottom of an M17 using the method Larry recommends
in an earlier post.  That's the last time I want to do that, and I
suspect initially coating then occasionally re-coating with bottom
paint is no treat.

To each his own, as they say, but I believe letting well enough alone
except in extreme cases makes Jack a relaxed sailboat owner.  t

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
...
We got sick of supporting bottom paint on our Nor'Sea, so we have opted 
out on the Montgomery. On the last trip to the San Juans (I think 18 days 
in Puget Sound) we got a little slime, but we could rinse it off with a 
cloth. Havasu and its week worth of quagga mussel larvae was a little more
...
intense, but an abrasive pad cleaned the little guys off (easy for me 
because my wife did it). Once you put on bottom paint, I think you are 
pretty much stuck with it, so think about whether you will ever be in a 
fouling environment for more than a few weeks.
Tom
On Mar 23, 2012, at 7:29 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
...
rick:
i can't remember from prior posts if you keep your boat in-water for 
extended periods?
if you don't keep your boat in-water for more than than about a month at 
a time consider one of the hard and slick bottom coats. larry yake uses 
this type of product on his M17, CORN DOG. i'm not sure the product or 
the details on how it stands up to long periods in water. larry does keep
...
...
his boat in fresh water during the summer when he is not sailing the san 
juan and northern canadian waters.
larry please share details and this time i'll save your information for 
my own future boat projet as 'what you did' is what i'm going to do when 
i decide to get under my M17 SWEET PEA and remove all the flaking bottom 
paint.
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
:: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com
--- On Fri, 3/23/12, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
...
My boat has ablative copper bottom
paint that is over five years old, and
beginning to wear off. One boatyard has suggested
removing it with a
pressure washer that uses very hot water rather than
sanding. Does anyone
have any experience with this, or comments as to whether
it's a good idea
or not? Any possibility of damage to the
surface? Would it still have to
be sanded before painting?
Thanks,
Rick
M17 #633
Lynne L
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:54:13 -0400
From: Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
	<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Searchable Archives
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Yes please. Thanks for bringing this to our attention Keith and asking.

On 3/23/12, Michael Murphy <mikeandpaula48@gmail.com> wrote:
...
Please keep them searchable.
On 3/23/12, Keith Diehl <kdiehl@xmission.com> wrote:
...
In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were
readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and
cancelled our searchable archives.  I never quite understood the concern,
since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new,
but
that was what was wanted.
The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the
membership:
Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are
readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines?
As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search
engine
page for Xmission hosted public lists;
http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html
Keith Diehl
Cottonwood Heights, UT
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 19:41:45 -0700
From: Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
	<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint
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You may draw your own conclusions big boy...  t

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 4:15 PM, jerry montgomery
<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
...
Tom, is there an y message in using "pristine bottom", dirty old men", and
"jerry" in the same paragraph?
jerry
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"
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Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom paint
I agree with this sentiment. ?If you have a pristine bottom (I know
where you dirty old men are going with this...), my vote is to leave
it that way. ?We keep our late model jerry-built M17 in a slip at the
south end of Lake Pend Oreille for 5-6 months. ?I clean the bottom in
the slip maybe once during the season (I wrote up how I do this in SCA
# 57), then clean it again in the slip just before I pull it out in
the fall (both times with green pads), that way I've just got a bit of
cleanup to do over the winter when it's snug in my shop.
I've stripped the bottom of an M17 using the method Larry recommends
in an earlier post. ?That's the last time I want to do that, and I
suspect initially coating then occasionally re-coating with bottom
paint is no treat.
To each his own, as they say, but I believe letting well enough alone
except in extreme cases makes Jack a relaxed sailboat owner. ?t
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
...
We got sick of supporting bottom paint on our Nor'Sea, so we have opted
out on the Montgomery. On the last trip to the San Juans (I think 18 days
in
...
Puget Sound) we got a little slime, but we could rinse it off with a
cloth.
Havasu and its week worth of quagga mussel larvae was a little more
intense,
but an abrasive pad cleaned the little guys off (easy for me because my
wife
did it). Once you put on bottom paint, I think you are pretty much stuck
with it, so think about whether you will ever be in a fouling environment
for more than a few weeks.
Tom
On Mar 23, 2012, at 7:29 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
...
rick:
i can't remember from prior posts if you keep your boat in-water for
extended periods?
if you don't keep your boat in-water for more than than about a month at
a time consider one of the hard and slick bottom coats. larry yake uses
this
type of product on his M17, CORN DOG. i'm not sure the product or the
details on how it stands up to long periods in water. larry does keep
his
boat in fresh water during the summer when he is not sailing the san
juan
and northern canadian waters.
larry please share details and this time i'll save your information for
my own future boat projet as 'what you did' is what i'm going to do when
i
decide to get under my M17 SWEET PEA and remove all the flaking bottom
paint.
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
:: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com
--- On Fri, 3/23/12, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
...
My boat has ablative copper bottom
paint that is over five years old, and
beginning to wear off. One boatyard has suggested
removing it with a
pressure washer that uses very hot water rather than
sanding. Does anyone
have any experience with this, or comments as to whether
it's a good idea
or not? Any possibility of damage to the
surface? Would it still have to
be sanded before painting?
Thanks,
Rick
M17 #633
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 20:31:06 -0700
From: Bill Day <bill@gotrain.org>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Searchable Archives
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Free the archives!!!

Bill Day

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
...
Yes please. Thanks for bringing this to our attention Keith and asking.
On 3/23/12, Michael Murphy <mikeandpaula48@gmail.com> wrote:
...
Please keep them searchable.
On 3/23/12, Keith Diehl <kdiehl@xmission.com> wrote:
...
In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were
readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and
cancelled our searchable archives.  I never quite understood the
concern,
since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new,
but
that was what was wanted.
The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the
membership:
Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are
readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines?
As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search
engine
page for Xmission hosted public lists;
http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html
Keith Diehl
Cottonwood Heights, UT
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:04:31 -0700
From: Ed <whitehead361@gmail.com>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"
	<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Searchable Archives
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When I was first thinking about buying a small boat, I searched the 
internet.  And, based on the discussions, experiences, questions, and 
photos, I eventually settled on a Montgomery 17.  I think you provide 
information for possible new Monty owners by having all the information 
available to those who need it.   ;-)    - Ed

-----Original Message----- 
From: Bill Day
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 8:31 PM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Searchable Archives

Free the archives!!!

Bill Day

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
...
Yes please. Thanks for bringing this to our attention Keith and asking.
On 3/23/12, Michael Murphy <mikeandpaula48@gmail.com> wrote:
...
Please keep them searchable.
On 3/23/12, Keith Diehl <kdiehl@xmission.com> wrote:
...
In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were
readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and
cancelled our searchable archives.  I never quite understood the
concern,
since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new,
but
that was what was wanted.
The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the
membership:
Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are
readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines?
As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search
engine
page for Xmission hosted public lists;
http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html
Keith Diehl
Cottonwood Heights, UT
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 17:43:12 -0500
From: Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff@gmail.com>
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
Subject: M_Boats: Fenders
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OK, for fear of sounding pretty dumb, I dared not ask until now:
As a new M15 owner, a boat without lifelines, how are folks hanging fenders?

I can hang one vertical from my single slot teak handhold. Maybe one from
the sidestay. But, those two would be quite close together.

Then what??

OK, go ahead and make fun of me it you want. :)

Padre Jeff

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